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I suppose you can look at it that way, unless you're upgrading your internet to support multiple 4K streams in the house. So part of that bill may count as a TV expense if you otherwise wouldn't have gone with the fastest plan.
Yeah I can agree with that. I am spoiled where I live and have a fantastic locally run internet company with Fiber Optic for dirt cheap. The budget tier is 300mb/s down and up with no data cap. I don’t think we've ever come close to maxing it out with 2 tvs running 4k content.
 
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Completely skipped what I said.
No, I didn't. I covered it right here:
There are tradeoff for everything
I just went into details with the SW side of things as HW is highly dependent on the user, what they want and need, what they already have, I didn't really didn't see a point getting into that. SW is a lot easier, as everyone with a Mac and an ATV already has everything they need to start their media server.

HW requirements on the other hand can be so user specific.

There are always tradeoffs.

If someone doesn't want to watch ads, and don't want pay for the increased streaming costs, there are other options, but there could be some costs or other downsides to the alternatives.

Although, depending on what one is looking to do, using some type of media server doesn't have to be expensive.

Trust me it's not cheap I have a great setup. It also cost me five years worth of subscriptions to these services.
How much is 5 years? 5 years of ATV+? or 5 years of all the major streaming services?

Like I said, HW requirements would vary greatly from one user to the next.

If someone had some Blurays they wanted to encode, they don't need your set up. They don't need a RAID either. They don't need special HW. They don't need an SSD. They don't even need an external drive.

My current media server set up has two 4TB HDDs in a RAID0 with a 14TB HDD as a back up for that and other things. It didn't start out that way, and at one point, I had everything on a single internal OEM HDD on one of my Macs. As my library expanded, my HW requirements did as well.

Although, my current set up is very capable and my library is very large, but it is probably no where near the cost of what yours is.

Again, not sure how much your set up cost you, but I don't think people do not need to spend thousands of dollars to have a decent set up.

BTW, I am not saying streaming services are bad and people should choose building a media center over paying for streaming. My initial response was to the person that was saying that DVDs and Blurays have annoying ads when they first play, saying that there are ways around that. Yes, there could be some investment in time and money, but the tradeoff being that the user would always have access to that content without paying monthly and without seeing ads.
 
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No, I didn't. I covered it right here:

I just went into details with the SW side of things as HW is highly dependent on the user, what they want and need, what they already have, I didn't really didn't see a point getting into that. SW is a lot easier, as everyone with a Mac and an ATV already has everything they need to start their media server.

HW requirements on the other hand can be so user specific.

There are always tradeoffs.

If someone doesn't want to watch ads, and don't want pay for the increased streaming costs, there are other options, but there could be some costs or other downsides to the alternatives.

Although, depending on what one is looking to do, using some type of media server doesn't have to be expensive.


How much is 5 years? 5 years of ATV+? or 5 years of all the major streaming services?

Like I said, HW requirements would vary greatly from one user to the next.

If someone had some Blurays they wanted to encode, they don't need your set up. They don't need a RAID either. They don't need special HW. They don't need an SSD. They don't even need an external drive.

My current media server set up has two 4GB HDDs in a RAID0 with a 14GB HDD as a back up for that and other things. It didn't start out that way, and at one point, I had everything on a single internal OEM HDD on one of my Macs. As my library expanded, my HW requirements did as well.

Although, my current set up is very capable and my library is very large, but it is probably no where near the cost of what yours is.

Again, not sure how much your set up cost you, but I don't think people do not need to spend thousands of dollars to have a decent set up.

BTW, I am not saying streaming services are bad and people should choose building a media center over paying for streaming. My initial response was to the person that was saying that DVDs and Blurays have annoying ads when they first play, saying that there are ways around that. Yes, there could be some investment in time and money, but the tradeoff being that the user would always have access to that content without paying monthly and without seeing ads.
I’m assuming you mean TB not GB? Sounds like an awesome setup.
 
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Compared to Netflix it’s still a bargain.

It depends on the content you are interested in.



Didn’t Prime raise prices in 40% range?

Full Amazon Prime is up around 40% since 2018 but Amazon Prime Video has been the same price ($8.99/month) since they started to allow non-Prime members to subscribe to it separately six years ago. At least in the U.S.
 
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I currently subscribe to D+ and Hulu (no ads). So, I'm paying $21/month for what I have now. There is a new $20 bundle that has both D+ and Hulu without ads. So, my monthly cost will be going down by $1, and I'll be getting ESPN, which I won't use. Maybe I'll use it. I'll at least check it out.
 
I’m assuming you mean TB not GB?
You are correct. That’s what I get typing too quickly, so I can eat my lunch.

I will fix it.

Ironically, that was around the size of the first HDD that I used when I first started to build a media library from DVDs, the 20GB HDD in my iBook G3.

Sounds like an awesome setup.
Not as nice as many others I see posting on the forum, but pretty good for the amount I spent on it, but it does use a lot of energy.

In the next year or two, I am thinking about getting a more energy efficient setup.
 
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With all these companies raising their prices, pretty soon we will be paying more than we used to pay for cable back in the day.
This was obvious about 5 years ago. Did anyone really think that a direct to consumer approach would result in lower prices over the long term?
 
This was obvious about 5 years ago. Did anyone really think that a direct to consumer approach would result in lower prices over the long term?
They often do (at least in a brick and mortar retail context, unless it’s a vendor like Apple with strict MSRP pricing), but apparently not in streaming.

Now the thing I’m really curious about is the cost of new subscriber acquisition for the major streaming services, also the cost of acquisition for long term subscribers (those who retain a subscription indefinitely instead of suspending and restarting subscriptions as content ebbs and flows).
 
I'm wondering if services will offer even bigger discounts if you subscribe for the entire year.

That's one way to keep people from starting and stopping every month... lock 'em in for the year!

Though after that year... the customers still has to make a decision to renew.

And then it comes down to having good content.

But it's always about good content, isn't it?

I'm glad I'm not the CEO of a streaming company. It's a brutal market.
 
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I'm wondering if services will offer even bigger discounts if you subscribe for the entire year.

That's one way to keep people from starting and stopping every month... lock 'em in for the year!

Though after that year... the customers still has to make a decision to renew.

And then it comes down to having good content.

But it's always about good content, isn't it?

I'm glad I'm not the CEO of a streaming company. It's a brutal market.
That bit about yearly subscriptions is actually a really good idea. Well, maybe Netflix is in major need of capital on a rotating basis and couldn’t afford to have most of its users pay annually, but the other players certainly have enough access to credit that driving annual subscriptions won’t hurt their access to short term operational cash (assuming their corporate holdings aren’t enough to just bankroll the regular recurring expenses without any input from the streaming service). It’s a great way to keep people subscribed between new releases and to keep people going down the long tail of back catalogue content (since they’re paying for it).
 
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Did anyone really think that a direct to consumer approach would result in lower prices over the long term?

Various streaming services like HBO Max, Showtime, Disney+, etc. provide access to a lot more content and are much cheaper (at least after adjusting for inflation) than they were as premium channels sold through cable companies decades ago. You also don't have to pay any "installation cost" like there used to be. Even with some price increases, these streaming services are still pretty inexpensive by comparison.
 
You should all just get Amazon Prime , the only thing I watch on + is The Simpsons ( only up to around season 14 then it went crap) and the odd marvel or pixar movie. Prime even has the smutty movies too I think
 
You should all just get Amazon Prime , the only thing I watch on + is The Simpsons ( only up to around season 14 then it went crap) and the odd marvel or pixar movie. Prime even has the smutty movies too I think
I have a Prime account for the 2 day shipping, but I’ve never once used any of the additional Prime services (except I’ve watched a show on Prime maybe once or twice) and the Prime service add on for Kindles. I honestly hear from other people far less about shows on Amazon Prime than I do Netflix, Disney+, Paramount+, or even Apple TV+. Among my extended social network, Prime Video seems to be the least popular of the major streaming services.

Edit: Is that you, Jeff Bezos? ;)
 
I have a Prime account for the 2 day shipping, but I’ve never once used any of the additional Prime services (except I’ve watched a show on Prime maybe once or twice) and the Prime service add on for Kindles. I honestly hear from other people far less about shows on Amazon Prime than I do Netflix, Disney+, Paramount+, or even Apple TV+. Among my extended social network, Prime Video seems to be the least popular of the major streaming services.

Edit: Is that you, Jeff Bezos? ;)
Yes, my nme is Jeff Bezos and I encourage you to purchase 10 years of Prime as well as a minimum of £200,000 per year spend on ALL Amazon products. I need money for fuel for my phallic shaped rockets
 

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Haven't most people been paying more for years? Unless you have very cheap internet, the price of your broadband connection, plus the price of one of the live TV services, plus all the streaming apps - blows way past what I used to pay for DirecTV or Comcast.
You wouldn't have internet if you had satellite or cable TV?
 
They often do (at least in a brick and mortar retail context, unless it’s a vendor like Apple with strict MSRP pricing), but apparently not in streaming.

Now the thing I’m really curious about is the cost of new subscriber acquisition for the major streaming services, also the cost of acquisition for long term subscribers (those who retain a subscription indefinitely instead of suspending and restarting subscriptions as content ebbs and flows).
I used to work in an industry with a lot of cross platform solutions involving traditional cable subs. When you get a chance to see the way content companies package their assets and the correlating pricing envelopes it becomes (became) clear where streaming was heading. Even five years ago, to build out a standard "cable package" worth of channels with streaming solutions cost damn near as much as the cable package itself, plus was miraculously more convoluted. The old "a bunch of crap you don't even watch" adage is also just as true on streaming as it is on cable. You notice the other important throwback? You're going to pay for your channels even when they are being subsidized by advertisements. Netflix was a gateway drug and now that the dealers have everyone from us "tech nerds" to our grandmas on their product, it's time to start jacking up the price. What especially sucks is that the streaming product is 8/10 times of a lower quality than obtaining the stream illicitly.
 
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Various streaming services like HBO Max, Showtime, Disney+, etc. provide access to a lot more content and are much cheaper (at least after adjusting for inflation) than they were as premium channels sold through cable companies decades ago. You also don't have to pay any "installation cost" like there used to be. Even with some price increases, these streaming services are still pretty inexpensive by comparison.
You can see my response to someone else for more information but what you have mentioned here is the tried and true "it's premium, Bro" shtick. Without any discounts what would those three services cost you now, today? $27? Plus at least some portion of what you pay for "dumb pipe" access, i.e your ISP? And for what? So you can watch Bad Boys on the fly? The value proposition hinges on cultural phenomena (see Game of Thrones) and then months of people forgetting to cancel their subscriptions. That isn't a conspiracy, its quite literally baked into the business models. These services are also leveraged to hook you into other services as a type of...what's that old axiomatic stand by when it comes to cable packages? Ah yes, the bundle. Don't even get me started on what an unmitigated disaster sports are on streaming services.
 
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