Disorder and disorientation after replying at the foot of anything other than the last page

grahamperrin

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Page numbering may be wrong after replying at the foot of anything other than the last page

The attached screenshot should be self-explanatory. …
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Much more than the page numbering is wrong.

Post numbering becomes non sequential; the prompt to view more messages appears in the midst of that disorder; and so on.

Generally: frequently disorientating.

Thoughts

Assuming that the behaviours are inherent to XenForo, the strictest way to prevent (or minimise the risk of) disorderly content might be to never offer the Write your reply… field (with its Post Reply button) at pages that include the nn more messages … link. In other words:
  • offer the reply field at only one page of any multi-page topic – the last.
That's strict enough to be treated as unpopular.

… The phrase last post is ambiguous. It may be misinterpreted as meaning the last post on the page.

I'd prefer that (big red volatile) down arrow to make visible the reply dialogue beneath the last post on the page.

… Every time I want the reply field, I have to go to the end of the page then scroll or page up until the field becomes visible.
All things considered, I now vote to completely remove the big red volatile arrows. Never show them. The down arrow is, essentially, an incentive to readers to rush, to ignore content before writing. Amongst the undesirable side effects of ignorance: duplication, triplication and so on.
 
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grahamperrin

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The most recent example. This will become a point of reference from a post in a different topic …

Amongst the earliest examples, a screenshot from the day after all members began to use XenForo:

2015-06-02 04-16-01 screenshot.png

I can't recall what preceded post 29 on that page, but was not posts 26–28.

It's abnormal for page 1 to end with post 25.
 
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grahamperrin

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Another example.

The proper ending of page 1 (post 25) followed by posts 34, 35 and 36; those three should be on page 2, not page 1.

2015-06-09 21-21-11 screenshot.png 2015-06-09 21-22-06 screenshot.png
 

grahamperrin

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Another example.

The proper ending of page 1 (post 25) followed by the end of page 31 plus the start of page 32 all on the screen for page 1.

2015-06-09 22-28-09 screenshot.png

A reload of page 1 represented that page properly –
2015-06-09 22-29-14 screenshot.png
– so I clicked to the last page to seek my post, and found it –

2015-06-09 22-34-45 screenshot.png

– but the two posts that were previously adjacent to mine had disappeared.

My first guess was that two or more posts made by other people had been deleted.

Eventually, disoriented, I found what had disappeared. No longer adjacent. On a different page, 31.

Soon afterwards I found parts of page 32 but not 31 on the screen for page 1:

2015-06-10 04-00-41 screenshot.png
 

grahamperrin

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Wednesday 2015-06-10 07:08

I'll not share the screenshot here but the screen included nonconsecutive posts 25, 594 and 595 on page 1 with a prompt, in their midst, to view more posts (without number).

The latter were from 6th and 7th May so I can't imagine why they were presented on 10th June alongside a post from 2012.
 

grahamperrin

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Wednesday 2015-06-10 08:06

Nonconsecutive posts 25, 67 and more on page 1 with a prompt, in their midst, to view more posts (without number).

67 was from Sunday so I couldn't imagine why it was presented three days later alongside a post from around a week earlier:

2015-06-10 08-06-11 screenshot.png

A few seconds later, after scrolling (learning to ignore, to not trust the prompts for 'more posts'), new posts 68 and 69 on the page that should normally end at 25:

2015-06-10 08-06-30 screenshot.png

A few seconds later, after manually browsing to page 3 then manually scrolling (because the premature vision of new posts from page 3, on page 1, causes them to no longer appear as new on page 3 (the value of 'go to first unread' is lost)):

2015-06-10 08-06-46 screenshot.png
 
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grahamperrin

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Saturday 2015-06-13 14:34

Nonconsecutive posts 275, 585, 586 and 587 on page 11 with a prompt, in their midst, to view more posts (without number).

Also on screen:
  • a prompt to go to what might be the last page (in this example, 24) but I'm learning to ignore that because what's on the last page, or the last two pages, is sometimes premature – long before the last page – and the combination of disorder plus repetition is too confusing
  • a prompt to go to the first unread message but that's messed up (misplaced newness) so that's another button that I have learnt to ignore.
2015-06-13 14-34-49 screenshot.png
 
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