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paieye

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I use Notes very extensively, most recently yesterday. Today, I find that all of my notes for this year 2023 have vanished. Why would that happen, and how can I get them back ? By the way, I can find no Recently Deleted folder.
 

HDFan

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1. What device(s), OS versions are you using?

2. Are you synching notes via iCloud? If so do the notes show up in iCloud web?
 

paieye

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1. What device(s), OS versions are you using?

2. Are you synching notes via iCloud? If so do the notes show up in iCloud web?
Thank you for coming to my aid.

1. This MacBook Air, running OSX 12.6.6, and an iPhone 12, running iOS 16.5.
2. iCloud Sync is on. Both devices show the same old entries in Notes, but all of my 2023 entries have vanished.
 

gilby101

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The complexity of restoring Notes from backup is the main reason I have given up using Apple Notes for anything important. It is fine for ephemeral notes (shopping lists, short term todos, etc.). I much prefer to have my long term 'notes' as files which are simple to recover from backups. Synchronisation between devices can be via iCloud, some other cloud sync (e.g. Dropbox), or non-cloud sync method (e.g. Resilio Sync).
 

paieye

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After an hour on. the telephone with Apple support this afternoon, the result, if I have understood it correctly is that:
1. No-one can discover what has happened to the vanished Notes.
2. Back-up of Notes on my devices is now to be via GMail, not via iCloud.
Thank you all for coming to my aid.
 

circatee

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Hmm, this is rather worrying. I have all my Notes in Apple Notes. And, Apple Notes offer no way to export to another application.

Albeit, I have not noticed any Notes disappearing. Time to monitor Apple Notes more closely...
 

chown33

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Hmm, this is rather worrying. I have all my Notes in Apple Notes. And, Apple Notes offer no way to export to another application.

Notes can be exported as PDF files.

Notes can also be sent as email. E.g. you can send it to yourself then export from Mail.app to other formats.
 
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paieye

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Can perhaps any of the rivals to Notes, such as SimpleNote, be exported to Notes ?
 

NoBoMac

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Notes can also be sent as email. E.g. you can send it to yourself then export from Mail.app to other formats.

And with Shortcuts app, can export in pretty much any format (text, zip of all the Notes, previously mentioned PDF, etc).

Only downside is encrypted Notes or ones with attachments cannot be exported as text (have not tried other formats, so assuming same problem with others other than PDF).

That said, have not had Notes disappear on me. Anything lost has always been pilot error.
 

Tagbert

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Hmm, this is rather worrying. I have all my Notes in Apple Notes. And, Apple Notes offer no way to export to another application.

Albeit, I have not noticed any Notes disappearing. Time to monitor Apple Notes more closely...
I have used Exporter.app to export my Notes

I supports both html and markdown formats for export.
 
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paieye

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I have found a way around the disappearing Notes. I have used TextEdit to create a file called Important, which I have added to the Dock. I now use that file as I formerly used Notes. But confident, or at least hopeful, that it will not extinguishedsh itself as Notes did. The file is already filling up nicely.
 

Astrohunter

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The complexity of restoring Notes from backup is the main reason I have given up using Apple Notes for anything important. It is fine for ephemeral notes (shopping lists, short term todos, etc.). I much prefer to have my long term 'notes' as files which are simple to recover from backups. Synchronisation between devices can be via iCloud, some other cloud sync (e.g. Dropbox), or non-cloud sync method (e.g. Resilio Sync).
It's very simple to restore if you have TimeMachine, which you should have.
 
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