Disenchanted OSX noob needs Advice

Discussion in 'macOS' started by dusk007, Jun 11, 2010.

  1. dusk007 macrumors 68040


    Dec 5, 2009
    I got a new 15" MBP AG and I like the machine in general but although I new quite a bit about OSX I expected less problems. The notebook is pretty nice although I thought it is less noisy.

    On my first day of using the MBP under OSX I had one freeze and many many crashed applications. Is this normal that Flash is so bad under OSX that it is a pain to surf any Flash streaming clips website. I was on a page which managed to kill my Opera (and Safari) two within a few seconds of loading a movie.
    Under Windows I never had a problem other than that my old Pentium M was too slow to much other stuff while powering flash.

    Also I was hoping for a working divx 7/8 webplayer but that is even worse than windows. Aside from Chrome every Browser crashes instantly when loading the divx plug-in. You have the same?

    I never was a big fan of the dock but I tried to get rid of all the unecessary apps but for some reason I cannot create a stack with Applications inside. Are stacks only for documents?
    And is there a way to speed up this slow reappearance to instantly of the dock if you move it out. I am starting to miss the Win7 taskbar already.

    I also prefer the switching speed of apps in Windows. Is there some superspeed way. I now some people like Expose but I think it is incredibly slow and inefficient to move the mouse all the time. Do you really use that or do you switch with cmd+tab alt+tab? Or do you have any tipps for app managment.

    I also would like to know what Apple had in mind when they messed up the Germand keyboard even more than it already is. The @ at the L which is for no reason somewhere completely different and the brackets cannot stay there. But I am confident this can be changed.

    After 3 days using it a little I am not to fond of OSX. The whole importing of pictures, movies and music is a pain that still takes forever. I thought iTunes and the likes only suck in Windows. It has some stuff you have to install in windows by default like spaces. There is a nice trackpad (that is awesome). But it feels a lot less stable than Windows 7. I never really had any problems with windows 7 or XP (never tried Vista) and even if OSX is supposed to be stable, that doesn't really help if the apps are not that you are running. Window never crashes on me either it is only some Apps.
    It is also annoying having to restart everytime for gaming which I only do occasionally and in between some other work usually. Steam performance doesn't look to good under OSX.
    The you switch in boot camp is also a little weird. I though you select on start up. Anyway under Windows 7 the MBP works fine but battery life sucks.

    Am I complaining for no reason and I just don't know it enough yet or are those points somewhat true and I should consider returning this notebook in the next week and wait for an Envy 14?
    The Envy is cheaper and faster but probably also not as perfectly looking. The MBP isn't perfect either the sharp edge is sharper than I thought. You never notice those things in store.

    I hope people that switched or long time users can tell me honestly what the short comings of OSX really are and if it might actually be the wrong thing for me. I am an IT student I really never ever had problems with viruses or maintenance on Windows. Thus this it just works argument doesn't hold as Windows just works for me two.

    My primary pros for OSX was that I like those MBPs (the screen is awesome) and I like to try new OS and always wanted to work with a unix system. I like the terminal and actually decided I wanted to switch when I was still using XP that really sucks in usability. I like when all I have to do to launch an App is press a button typ 3 letters and press enter. I just spent a lot of money on this machine and don't want to regret it after the 2 weeks I have to change my mind.

    PS: My primary browser is Opera and it's philosophy I try to extend to the whole OS usually. I customize a lot and not so much the appearance but the behavior and I thought that OSX might be platform for this.
  2. emptyCup macrumors 65816


    Jan 5, 2005
    It seems that you want to use OSX as though it were Windows. That is the wrong mindset for OSX. If you prefer Windows then sell your Mac and go back to where you are comfortable. Honestly, we don't care. It's a big world with room for many different opinions. Best wishes.
  3. bli625 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 8, 2009
    Our pros and cons shouldn't matter to you. The OS you want to use is based on your opinion only. It seems like you like Windows more, so use Windows.
  4. calderone macrumors 68040


    Aug 28, 2009
    Dude, you're getting a Dell!

    Seriously though, just go back to Windows. There will always be issues, fortunately many don't experience them, but you seem to have been unlucky.

    Let me be clear, your experience is not typical. I have many Macs and none have experienced issues in years. It helps that I know what I am doing, and that may be a contributing factor.

    There are no "shortcomings" in my opinion. I switched in 2005. I was also an "IT" student. You simply need to drop any expectations you have that are based on Windows.

    Even after doing that, it may just not be a fit. Some are so wrapped up in Windows that switching is an impossible task and would be a waste of your time and anyone who tries to help you.

    Assess you needs, the things you have to be able to do. Assess your methods, the way you expect to be able to accomplish those things. If your needs and methods do not match with OS X, and you feel that you are incapable of adapting. Sell the Mac and stick with Windows.

    Good luck.
  5. JackHobbs macrumors regular


    Nov 1, 2009
    I'm curious how much research you did before you bought your mac. I think you need to make a list of pros and cons. At the moment it looks as if a Windows machine would suit you better. If you want to keep the awesome screen and the unibody build of the laptop but use windows, buy a copy of Windows 7 and install it using in bootcamp. It's an expensive solution but would work.

    I am wondering what you are doing that is causing all of the crashes. My MBP seems a lot more stable. Perhaps you've been unlucky. Why not take it into a store and get a genius to look it over?

    I converted to Mac in December of last year. Yes there are things that I still find a little odd coming from Windows, not wrong but different. However whenever I use my netbook now I find myself swiping my fingers for actions and nothing happens. I want to just move a file to the trashcan and then remember that I have to delete. Gradually my unconscious actions are becoming more mac like. I'm loving it and won't go back to windows. However, this isn't a windows bad, mac good post. Go with what suits you. Good luck with your decision.
  6. frenetic macrumors regular

    Feb 11, 2004
    Try quicksilver, it's a free app launcher and much more that you open with a hotkey

    Apart from that I think you are too much trying to hang on to the windows way of thinking. For example, I have my OS set so that whenever I attach a camera, it automatically opens iphoto and imports the the pictures. I do not see what is cumbersome about that. The same if for music - windows people always want to acces the files themselves, but it's much easier to let iTunes manage your files and only access them through the interface. I have never understood the windows obsession with manipulating the mp3's themselves.
  7. -Ryan- macrumors 68000

    Jan 28, 2009
    I hate to say it, but your post is either a gross exaggeration, you don't understand how to use a computer (unlikely, as you're an 'IT' student), or your OS X install is broken. Flash performance isn't great, but it certainly it not unusable.

    I switched to Mac over 4 years ago and have had an App crash once in all that time. Once. Something is going wrong if you are experiencing regular crashes.
  8. Gregg2 macrumors 603

    May 22, 2008
    Milwaukee, WI
    No. I have an Applications Stack. It is very simple to create one, so I'm curious about how you've tried.
  9. dusk007 thread starter macrumors 68040


    Dec 5, 2009
    I made a folder dragged it to the dock and tried to move the icons in there. Didn't work for some reason. I also tried to move them to the folder first and than to the dock.

    I did a lot of research. I also tried OSX every once in a while but never for more than an hour. I checked all the Apps I need all the time and if they are in OSX. Aside from Games they are but I am a very occasional gamer.
    Well and with iTunes I expected it to be better under OSX. In Windows and with my old slow notebook it was just too slow. Compared to foobar2000 which could do everything in an instant or stuff in 2 minutes that took iTunes half a day.

    I also don't need to buy Windows I get it for free. MSDNAA.

    I installed also Flash 10.1 today and that seems to work better. At least it didn't crash on the website it kept crashing before. Must have been some bug.

    You guys seem to think I hate OSX or anything. I just had some experiences that made me wonder and wanted to know if that is normal. My freeze was in OSX after I imported all my images and music at the same time watching a movie from my external drive on a second monitor and well doing this for about 1 hour at least. In windows gaming it gets loud but it never froze. In OSX I didn't do any heavy duty stuff since and it didn't freeze anymore.

    I don't think I am too wrapped up in windows. I have been using all kinds of Apps that made my windows behave completely different than the average windows. And I also switched those often enough that I don't think ajusting to a new way of working with a machine is any problem. All I want and that is really important to me is that It can work (I hate when there is sometimes just no way to get something to work and I felt like flash was much worse than what I heard it was) and I want to do things with maximum efficiency. I don't like eyecandy too much if an icon, item, button doesn't serve a purpose I want it to dissapear. If a animation just slows down my workflow I want to shut it off. I think though that from what I have read about OSX that I should be able to reach an at least as high efficiency. What I really was worried about is that I spend all this money and the stuff I do needs Apps that crash all the time.

    The thing about letting iTunes manage my music is valid, but I knew that before. I always liked foobar2000 because whatever you throw at it it did everything in an instant and it always did what I wanted it to do. When I got my iphone I was kind of pissed once because all I wanted to do is put a podcast from a teacher on the device from a library computer (In order to listen to it and take notes in a comfy armchair). That was impossible because it can only sync with one iTunes. The iphone is cool when it is jailbroken but otherwise it is just too annoying when you hit a barrier and cannot get any further. I only bought it because I needed a GPS smartphone in America that I can take home to Europe later. The iphone was actually the best deal I found and aside from the iTunes syncing issue it did everything I needed it to do.

    OSX is completely different than itunes or the iphone as far as I read stuff about it and how many little apps and customizations there are. You should think my post is too negative. I don't wanted to tell you how bad OSX is but I wanted you too tell me that flash usually works and divx did too once maybe. DIVX btw works only in Chrome and there the full screen mode is beyond bad. It looks like there is zero post processing or some really buggy one. Do you have that too. In Windows it has great quality in full screen. Still kills some browsers sometimes. DIVX has good quality but I wonder if they ever test their software. I thought it was my old crappy notebook but the MBP behaves exactly the same under Windows 7.
  10. Cameront9 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 6, 2006
    RE: Expose/App Switching.

    Quite frankly, I hate having to go to work and NOT having Expose. It is a Godsend. I don't see how it's slower than Cmd-tabbing....set up hotcorners...I just flick the trackpad to the bottom left, then flick up to whatever window I want. You can drag-and-drop between windows, too. I find it so much easier than Windows...Expose lets me see All the windows I have open....

    My advice: Keep playing with it. It's going to be different and until you accept that, you won't like it.
  11. Gregg2 macrumors 603

    May 22, 2008
    Milwaukee, WI
    Ok, this is a fundamental lack of understanding on your part. A folder in the Dock is not a folder, it is a Stack. A Stack is a pointer to an actual Folder. You cannot place a "folder" in the Dock and then move things to it by dragging things down to the Dock and dropping them on that Stack. It's not designed that way. There's your reason. (Although I'm not sure what "the icons" refers to exactly...)

    I'm assuming that "them" refers back to the previously poorly defined "the icons". Just what are they?

    Perhaps the reason for some of the reaction you're getting is due to the way you're blaming the OS for everything when it's so obvious that the problem is your lack of familiarity with it. You can write it off and forever trash the Mac OS, or you can learn how to use it. If the latter, there are many here who will be glad to help. It's up to you.
  12. calderone macrumors 68040


    Aug 28, 2009
    That's funny. I just added an item to one of my stacks by dragging the item to the stack in the Dock...
  13. InfoSecmgr Guest


    Dec 31, 2009
    Ypsilanti, Michigan
    I know this doesn't help the OP's situation, however I feel compelled to comment. I can count the number of crashed I've had with my Mac's since OS X first came out on both my hands, quite literally. The crashes are so incredibly rare that I remember almost every single one of them. Who are these people that get crash after crash and what are they doing? I tend to believe there is more to it than "it just crashed". Once you start digging into what the user actually does, from my experience, I've found that a vast majority have installed lots of 3rd party modification programs (shape shifter, etc). I'm not saying the OP did any of this, but I also find it hard to believe that things are just randomly crashing save for hardware failure. For example, my grandmother is terribly impatient. She has a white plastic MacBook, and she has been known to attempt to open several apps at once, click quickly and repeatedly on an icon or app feature when it doesn't work immediately. This causes problems sometimes, and an app may even crash. However, not even she has had her Mac completely freeze up (grey screen). So, what's the deal?
  14. grabberslasher macrumors 6502

    Aug 2, 2002
    You shouldn't be using any DivX plugins, use Perian (does DivX, Xvid, mkv, flv using QuickTime). Part of your problem I think is because you're trying to do things the way you'd do them on Windows - once you re-learn the best ways to do them on the Mac you may find you prefer them like that.
  15. dusk007 thread starter macrumors 68040


    Dec 5, 2009
    Works now. I tried to drag the items(Applications) that I don't want in the Dock to the Stack I created but that didn't work. Now I made a folder in the finder and put it into the dock and from the finder I can drag everything there.
    I do understand what the dock is, I simply assumed it wouldn't make a difference from where I drag the Applications as OSX might know which App alias it is.

    My crashes were (except for the freeze which is not a crash) only due to plugins in the browser. They bothered me because it was on web pages I used to visit often or I wanted to use and not being able to use them is a problem. I have already 3 3rd party apps installed and aside from Better Touch Tool they all work fine. Better Touch Tool kind of messes up my 3 Finger Swipe in Opera. No Idea why but I will find out.

    Exposé is quite nice I just have to figure out how I want to trigger it as the way it is set up right know doesn't work to good for me. In combination with cmd+tab and spaces which I put on alt+cursors apps switching works very well. Expose is great for many open apps but I usually only have few different apps open but many windows of one. Different pdfs look kind of the same. Spaces works better for switching then Exposé imo.

    ad DIVX
    I do have Perian installed because I like the Quicktime X design but how does this help me with the DIVX Webplayer. In Windows all I use DIVX for is the webplayer and that is the only divx I'd like to use in OSX too. Streams in Divx have good quality and it is the only way to get the stuff i want to watch in the original language and not some dubbed BS. I hope HTML5 shows up fast because this video plugins never worked too well.
    I have VLC and QT now but afaik QT has the better hardware acceleration. I just want QT to behave like VLC. QT always pauses when I jump forward and I have to hit space again. That is unnecessary.

    Anyway enjoy the world cup. Flash 10.1 seems to work fine now and divx is a pain in windows too. Linux gave me more troubles and I could work them out too. The notebook is pretty nice. I can sit outside in bright sunlight and the screen is still more than bright enough. For my gaming habits the 330M is also fast enough.
  16. Gregg2 macrumors 603

    May 22, 2008
    Milwaukee, WI
    That didn't work for me. (OS 10.5.8) I assume that it also put the item in the actual folder then.
  17. viniciusferrao macrumors newbie

    May 15, 2009
    iTunes is a ridiculous piece of sh*t, resource hog and ram eater. The only thing that I miss from Windows is just foobar2000 (www.foobar2000.org) was simply the best music player ever.

    I've made the switch in 22/12/2008. Some things really annoys me in OS X. But in general I'll stick with it. Having only one OS running, is the great advantage for me (when I was Windows user I always rebooted at Linux to do my work).

    Good luck with OSX.

    PS: Finder sucks too, Windows Explorer is MUCH better. Try Path Finder if you want some decent experience in File Management for OSX.
  18. mrchinchilla macrumors 6502


    Mar 6, 2009
    It sounds like you want to use Windows or Linux – this is a forum for Macs, or more specifically OS X; no one is forcing you to use it.
  19. johnnymg macrumors 65816


    Nov 16, 2008
    Anyone else have comments on Pathfinder?
  20. mrchinchilla macrumors 6502


    Mar 6, 2009
    Yes: it's a well-integrated application for OS X which, for many, can completely replace the Finder and make it redundant because it has an abundance of 'gadgets' and cut&paste – if you're a recent switcher and miss that function. However, it is a horribly written application as it's the one of the worst memory hogs I've ever seen, it also utilises a ridiculous amount of CPU even when idle. It also looks and feels like a Windows application.

    But that's just my 2¢.
  21. viniciusferrao macrumors newbie

    May 15, 2009
    OS X fills best my computing needs. But I know the bad points of OS X. For example: Snow Leopard's MMU is simply the worse MMU I ever seen.

    Only in your Mac, here is my Activity Monitor results:


    And I only use Path Finder when I really need it's features, 90% of the time I stick with Terminal App.
  22. mrchinchilla macrumors 6502


    Mar 6, 2009
    Wow, what are you doing to achieve such high wired memory? And if you rarely use it, why have it at all? Isn't it payware? The website doesn't specify how much it is, but I seem to remember it's around $30 or more.
  23. viniciusferrao macrumors newbie

    May 15, 2009
    This high wired memory amount is due Snow Leopard MMU's BUGs... I must reboot my Machine to go back to normal state. This sucks.

    I'm trying to track down this insane memory leak, but without lucky. With everything closed I still hit 3 gigabytes os Wired memory.

    About Path Finder, it costed to me 39.95US$ plus CC conversion taxes (my currency isn't USD).

  24. mrchinchilla macrumors 6502


    Mar 6, 2009
    Wow there's something really wrong there... My wired memory never exceeds 700MB* unless I'm running a virtual machine.
    Have you tried reinstalling or inquiring on the Apple Support forums?

    *Out of 4GB
  25. pinsrw macrumors regular

    May 30, 2010
    This is indicative of a bad RAM chip and/or bad motherboard, no matter what brand of computer it is.

    Try installing Windows and using it; if it still crashes, take the MBP in for service.

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