DigiTimes: iPhone 13 Pro Models to Feature 120Hz ProMotion Refresh Rate and 15-20% Less Power Consumption

[Abstract]

Having a iteration that focused on battery over camera would be appreciated

15-20% power reduction while adding 120Hz screen! That’s going to be very nice. My 12 Pro Max already has more battery than I use in a day.

@samifathi
manufactured for all the iPhone 13 lineup -to improve battery life- and only the Pro models will have the Pro-motion display feature? Or the regular iPhone 13 won’t have LTPO displays? Then, the power consumption benefits will be only for the Pro models...

It sounds like only the Pro models will get the LTPO displays. However, it also sounds like the regular 13 and 13 Minis will get the battery life increase from CPU efficiencies (all else being equal), as they’ll still be using the current displays.

Pro models won’t see as much of a bump in battery life 15% in battery life due to the new LTPO’s 120Hz refresh rate. They’ll probably still see an increase in battery life due to adaptive refresh rates, but not by as much as the non-Pro models. 👍

 

[DeepIn2U]

That’s awesome that it’s going to be 15-20% more energy efficient!

My iPhone 12 Pro already has outstanding battery life- the fact that Apple can improve it THAT much in the iPhone 13 is huge!

Imagine what it would do the 1: mini battery life? Considering all the backlash and laughing of such on the 12 mini which I’ve never felt nor experienced the need for improved battery life. Can’t wait for my MagSafe compatible battery SnapBack.

Should make a decent difference. The screen on the S21 Ultra is simply stunning at 120/3200x1440, and also has bonkers battery life.

That 120Hz thing is weird. You'd think it was pointless but once you're used to it going back to a 60Hz screen feels horribly clunky.

Well we already have a display to touch refresh rate of 120hz so for just the visuals we’d probably not notice much at all. Games maybe. Social media and regular video apps not likely

 

[The Game 161]

How is that?
Others also have top end models (different names (ultra/Pro etc)which have more features and parts than iPhone Pro..example S21 Ultra has more cameras,under display fingerprint sensor,in addition to all that Apple Pro series offers..so what parts of iPhone Pro range are you talking about exactly?

The amount they would need to source to get them to production. The same reason why 120hz didn’t come last year. People never seem to factor this into stuff like this.

the units the ultra will sell is nothing compared to the amount of units the pro line would sell.

the parts for periscope is tough as apple needed to find a partner as Samsung hold the rights to some of the tech so they would need to likely source from Samsung which is hard to be able to order what is required and why we may be waiting 2 years for pericope zoom

in terms of features apple do take their time in bringing features on android just the way it is as they know people on iOS will wait for these features.

I’m sure many are tempted by android but many will wait due to preferring iOS

 

[The Game 161]

You should tell that to the LED iPads which have 120hz and no LTPO.

LCD is different to oled. It’s far harder to get 120hz to work well on oled without battery life being affected. So comparing lcd on the iPad to oled is a lot different

 

[DJJAZZYJET]

I love my 12 Pro Max, but if the 13 has a 120Hz display I'm sold. Its the only feature I wish was on the 12.

 

[DarthDon]

"15-20% Less Power Consumption"​

With no notch i t will be 35-40% 😂😂😂

 

[SactoGuy18]

I personally think Apple will go to a new battery design on the 2021 iPhones, which will have more storage capacity than the current models. The result: circa 15% longer battery life per charge.

 

[MacRS4]

My 12 pro works great without USB-C and with the notch. I suspect millions of other customers think the same way.

Would have worked with the wide connector and a home button too

 

[MacRS4]

Well we already have a display to touch refresh rate of 120hz so for just the visuals we’d probably not notice much at all. Games maybe. Social media and regular video apps not likely

I ... think you'll be surprised. Going between my personal S21 Ultra on 120/3200x1440 and my work '12 Pro is very noticeable. There's nothing wrong with the '12 display at all, it's just not anything like as good looking as the S21U.

 

[ColdShadow]

the units the ultra will sell is nothing compared to the amount of units the pro line would sell.

I don't think this is correct.
do you have a source?
I'm talking about the iPhone Pro line not all iPhones range together,I think the Samsung flagships (Ultra) sell very well, definitely not "nothing" compared to "iPhone Pro" range.
it seems most everyday people on iOS actually go for mid range iPhone 12/11 vs Pro..
but there are MANY Samsung Ultra owners,not saying there are more than iPhone Pro,cause I don't have the sale numbers but I think the numbers are much closer than you think.

I don't think Apple's hesitation/slow approach in implementing newer tech/more features has anything to do with chip shortage but it's their business model,they just don't add new features unless really under pressure.(super late adaptation of large screens,OLED,widgets etc) they know their products sell,so are a little "stingy" about adding new features.
Samsung on the other hand,brings everything,and always tries to be the first to adapt new tech.same as some other android manufacturers.

 

[The Game 161]

I don't think this is correct.
do you have a source?
I'm talking about the iPhone Pro line not all iPhones range together,I think the Samsung flagships (Ultra) sell very well, definitely not "nothing" compared to "iPhone Pro" range.
it seems most everyday people on iOS actually go for mid range iPhone 12/11 vs Pro..
but there are MANY Samsung Ultra owners,not saying there are more than iPhone Pro,cause I don't have the sale numbers but I think the numbers are much closer than you think.

I don't think Apple's hesitation/slow approach in implementing newer tech/more features has anything to do with chip shortage but it's their business model,they just don't add new features unless really under pressure.(super late adaptation of large screens,OLED,widgets etc) they know their products sell,so are a little "stingy" about adding new features.
Samsung on the other hand,brings everything,and always tries to be the first to adapt new tech.same as some other android manufacturers.

There are zero reports to suggest the ultra is selling in anywhere near the amount the pro line are selling. The 12 pro Max sold about 17 million units alone in the last quarter of 2020.I believe the ultra has sold about 26 million units and samsung were only expected to sell 35 million.

you only have to look at the sales from January. the iPhone 12 was first followed by the 12 pro and 12 pro max.

no and android flagship is ever ranked in the top 10 in phone sales. they simply do not sell that well in comparison to iPhone sales.

samsung brings alot of features first and some are great and some are not. They aren't too fussed about what isn't working as well they just want it there available to the public. Apple are slower and as frustrating as it is they know they can take more time to refine how they want it to look. just the way it is. Luckily if people want those features straight away then android is a great option for those people. clearly not that many are too bothered about this as if they were the top end android flagships would sell more than they do.

 

[ColdShadow]

There are zero reports to suggest the ultra is selling in anywhere near the amount the pro line are selling. The 12 pro Max sold about 17 million units alone in the last quarter of 2020.I believe the ultra has sold about 26 million units and samsung were only expected to sell 35 million.

you only have to look at the sales from January. the iPhone 12 was first followed by the 12 pro and 12 pro max.

no and android flagship is ever ranked in the top 10 in phone sales. they simply do not sell that well in comparison to iPhone sales.

samsung brings alot of features first and some are great and some are not. They aren't too fussed about what isn't working as well they just want it there available to the public. Apple are slower and as frustrating as it is they know they can take more time to refine how they want it to look. just the way it is. Luckily if people want those features straight away then android is a great option for those people. clearly not that many are too bothered about this as if they were the top end android flagships would sell more than they do.

Again I’m not talking about the whole iPhone sale numbers,just the Pro,and since there are no official sale figures from both to compare ,it’s wrong to make such assumptions.
what I do say is ,judging how many of each you see in public,in discussion forums,etc the number of Ultra devices (S20 Ultra,Note 20 Ultra,S21 Ultra) is not that much less than competing iPhone Pro / Pro Max ,specially if you consider worldwide numbers and not just the US.

 

[The Game 161]

Again I’m not talking about the whole iPhone sale numbers,just the Pro,and since there are no official sale figures from both to compare ,it’s wrong to make such assumptions.
what I do say is ,judging how many of each you see in public,in discussion forums,etc the number of Ultra devices (S20 Ultra,Note 20 Ultra,S21 Ultra) is not that much less than competing iPhone Pro / Pro Max ,specially if you consider worldwide numbers and not just the US.

I’m talking about just the pro models. The pro max sold 17 million units in last Q of 2020 and through January sold the 3rd most units out of any phone. Apple will likely sell 50-60 million just from the pro max line.

Samsung’s expection for ultra was only set at 35 million. There may not be official numbers but numbers have come out via supply chain.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

LCD is different to oled. It’s far harder to get 120hz to work well on oled without battery life being affected. So comparing lcd on the iPad to oled is a lot different

That wasn't really the point. The point was that LTPO is not required for ProMotion in any way.

 

[The Game 161]

That wasn't really the point. The point was that LTPO is not required for ProMotion in any way.

It is as battery life will not be good enough without it

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

It is as battery life will not be good enough without it

You could say that about any feature.

Accept the hard fact, LTPO has nothing to do with ProMotion.

 

[The Game 161]

You could say that about any feature.

Accept the hard fact, LTPO has nothing to do with ProMotion.

Accept the fact when it’s wrong? Apple won’t add 120hz without LTPO on their model phones due to battery life. I fail to see why this is hard to understand

LTPO is needed for 120hz

 

[Woodcrest64]

If they make it more efficient I hope they do not make the battery smaller. Finger crossed.

 

[hatchettjack]

an 8" 13 pro max would be my dream phone!

 

[UBS28]

So the iPhone 13 will be what the iPhone 12 should have been basically at the bare minimum. However to fully justify it's flagship status price, it should also have an under the screen finger print sensor.

Apple caught sleeping with COVID, because Android phones had this feature for ages already. And now it is an essential feature with COVID.

 

[ColdShadow]

I’m talking about just the pro models. The pro max sold 17 million units in last Q of 2020 and through January sold the 3rd most units out of any phone. Apple will likely sell 50-60 million just from the pro max line.

Samsung’s expection for ultra was only set at 35 million. There may not be official numbers but numbers have come out via supply chain.

Even if this sale figures are correct,the Ultra sale numbers definitely are not “nothing” as you previously said.

 

[The Game 161]

Even if this sale figures are correct,the Ultra sale numbers definitely are not “nothing” as you previously said.

They aren’t bad in terms of sales in the android world but compared to the pro line yes it is nothing. The pro line will sell likely double if Not treble the sales of the ultra.