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I really don't understand comments like this. No one said that people need to subscribe to every streaming service out there. Subscribe to a service you want, pay for it for a few months, get your fill on content, then unsubscribe for a while.

I am sure I am not the only person that does this for HBO. When GoT is on, subscribe to HBO, catch up on everything else you want to watch, then cancel.

Exactly. I wait until GoT has aired a few episodes and then subscribe for a month. I watch the previously aired episodes and then start watching the later ones at their original air time. Netflix shows are all whole season releases, so you don’t have to deal with worrying about catching the latest episode.

My biggest issue is I just don’t find that much that interests me with any service. Netflix has a lot of junk. It’s not entirely their fault. Even if they had the latest movies they are junk. As for Disney I’m tired of the superhero genre and I don’t think Star Wars is or was all that great. Don’t get me wrong. I enjoyed the original trilogy, at least the first two movies, as a kid. But after a while it’s all kind of the same stuff in a surprisingly uninteresting universe considering all the possibilities.
 
Wonder if Disney is aware that there's a lot of world outside US and will launch it for us aswell?

I'm having a hard time understanding all the criticism about "cable 2.0".
It's easy to sign up and and cancel after a few months, then sign up again when there's a need.
And being able to watch the show when I want and not a fixed timeslot every week.
Also not sure what cable costs in US but here you could sign up for 5-6 streaming services before spending more than cable for a somewhat comparable amount of content. And you would still have commercial breaks for a lot of content with the cable package.
 
Yes but now those services are so segmented, that the shows you want are on separate services, and the rest is filler. It's exactly like cable TV now. 10% of a service is something you actually want to watch.
When it comes to NF, Amazon Prime yes but other services like Boomerang and Funimation are anything but filler. They serve a niche market one classic TV another animie so there is a lot of content to serve that market. NF is the real filler service. If you want to watch one original the only one I like is Series of Unfortunate Events I have to sub and get all the mature crud I have no interest in.
 
Post-cable era looks to be very fragmented and expensive.

Of course. This is al-a-carte coming to fruition. Only us fools believed we could get al-a-carte at a huge discount off of cable pricing. All other players want to make more money, not less. The opportunity to grow revenues is a direct driver of significant change.

So of course, as al-a-carte becomes more and more of a reality, the total cost to get all of what "we" want is likely to exceed what we used to pay to get all of what we want plus "180 channels I never watch." It is the only way moves toward al-a-carte could go.

Unless these new services are very cheap...when the digital market fragments and people don't want to spend enormous amounts of money to subscribe to redundant services just to get access to a show...I'm going to predict high piracy rates of those shows.

As usual, the "then I'll just steal it" argument shows itself. I don't want to pay about $1000 for the next iPhone. Instead, I want it priced dirt cheap. If it's not, I'll just steal it. Who's with me?

And I don't want my next car at the price they want. So I'll just steal that too. Who's with me?

And I don't want to pay their prices for food, so...

Yes and that is a problem that needs to be addressed. I still maintain there needs to be a universal central system (think Amazon channels kind of) where all channels/services are priced at say $3 per channel or bundle them and save:
$5 for 3 channels
$10 for 10 channels
$20 for 25 channels

Sounds great. I want to name my own, very favorable price for iPhone 8, the next Macs and iPads too. And for the next car. And food. And shelter. And all possessions.

The great and wonderful Apple has direct control over their pricing and they don't even let us choose our own price. Good luck on getting other corporations to slash their revenue throats because we want to name our own acceptable price.

I know, I know... "then I'll just steal it."

I would rather just buy the good movies instead of paying for a service.

What's stopping you? iTunes has had that model for years and years. Your solution has been in place for a very long time.

Its sad. We are back where we started.

No it's worse. Along with the fragmentation problem, we also are sacrificing quality. Most streams are generally lower quality picture and much lower quality sound (often just stereo or mono instead of even having the option for 5.1 or better surround sound).

AND, this "the future" replacement entirely depends on the very same pipe completely controlled by the cable company from which revenues are lost as people "cut" (but not really) that cord. What are they to do to make up for those losses? Pinch the download caps down and ramp up the price for broadband. Eventually, they still get all of theirs anyway AND, on top of that, we pay more for less video breadth & depth at lower quality.

Al-a-carte. The future.

Lesson: Be careful what you wish for.

I don't want al-a-carte channels, I want al-a-carte media, i.e. I want to be able to buy one movie or one series, or even one episode of a series.

You already have that for years now: iTunes.

What consumers want is the iTunes model. The movie and TV industry is so out of touch with what people want that they think they are making things better, but actually making things worse.

Actually, the movie & TV industry is key to supporting the iTunes store. Apple would have NO video in that store if the movie & TV industry wasn't supporting the very model you say that people want. They've supported it for many years now.

Soon there will be a subscription service for all the various subscription streaming services. Cable 2.0 rises from the ashes of Cable 1.0. Same story, different distribution.

Exactly. It appears that we are finally beginning to realize that maybe the "antiquated" model was not so bad. Al-a-carte only looked great in our deluded imaginations in which we perceived we could get just what we wanted for a fraction of what we have historically paid. Great but why would any of the other players want that? Therein lies the delusion.

Now that al-a-carte is increasingly coming to pass, we're seeing the reality of what content owners want for their content. No surprise. Apparently Apple wants about a $1000 for the next iPhone that will barely do more than the iPhone we already have.

Thus we begin to sling words like "fragmentation" and the desire for a unified interface instead of having to hop app-to-app and/or box-to-box. I suspect some of us still cling to some delusion that we can get everything for near nothing but that will never happen (and I don't sling a word like "never" lightly).

Welcome to "the future" that so many of us thought we wanted. Now we're increasingly getting it... except for the deep discounts that never had a chance. And what are we doing with it? Complain of course... even describing new wants for something else that looks like what we used to have. Go figure.
 
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Post-cable era looks to be very fragmented and expensive.

it's what all the whining chord cutters claim they wanted.
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This fragmentation will be what kills streaming, unfortunately.

Disney is pulling it's shows from Netflix to make their own service. Amazon is buying their own original programming to get people to subscribe to Prime. ESPN is launching their own streaming service. Hulu is buying their own original programming. Netflix is buying their own exclusives and original programming. There's rumors of Apple buying exclusive programming.

By the time these services are mature, the market will be massively segmented; people will need to buy separate subscriptions to Netflix, Prime, Hulu, ESPN, and Disney, among likely others (Apple?), many of these having huge overlap, just to get access to a couple shows.


And when people say: "X and Y have a 99% overlap in shows I want to watch- except this one exclusive show"...they won't want to sign up for a whole new service just to watch one show.


So what will they do? For many people, pirate.

Netflix has massively reduced film piracy rates just like Steam has reduced game piracy rates. Why? Because, as Gabe Newell put it, piracy is partially a service problem. Piracy rates increase when piracy becomes more convenient than the traditional product. Harsh DRM or poor distribution frequently drives up piracy rates.


Unless these new services are very cheap...when the digital market fragments and people don't want to spend enormous amounts of money to subscribe to redundant services just to get access to a show...I'm going to predict high piracy rates of those shows.

Plus - Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Warner Brothers, DC, CBS (just to watch Trek) and the list is becoming absolutely ridiculous. I think in 10 yrs when these services start to fail, we'll go back to Cable is great or these fringe services trying to license their content back to a service like Netflix for ridiculous amounts of money.
 
it's what all the whining chord cutters claim they wanted.
Cord cutting could mean many different things, so obviously it is not what every cord cutter wants.

I'm not saying it is what I wanted, but I don't mind it. Just one streaming service gives the consumer so much content, and it is a fraction of the price of cable.
we'll go back to Cable is great
When was the last time that people though Cable was great?
I think Cable companies have been unpopular for a very long time. Remember all the dish ads in the 90's?

I think in 10 yrs when these services start to fail, we'll go back to Cable is great or these fringe services trying to license their content back to a service like Netflix for ridiculous amounts of money

Unless companies like Comcast totally change their business models, I doubt there will be a huge change in momentum back to Cable.

They have changed a little in the past few year, like offering Internet with TV-lite packages, but as long as they still charge what they do for their crappy equipment that they force their customers to use, continue having horrible customer services, and continue to raise prices, I think the momentum will be against them.

Of course there will be plenty of people that stick with their Cable TV plans (my baby boomer parents), but for the people that are unhappy with them, there are more options than ever before to get movies and TV shows. As more sports related content becomes easier to stream, Cable companies will continue to lose their grip on the US consumer.
 
Cord cutting could mean many different things, so obviously it is not what every cord cutter wants.

I'm not saying it is what I wanted, but I don't mind it. Just one streaming service gives the consumer so much content, and it is a fraction of the price of cable.

When was the last time that people though Cable was great?
I think Cable companies have been unpopular for a very long time. Remember all the dish ads in the 90's?



Unless companies like Comcast totally change their business models, I doubt there will be a huge change in momentum back to Cable.

They have changed a little in the past few year, like offering Internet with TV-lite packages, but as long as they still charge what they do for their crappy equipment that they force their customers to use, continue having horrible customer services, and continue to raise prices, I think the momentum will be against them.

Of course there will be plenty of people that stick with their Cable TV plans (my baby boomer parents), but for the people that are unhappy with them, there are more options than ever before to get movies and TV shows. As more sports related content becomes easier to stream, Cable companies will continue to lose their grip on the US consumer.

I love my cable company - Xfinity. I get access to all the channels plus 3 premium channels and their associated apps (although for some annoying reason Starz app won't work) on most of my devices. I get 175 unlimited internet speed all for only $130 a month. People just need to negotiate with their providers. If I went internet only my service would be $80 a month, so in reality I'm only paying $50 a month for hundreds of channels and the programming I like. Chord cutting is for people who don't like TV to begin with and only watch one or two things so it's absolutely stupid Cable Companies and networks are trying to cater to the loudest voices who don't like their products to begin with instead of catering to those of us who do.
 
I'll just stick to my DirecTV subscription.
I also have Amazon Prime for other reasons (shopping!!!), so the video portion is a nice plus.
 
I love my cable company - Xfinity.
Some people do like Comcast, but many people do not. They are the most hated company in the US at the moment. But, people like what they like, I won't knock you for it.

If I went internet only my service would be $80 a month, so in reality I'm only paying $50 a month for hundreds of channels and the programming I like.

This might be true, but many ISPs offer cheaper/slower internet plans. My stream-heavy family uses 25Mbps, and it is fine for streaming to multiple TVs. It costs $39 a month.

People just need to negotiate with their providers.
This doesn't always work. It is nice when it does, but for many people, $130 a month is too much. I pay about half of that on average and have a crap load of content.
Chord cutting is for people who don't like TV to begin with and only watch one or two things so it's absolutely stupid Cable Companies and networks are trying to cater to the loudest voices who don't like their products to begin with instead of catering to those of us who do.

WHAT!?!
Sorry buddy, I can't take you seriously if you actually believe that.
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Chord cutting is for people who don't like TV to begin with and only watch one or two things
WHAT!?!
Sorry buddy, I can't take you seriously if you actually believe that.
I figured I post this. This is almost all from streaming. I consider myself a cord cutter, but I would also consider my family as people that like TV and watch more than one or two things.

Yikes, I went over the cap in August...
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I love my cable company - Xfinity. I get access to all the channels plus 3 premium channels and their associated apps (although for some annoying reason Starz app won't work) on most of my devices. I get 175 unlimited internet speed all for only $130 a month. People just need to negotiate with their providers. If I went internet only my service would be $80 a month, so in reality I'm only paying $50 a month for hundreds of channels and the programming I like. Chord cutting is for people who don't like TV to begin with and only watch one or two things so it's absolutely stupid Cable Companies and networks are trying to cater to the loudest voices who don't like their products to begin with instead of catering to those of us who do.

And I pay 45.00 per month for internet and have access to all the content I can watch
 
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Some people do like Comcast, but many people do not. They are the most hated company in the US at the moment. But, people like what they like, I won't knock you for it.



This might be true, but many ISPs offer cheaper/slower internet plans. My stream-heavy family uses 25Mbps, and it is fine for streaming to multiple TVs. It costs $39 a month.


This doesn't always work. It is nice when it does, but for many people, $130 a month is too much. I pay about half of that on average and have a crap load of content.


WHAT!?!
Sorry buddy, I can't take you seriously if you actually believe that.
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I figured I post this. This is almost all from streaming. I consider myself a cord cutter, but I would also consider my family as people that like TV and watch more than one or two things.

Yikes, I went over the cap in August...
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I don't care how much you pay for internet. Not everyone lives in places where there's a) choice and b) it's magically "cheap." Sure, I'd definitely cut cable if my bill went down that much, but the reality is it won't. And 25mbps is pretty means most of the material that I would watch would be basically unwatchable for all the buffering and stuttering.
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So? not everyone has the luxury of being able to pay $50 for cable.

So what if you or anyone else can't afford something? It's not my issue, since I CAN afford it. It's only my issue when people think everything has to be catered to THEM and that they are ENTITLED to get something they clearly can't afford. I don't go into Porche forums or even here in Macrumors whining about the cost of things in the hopes that they'll magically reduce their price so I can suddenly afford a MBP, $1,000 iPhone or an $80,000 car.
 
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I don't care how much you pay for internet. Not everyone lives in places where there's a) choice and b) it's magically "cheap." Sure, I'd definitely cut cable if my bill went down that much, but the reality is it won't. And 25mbps is pretty means most of the material that I would watch would be basically unwatchable for all the buffering and stuttering.
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Did I say they did? If you can't afford something that's not my issue, is it? It's only my issue when people think everything has to be catered to THEM and that they are ENTITLED to get something they clearly can't afford.

Nobody thinks that a system has to be catered to them people are pointing out that the streaming services are becoming fractured and it's true. I imagine in a couple years the number of services will dwindle and we'll be back to a couple major players carrying just about everything. I'm a cord cutter I haven't had a TV since 2003 when it was actually hard to live without one and am perfectly happy with the way things are going the system doesn't need to bend at all.
 
just get a good cloud based downloading service located outside the usa and use torrents.

unrelated: I just got Google Fiber 1000 down and up for $70 a month. Still expensive compared to S.Korea where those speeds are around $25 a month, but way cheaper than ****** Comcast which was charging me $75 for 150 and charges $200 for 1000. Americans are paying way too much for slow internet service all due to the monopolies granted cable providers.
 
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I don't care how much you pay for internet.
Um, you posted how much your internet costs, can I not do the same?

Yes, I know that not everyone can get the same deal on cable, but the same thing could be said to you about your cable deal you posted.

I was just pointing out that there might be other deals to be had where you can still get great content without having to spend $130+ on a cable bill.
25mbps is pretty means most of the material that I would watch would be basically unwatchable for all the buffering and stuttering.
What do you watch? Genuinely curious. Is it only 4k content? Comcast doesn't have 4K STBs....

While there situations that it maybe too slow (servers, large file transfers), 25Mbps is perfectly fine for streaming HD Netflix. It is good for about 5 HDTVs all streaming at the same time. Actually, with your internet speed that you post (175Mbps), you can stream 35 HDTVs at the same time using Netflix.

I won't make any assumptions with what you do with your internet, but for many people, 175Mbps is just going to waste, as they will never use it.

This will all change with 4K streaming, but for now, 25Mbps is perfectly fine.
 
DisneyLife (the Disney streaming service) already exists in the UK and has practically everything including Disney and Pixar shorts.
How is the price and video quality? I was shocked here in the states that CBS all access does not even stream in 720p. They stream in 540p or lower with some shows having AM Radio sound quality never mind 5.1 there audio bitrate is lower than 48kbps.
 
Post-cable era looks to be very fragmented and expensive.
Indeed. Now with Facebook, Walmart and others entering the fray, I miss the old days already... too many people trying to get a piece of the pie.

Guess this means the chances of Defenders characters appearing in the films is probably 0% though...
 
Guess this means the chances of Defenders characters appearing in the films is probably 0% though...
I am glad. Those so called super hero's disgrace to the Marvel name. At least NF could have made it take place in a different universe like Deadpool.
 
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