Digitimes - Three Nehalem Quad Cores Launch in Q4 2008

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by CWallace, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. CWallace macrumors 603

    CWallace

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2007
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    #1
    http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080624PD208.html

    All three speeds sound perfect for the Mac Pro. And while these Bloomfields are meant for single CPU configs (the equivalent of Core2 Quads), Gainestown is meant for dual CPU configs (the equivalent of the Xeon 5400 series) and will launch at similar speeds and is expected to launch at roughly the same time. So I have fingers crossed we'll see them in a new line of Mac Pros announced at MacWorld 2009. :cool:
     
  2. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2006
    Location:
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    #2
    They don't use FB-DIMMs. The ones with FB-DIMMs are coming out Q4 '09, meaning a Nehalem Mac Pro at MacWorld 2010.
     
  3. CWallace thread starter macrumors 603

    CWallace

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2007
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    #3
    Tylersburg/Foxhollow, which is the dual-socket workstation chipset that uses the Gainestown Xeon CPUs is supposed to launch in Q4. So perhaps Apple will abandon FB-DIMM for the Mac Pro and not wait for FB-DIMM2 to arrive with Beckton in Q2 2009? Or just drop the Xeon and use the Bloomfields, which Intel is aiming for very high-end desktop uses anyway.

    If Apple is really planning to wait till 2010, that makes my decision easy and I can just buy a Mac Pro now and use it for 18 months.
     
  4. kabunaru Guest

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    #4
    Does Apple really have to use FB-DIMMs for the next Mac Pros?
     
  5. Firefly2002 macrumors 65816

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    #5
    Erm, not if they make a dual-socket Xeon motherboard that uses regular DDR2 or DDR3, which is what they'll probably do, since FBDIMMs hinder performance, cost more, and Apple's had some time now with Intel to get things underway.

    They're not going to wait until 2010 to introduce a new line of computers. People went nuts when the G4 stagnated at 500 MHz for seven months. You think they're going to wait a full two for a new Pro?
     
  6. macintosh tech macrumors member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    #6
    You mean like the last Mac Pro? No, they wouldn't do that... Wait...
     
  7. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2006
    Location:
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    #7
    Yes. 518 days will be nothing to what's coming up.
     
  8. kabunaru Guest

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2008
    #8
    Then it would be boring 518 days. Yawn... :(
     
  9. m1stake macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    Location:
    Philly
    #9
    You know why the original Mac Pro didn't get updated for so long? There was nothing to upgrade to. They could have went to faster FSB speeds, but they didn't tack on any GHz, and had a very small performance boost.

    Apple is not going to do that again with the biggest Intel speed bump since July 2006. Does it make business sense to stick with a chip when everyone else has the new one? No.

    Also, the Mac Pro's use FB-DIMMs, but historically they're the minority. The G5s, and G4s all use "standard" memory.
     
  10. rockinrocker macrumors 65816

    rockinrocker

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    #10
    i can't follow all this business about road maps for different parts 'n whatnot, but doesn't it seem pretty likely that the next revision will still have FBDIMMS and xeons? it seems like they'll probably stick to the workstation w/ server grad components for a while at least, being as that's kind of the niche they've carved out for the MP.
     
  11. CWallace thread starter macrumors 603

    CWallace

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2007
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    #11
    The Mac Pro used FB-DIMMS because that is what Intel's current workstation chipsets used so Apple didn't have any choice.

    For Nehalem, Intel is moving away from FB-DIMM. They will offer one chipset that supports it - Beckton - which is aimed for the server market, not workstation, with an EIS of Q2 2009. This chipset will also be four-way so it would be four CPUs, which is a bit overkill for a Mac Pro - it would be a sixteen-core monster that would run into five figures.

    For workstations, Intel is using DDR3 in either dual-channel or tri-channel configurations. And those chipsets are aimed for later this year in two-way CPU configurations (eight cores) using the Gainestown CPU.
     
  12. Tracer macrumors 6502

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2007
    #12
    Since DDR3 uses lower voltage, don't be surprised if you see 12 DIMM slots for DDR3 memory in the Gainestown Mac Pro.

    Tracer
     
  13. indiochano macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    #13
    now THAT would be insanely great
     
  14. macintosh tech macrumors member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    #14
    Wow, sounds like you are describing the first Mac Pro perfectly.

    There was nothing to upgrade to? Clovertown, in fact they added a Clovertown at the top end. They could have gone all quad-core months before the update. That would have been significant enough at the time, along with bumping to 2GB, bigger HD, etc.

    Apple is going to do what Apple is going to do. The Mac Pro line has been shown to be the least important in the lineup. They will wait if they want to, and chances are they will. Did it make business sense for Apple to wait 500+ days to update the original Mac Pro when there were new things to put in? They stuck with the old chips when Dell and the others were selling Clovertown boxes.

    On the memory stuff, who gives a rats ass. Wait and see what they do. This discussion happened before the last update and we ended up with FB-DIMMs. Not to say that will be the case this time, but arguing about it in the meantime is pointless. We don't know when it is coming. We will never know when it is coming. So lets all hang out until they release it, then discuss.
     
  15. southerndoc macrumors 65816

    southerndoc

    Joined:
    May 15, 2006
    Location:
    USA
    #15
    They seem to be waiting until 2010 to release the new ACD's, so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple waits a while before releasing new PowerMacs. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2006
    Location:
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    #16
    Pretty much, but it's the Mac Mini that is being left to die. The stock will run out and then they'll discontinue it.

    Hear, hear! Except... this isn't MacHangoutuntilitsreleasedandthendiscussit. :p
     
  17. macintosh tech macrumors member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    #17
    While I agree, this also isn't Maceveryonemakeuprumorsandthengetintofightsaboutitontheforum either. Until some concrete information comes from a real source what the hell is the point. Those with Mac Pros will whine and try to dirty the waters with negative vibes while those waiting will defend and define what the specs will be and state them as fact. They will also tell you exactly when it is coming out...

    Anyhow. There is no point to these discussions, while those who are speculating the specs may be right, it just gets out of hand. I watched the previous update threads and most did not end well.
     
  18. bigwig macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2005
    #18
    Why all the hate for FB-DIMMS? Is data integrity not important to you? The more memory you have the more important ECC becomes, and Mac Pros support a lot of memory. Mean time between uncorrected bit errors is a matter of a few days on larger memory configurations, less than the average uptime of the machine.
     
  19. m1stake macrumors 68000

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2008
    Location:
    Philly
  20. CWallace thread starter macrumors 603

    CWallace

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2007
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    #20
    I would have to believe that Nehalem-DP will support ECC DDR3.
     
  21. Umbongo macrumors 601

    Umbongo

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Location:
    England
    #21
    It does and Mac Pros will surely have 12 DIMM slots for such memory.

    Though it will probably still be in 2GB and 4GB flavours for some time due to the mess the market is in.
     
  22. Eidorian macrumors Penryn

    Eidorian

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2005
    Location:
    Indianapolis
    #22
    I was about to say the same thing. It'll be a nice move away from FB-DIMMs.
     
  23. Bubba Satori Suspended

    Bubba Satori

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2008
    Location:
    B'ham
    #23
    2010 is absurd. People won't wait that long when every other PC vendor will have nice new Nehalem workstations in 1/9. Jeebus, service pack 2 for Vista will be out by then. :D Sorry, but the koolaid just ain't that strong.
    :rolleyes:
     
  24. OMFG HAXX! macrumors member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2008
    #24
    ICH10 is already out ;)
     
  25. hugodrax macrumors 6502a

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    #25
    When is Sandy Bridge coming out? I want to upgrade my Mac Pro to the Sandy Bridge edition with the supervector power.
     

Share This Page