Discrete GPU failure rate in Retina-generation

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  1. Ovedius macrumors 6502

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    Hold on to your potatoes, if you don't like stream of consciousness/brain fart posts, I suggest you move on (I've underlined the actual questions, for you convenience) :p


    The recent troubles with the fresh 2016 15" Pro's dGPU has peaked my interest in failure rates in the Retina Pro generation.

    Specifically in the chances that your 2012, -13, -14 or -15 Pro with a dGPU is going to bite the dust.

    I've read the odd comment here on the forums about dGPUs failing after some years.
    Something about faulty connectors and shoddy soldering.

    But do we have any specific numbers?

    Anecdotal evidence. Have many of you fine gents and ladies encountered dGPU failures?

    What are the most common causes for dGPU failures?

    Presuming that you want a computer that will last you at least 5 years (like my dearly beloved's 13" 2009 Pro, going on year 7 now), is it much of a gamble getting a Pro with a dGPU?
    -Is it considerably safer getting an iGPU than a dGPU?

    Also, and I know we can't really tell at this point since the switch back to AMD is quite recent, how do you think the AMD GPUs stack up against Nvidia GPUs?
    -is it safer getting a 2014 15" Pro with a GT 750M than a 2015 with the R9 M370X?
     
  2. Clint_Barton macrumors 6502

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    Interestingly there are reports of graphical glitches on the 13in 2016s meaning that it is not a problem with the dGPU in the 15in
     
  3. jerryk macrumors 68030

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    I have never heard of a 2015 with a M370 outright failing. But, I have heard about minor glitches, heat generation, and fan noise.

    I have one, and there are times when working with 4K that the fan does spin up and get pretty loud.
     
  4. Brookzy macrumors 601

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    In terms of your 'specific numbers' question - the repair programme covering MacBook Pros sold between 2011 and 2013 (thus covering four generations of product!) cited "a small percentage of MacBook Pro systems".

    Considering that Apple tends to play down these things, "a small percentage" to me sounds like a huge number.
     
  5. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 68040

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    There were more Nvidia failures. The 8600M fail affected the whole industry.
     
  6. jackoatmon macrumors 6502a

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    it's called "GPUs always break"

    welcome to owning computers
     
  7. Ovedius thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Oh, I was unaware of that. Thought only dGPU 2016 models were affected (that's what you get for only reading headlines, I guess).
    Interesting, and disappointing.

    I had one of those.
    It does have a pretty well documented problem with seemingly excessive throttling.
    But that mostly only becomes noticeable while playing games, so if you only use it for work you probably won't ever notice.

    I wonder how large a percentage is acceptable before you have a "widespread" issue?
     
  8. Brookzy macrumors 601

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    Precisely: if it really was what you or I would consider a "small percentage" - i.e. 1 or 2%, there wouldn't have even been a repair programme.
     
  9. andreyush macrumors 6502

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    Is anyone on this forum that has one of this models ( early 2011 from early 2013) and never had a dgpu failure ?
     
  10. Clint_Barton macrumors 6502

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    No actually, its very good news, as it means that it is just a software problem rather than a hardware problem.
     
  11. Ovedius thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Ah! Good news indeed!
     
  12. ManuCH macrumors 6502

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    We have an early 2011 that is still going strong as a work laptop for a colleague (replaced the HDD with an SSD), as well as an early 2013 (my own work laptop). Both never had a dGPU failure.

    The only dGPU failure in my history as an Apple owner was the 2011 iMac.
     
  13. Jaekae macrumors 6502a

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    For the 15" 2016 its the intel 530 i have problems with not the amd card..

    Also some strange cpu behaviour..
     
  14. andreyush macrumors 6502

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    Did you game on them? Now I know that the secret is too keep the dgpu cool all the time to reduce the *failing* chance
     
  15. ManuCH macrumors 6502

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    No, I never game in general. It was only office work and some occasional video editing, so I didn't tax the dGPUs at all. Maybe that's the difference...
     
  16. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

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    The retina machines seem to be no worse than any other computer for dGPU failure, unlike previous versions which had a lot of failures. DGPU's in laptops always have a high failure rate nature of the beast.
     
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    I've read that most if not all 2011 MBPs will fail at one point, due to manufacturing decisions. While the repair program extended to the 2012 rMBP, I've not heard of many of them failing. I own one and I've been keenly aware of the failures but my MBP is going on 6 years and is doing great.
     
  18. leman macrumors 604

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    No, we don't have any data on the actual GPU failure rates. We also don't know whether GPUs fail more often than anything else. And finally, the GPU controversies existed well before the retina models and are certainly not limited to AMD (e.g. the 2008 model).
     
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    The GPU in my late 2013 has just failed again for the third time, now 30 days out of AppleCare. Its looking like Apple will cover the parts and I'll just pay labour.
     
  20. andreyush macrumors 6502

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    Glad to hear it ! Maybe because the late 2011 models use amd gpus. :/


    Now it's ironic. This is the proof that not just these models ( 2011, 2012 and early 2013) have major problems. Your dgpu has failed for the third time :( ..
     
  21. Ovedius thread starter macrumors 6502

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    One can only hope the new 15" Pros will prove to be reliable, since the 2016 15" don't come without dGPUs.
    Bit of a shame, was really hoping for a iGPU option.
     
  22. Ovedius thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The 2016 Pro?
     
  23. Switchback666 macrumors 68000

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    Yeah I was hoping for a base model without dgpu cause I don't really need it.
     
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    2012 15" base model
     

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