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It's no surprise that this article is bashing Apple, since the article came from pcmag. I bet this guy gets paid to immitate the "Dude, you're getting a Dell" moron on TV. And now he gets paid to pry bull!!!! out of his ash, post it on pee (type) C Magazine, and make it smell half baked and half old.
Come on, OS X is just an update? I think that from OS 9 from OS X was the wisest move I have ever done, since OS 9 gave me way too many errors. And it's a damned shame that I still have to use Classic.
Besides, OS X is more than UNIX based. OS X started in (I think December of) 1996, completely rewritten from the center of the earth, back to sea level. With Jaguar around the corner, Apple has most likely hit Denver, the Mile-High City. And I don't think it's going to end there. OS X will continue to get revolutionary.
I try and think of OS X this way: It's really a beta for the perfect OS Apple may have in mind. OS 9 was not even close. OS X has vastly improved, with stability and interface changes. And, I'll admit, it's not perfect, maybe not close to perfect, but at least it is better and cleaner looking than the **** this guy pulls out of his arse and posts.
Come on, OS X is just an update? I think that from OS 9 from OS X was the wisest move I have ever done, since OS 9 gave me way too many errors. And it's a damned shame that I still have to use Classic.
Besides, OS X is more than UNIX based. OS X started in (I think December of) 1996, completely rewritten from the center of the earth, back to sea level. With Jaguar around the corner, Apple has most likely hit Denver, the Mile-High City. And I don't think it's going to end there. OS X will continue to get revolutionary.
I try and think of OS X this way: It's really a beta for the perfect OS Apple may have in mind. OS 9 was not even close. OS X has vastly improved, with stability and interface changes. And, I'll admit, it's not perfect, maybe not close to perfect, but at least it is better and cleaner looking than the **** this guy pulls out of his arse and posts.
As much as I love OSX (I argue its merits fervently whenever I can, and use it exclusively), I do have to argue with your calling it 'revolutionary'.
It is 'evolutionary' development at its best. It is BSD based, with Aqua being the best window manager EVER. It is like Linux, in that it is a GUI on top of UNIX, albeit well done, and easy to use. There's some NeXT in there, and some Apple too...
I am not agreeing with Dvorak here, but moving to file extensions, and a command line (both things which make my life alot easier) is assimilating to some degree. To be a 'revolutionary' step forward, OSX would be so simple you could obtain a file from anywhere, and the FS would journal it, and Macify it, yet so robust, that you could do anything we do with a UNIX based OSX. Instead of being the best execution of the best ideas of other OSes, it would be execution of new and unheard of ideas.
'Revolutionary' would have been something entirely new. It would have redefined computing, instead of setting a standard. It would have been shockingly different, and would have had a much slower adoption curve. It would have been the GUI all over again. And it just may have killed Apple...
Mac OSX, when you get down to it, is an incredible Window Manager, on a solid core, very well executed, but hardly 'revolutionary'.
Anyway, that's too much typing over one little 'r'.
osx inovative?
OSX is nice, it's the colmination of several pieces that had already been in use. The unix backbone is BSD which has been around for ever, most of the interface ideas like the dock came from neXt and many Many MANY of the interface ideas are straight ports from os9, such as windows menus desktop. These are all concepts that have been in use for several years and just because they have a new look to them doesn't mean that they're completely new.
I really dig osx and use it every day but there's nothing supernatural about it. Apple simply took concepts and even code that had been around for years and put it together. Sound familiear, circa 1984 Xerox. I'm not saying apple's steeling anything that's m$'s job but you need to look at things from more then just the surface.
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OSX is nice, it's the colmination of several pieces that had already been in use. The unix backbone is BSD which has been around for ever, most of the interface ideas like the dock came from neXt and many Many MANY of the interface ideas are straight ports from os9, such as windows menus desktop. These are all concepts that have been in use for several years and just because they have a new look to them doesn't mean that they're completely new.
I really dig osx and use it every day but there's nothing supernatural about it. Apple simply took concepts and even code that had been around for years and put it together. Sound familiear, circa 1984 Xerox. I'm not saying apple's steeling anything that's m$'s job but you need to look at things from more then just the surface.
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if apple can come out with a new supermachine and call it something else...i am all for it if it is as revolutionary as the original mac was in its day
what would apple call the new generation of machines?
mac is easy and the word is synonymous with apple
if apple dropped the mac moniker, it would take time for people to catch on unless it was something...as amazing as the machine they put out in '84 like i mentioned
a G5 would not be anything more than a mac with a G5 processor...give it some super fast, yet unkown RAM, a super fast hard drive, a super fast bus, and make this thing undercut any pc on the market in its class pricewise...then i say apple has something "more than just a mac"
when apple came out with the apple I and apple II, an older computer student of mine had a personal computer that cost him only $14,000 usd at the time which he thought was a bargain...the apple II blew it out of the water price-wise and he seems to have been bitter ever since
sure his machine was faster and could do more than apple I and apple II, but he gave up a year's salary to get his personal mini-mainframe computer which was the size of a small fridge
other similar computers just a few years earlier were the size of rooms and worth hundreds of thousands to his 14 grand machine was still truly a good deal at that time in the mid-70s
what would apple call the new generation of machines?
mac is easy and the word is synonymous with apple
if apple dropped the mac moniker, it would take time for people to catch on unless it was something...as amazing as the machine they put out in '84 like i mentioned
a G5 would not be anything more than a mac with a G5 processor...give it some super fast, yet unkown RAM, a super fast hard drive, a super fast bus, and make this thing undercut any pc on the market in its class pricewise...then i say apple has something "more than just a mac"
when apple came out with the apple I and apple II, an older computer student of mine had a personal computer that cost him only $14,000 usd at the time which he thought was a bargain...the apple II blew it out of the water price-wise and he seems to have been bitter ever since
sure his machine was faster and could do more than apple I and apple II, but he gave up a year's salary to get his personal mini-mainframe computer which was the size of a small fridge
other similar computers just a few years earlier were the size of rooms and worth hundreds of thousands to his 14 grand machine was still truly a good deal at that time in the mid-70s
Re: John C
I have to disagree that Silicon Spin is the best show on TechTV.
The Screensavers wins that honor hands down. Much more helpful, insightful and less argumentative posturing. If I wanted to watch a debate I would turn on Hardball with Chris Matthews to get my fix of an overbearing blowhard who only hears what he wants and is closed-minded as hell.
I have to disagree that Silicon Spin is the best show on TechTV.
The Screensavers wins that honor hands down. Much more helpful, insightful and less argumentative posturing. If I wanted to watch a debate I would turn on Hardball with Chris Matthews to get my fix of an overbearing blowhard who only hears what he wants and is closed-minded as hell.
aww...give him a break
Give the old bastard a little slack guys. Hes obviously just feeling inferior in intelligence compared to a G4. Personally, I could care less what someone says. Apples managed to stay around for as long, or longer, than most computer companies out there. Plus, Im perfectly happy on my Mac. I find those that seem to complain about macs tend to be windows users themselves. Sounds likes hes got some kind of small mans disease. I think we should all send him get better cards offering him our help in this time of his egotistical retardedness. Somehow, when thinking of what he (a windoze zealot) said about macs...the words "mind your own biznass" come to mind....
Give the old bastard a little slack guys. Hes obviously just feeling inferior in intelligence compared to a G4. Personally, I could care less what someone says. Apples managed to stay around for as long, or longer, than most computer companies out there. Plus, Im perfectly happy on my Mac. I find those that seem to complain about macs tend to be windows users themselves. Sounds likes hes got some kind of small mans disease. I think we should all send him get better cards offering him our help in this time of his egotistical retardedness. Somehow, when thinking of what he (a windoze zealot) said about macs...the words "mind your own biznass" come to mind....
osX is revolutionary for Mac users because it adds something we haven't had before: a command line interface.
So...
I'll agree that osX isn't revolutionary if Dvorak would agree that compared to text-based arrows and scrollbars and etc, introduced in DOS 4, that Windows XP is just more of the same boring dull-witted evolutionary programming.
So...
I'll agree that osX isn't revolutionary if Dvorak would agree that compared to text-based arrows and scrollbars and etc, introduced in DOS 4, that Windows XP is just more of the same boring dull-witted evolutionary programming.
I remember the first time I used a mac, I though "where's the prompt?"
I would say that John C has on of the least tainted views in the industry. If you've watched his show or read some of his other articles you'd notice that he is in no way biast towards microsoft. In fact he rips on it more then most people.
I hate how I'm the only one defending this guy and his views. I'm interested to know why everyone is taking this so personally, heaven forbid someone say something about your precious macintosh that isn't completely flatoring.
I find myself defending my tibook all the time, and I've just decided to give up. Unfortunately simply by owning a mac I'm automatically placed in the mac camp. Before I got my Tibook I was running linux on a Gateway. I liked being in the linux camp because there was so much learning and expanding going on. The point of the linux camp seemed to be growing as a computer user and programmer.
On the other hand the mac camp seems to be simply a place for people who hate microsoft. Nothing can be said without someone comparing apples and windows. Frankly it's rediculous. I in no way endorse microsoft nor do I like the company but bitching about how much they suck and how much better your propriatary hardware and software are isn't going to do a thing.
oh by the way, I have the day off, which is why I've posted like 20 times to this thread.
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I would say that John C has on of the least tainted views in the industry. If you've watched his show or read some of his other articles you'd notice that he is in no way biast towards microsoft. In fact he rips on it more then most people.
I hate how I'm the only one defending this guy and his views. I'm interested to know why everyone is taking this so personally, heaven forbid someone say something about your precious macintosh that isn't completely flatoring.
I find myself defending my tibook all the time, and I've just decided to give up. Unfortunately simply by owning a mac I'm automatically placed in the mac camp. Before I got my Tibook I was running linux on a Gateway. I liked being in the linux camp because there was so much learning and expanding going on. The point of the linux camp seemed to be growing as a computer user and programmer.
On the other hand the mac camp seems to be simply a place for people who hate microsoft. Nothing can be said without someone comparing apples and windows. Frankly it's rediculous. I in no way endorse microsoft nor do I like the company but bitching about how much they suck and how much better your propriatary hardware and software are isn't going to do a thing.
oh by the way, I have the day off, which is why I've posted like 20 times to this thread.
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According to my count, you posted only three times...want to try 4?
Typical newbies.
But I will respond to your comment just before the one I quoted. Although many people complain about m$ I don't think we have to worry to much about it for a while; we'll let the courts decide.
Ummm, I don't see that as revolutionary.
Would it be revolutionary if we got a parallel port?
Revolutionary would be having the power of the command line, without the archaic commands.
Revolutionary would be natural english scripting:
Imagine typing (or speaking) "find all mp3 files, and put them in a folder named after the album. put that folder in a folder named after the artist. Rename each mp3 file "track number period space song name.mp3"
This is something a UNIX user could do via the command line, but I guarantee you that that sort of power is wasted on 99.9% of end users.
I'm not bagging OSX here, but it isn't revolutionary, it is evolutionary. There are few things Mac OSX can do that aren't possible in either UNIX/Classic/Linux or Windows.
the real deal
You have got to look at the psychology of this males ego!
Firstly This guy is one of those men that loves to fix problems.
They need the delusion of control to make them feel strong.
You see these guys arent creative people, they are the people that don't listen without offering a useless solution.
They love to fix their computers!
They love to constantly tweak them and needlessly upgrade them.
They never actually do anything with them except type or surf for porn.
If their Pc doesnt boot in the morning its heaven cause they have another war story to tell at work!
Its a whole different mindset, and its so obvious.
They couldnt own a mac cause then they would be at a loss.
You have got to look at the psychology of this males ego!
Firstly This guy is one of those men that loves to fix problems.
They need the delusion of control to make them feel strong.
You see these guys arent creative people, they are the people that don't listen without offering a useless solution.
They love to fix their computers!
They love to constantly tweak them and needlessly upgrade them.
They never actually do anything with them except type or surf for porn.
If their Pc doesnt boot in the morning its heaven cause they have another war story to tell at work!
Its a whole different mindset, and its so obvious.
They couldnt own a mac cause then they would be at a loss.
What's his problem?
Why does this guy ring to me to be an incompetent jerk?
I left a lengthy soundoff for all to see on the discussions there.
I don't like people like him.
Why does this guy ring to me to be an incompetent jerk?
I left a lengthy soundoff for all to see on the discussions there.
I don't like people like him.
I am in no way agreeing with this guy, but what I think the gist is that, Mac was started as a little branch off Apple, right? SO why not start, like, ummm...granny smith...? Heh heh, I think it's like this analogy...if he had said this in a car magazine but said, "BMW should discontinue to 3-series because it's 'like an old dog, etc etc.'" this man WOULD be dead...but because we are just a few weak-wristed computer geeks he thinks we can't do anything
One last thing actually...if anyone can answer this, I think all racial profiling and wars would be stopped...why the hell do people care so damned much? I really don't get it, it's a god-damned piece of pastic and metal with some electricity flowing through it, so why the hell does everyone like to bash it so much? I suppose this goes for any majority vs. minority argument, sad really...
One last thing actually...if anyone can answer this, I think all racial profiling and wars would be stopped...why the hell do people care so damned much? I really don't get it, it's a god-damned piece of pastic and metal with some electricity flowing through it, so why the hell does everyone like to bash it so much? I suppose this goes for any majority vs. minority argument, sad really...