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I still can't figure out who is going to buy this thing.

Edit: at that price point

Remember when analysts predicted that the iPad Mini would be $199-$249 and people were "outraged" at the $329 price point? They don't seem to be having any trouble selling them. Actually, they're outselling the full size iPads last I heard.
 
I still can't figure out who is going to buy this thing.

Edit: at that price point

People who get on the subsidized contracts. Its $99.

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I suspect that Apple won't be able to produce enough 5S to satisfy the initial demand because of the new CPU, co-processor and fingerprint reader, each one of them has the potential to have constrained supply.

Hopefully a lot of people having a hard time finding a 5S could end up getting a 5C, something that may have not happened if the alternative was only "last year's iPhone".

So what's your bets on how many iPhones Apple will sell in the first week-end of availability?

They sold 5 million iPhone 5 last year in the 1st w-e. With the 5C which will be easy to mass-produce, the expanded launch around the world and the fact that the iPhone market is still growing, they may be able to sell at least 10 million of them in the first week-end.

I actually think it's going to be the opposite.

They won't be able to keep the 5C in stock...especially for the holidays.

I think the 5S will take off but not till later...especially after government tries it out for security.

The 6 is going to be the rebirth or death of the iPhone. They really need to knock it out of the park with the design/look/screen/etc..
 
Last year Apple ran into production problems at Foxconn - the i5 was hard to produce. This year with 5C which should be easier than 5 to produce, I would be disappointed if they can only sell 10m units. I think Apple will have a blow out number.

So what's your bets on how many iPhones Apple will sell in the first week-end of availability?

They sold 5 million iPhone 5 last year in the 1st w-e. With the 5C which will be easy to mass-produce, the expanded launch around the world and the fact that the iPhone market is still growing, they may be able to sell at least 10 million of them in the first week-end.
 
Since the 5C and NOT the 5S is going to China Mobile that has 700 million subscribers, wouldn't that suggest that the 5C will be more popular by default? Of course they'll need more panels for the 5C with that kind of possible subscriber purchases.
 
Agreed, but the "lower cost of entry" applied to the previous approach of reselling the old flagship at a reduced price. So customers are going to line up and pay the same price differential for the same product as they would have previously, just repackaged in a plastic shell?

Obviously Apple hopes so. If it works, it'll shore up their average profit margin, which has been dropping because of people buying the older, less expensive devices.

Apple also does not want a repeat of last year, when they couldn't match initial demand due to the difficulty of powder coated metal assembly.

So they've gone plastic, which solves both the profit margin and build/supply problems. They've also been setting up trade-in deals and even loan programs in some countries, along with allowing discounts, in order to maximize the number of potential sales.
 
I'm curious as to how they are able to tell the difference between which models the display/screen orders are meant for, to come up with that projection.

Last year, Apple launched 2 devices with the 4" display: iPhone 5 & iPod touch (5th gen) and they did tout that although the iPod touch was cheaper, they both have the same display with the same image quality.

Unless Apple is again cheapening out and using an inferior display for the iPhone 5c, which isn't on par with the iPhone 5? Hope we'll have more answers once they go on sale.
 
4 years of owning an iPhone and I'm going for the 5c. The power of the 5 is fine and the 5c is pretty much the same. I can't justify $100 extra for a finger print reader, and some health monitor chip. Not to mention a phone that looks like the 5 and the fact that I don't even want either phone. I want a bigger screen. Like 4.5"
 
May not be surprised if it does not I still do not believe it makes any sense, it is not cheap. It costs what the iPhone 5 would cost which has better build quality and Apple could not even match the front to the back color making it look wrong. I really don't get it.

If it does sell well I guess all they have to do is repackage their old model phone in cheaper plastic and act like it is something new and amazing.
 
So there are different displays in the two devices? Is it known yet whether there's an IGZO panel in the 5s?

I would have expected Apple to use the exact same front panel assembly for both phones to minimize production cost and maximize supply flexibility.
 
I am stuck with an iPhone 4. Works perfectly, but should I update to the iPhone 5s? You have to take into account that I will be locked in with this plan for 3 years. Last years model with a plastic case is not an option. Your opinions please!!!!!

Nope.

I had the 3GS and the 4S. I'm tired of the S cycle. The S updates are never anywhere near as cool as the full new number updates. You're buying hardware that looks like it's been around for over a year (because it basically has been) and will seem just as old as the -S when the next update comes around.

I'm holding out for the 6, which based on current rumors will be very cool (and not have both the fewest bullet points, 3, and the lamest, Apple has ever shown at for a new flagship product. Their 1:30 show, also a record for shortness, had 30 minutes worth of filler, a record for filler. By every metric I can think of, the 5C/5S are Apple's lamest iPhones ever (relative to what already exists, of course. If the 5 had been the 5S instead, obviously it would have been very cool a year earlier.)
 
I am stuck with an iPhone 4. Works perfectly, but should I update to the iPhone 5s? You have to take into account that I will be locked in with this plan for 3 years. Last years model with a plastic case is not an option. Your opinions please!!!!!

It works perfectly, it's presumably paid for: Save Your Money! Other than some iOs7 features that may not work on the 4, the major thing you're missing out on is speed. If your current 4 will hold up for another year, get the 6 next year, which will undoubtedly be shinier, faster, better, again. Just my opinion. ymmv.

Just curious, how will you be locked in for three years?
 
At this stage all 'shipments' mean is Apple thinks the 5C will be more popular than the 5s. After all they haven't actually sold any at the moment.
 
4 years of owning an iPhone and I'm going for the 5c. The power of the 5 is fine and the 5c is pretty much the same. I can't justify $100 extra for a finger print reader, and some health monitor chip. Not to mention a phone that looks like the 5 and the fact that I don't even want either phone. I want a bigger screen. Like 4.5"

I can easily justify an extra $100 for significantly better photos, ability to run better games, fingerprint reader, slightly better battery life, and the added conveniences of the M7 chip. If you want a bigger screen, all bets are off. But I can't see how the upgrades in the 5s aren't really desirable.
 
lol, it's $0 down and you have to pay $22/mo for 24 months = $528 ;)

The $200 5C I'm referring is the 32GB one w/ 2 year contract anyway ...
You cited the down payment, so I cited the down payment. And so the 32GB one is $99 down at T-Mobile, not the $200 you were "lmao"ing about.

Either way, T-Mobile charges less for the phone than you would on a two year contract OR buying it outright.

Do you think "lol" and ;) can make up for not having a coherent point?
 
You cited the down payment, so I cited the down payment. And so the 32GB one is $99 down at T-Mobile, not the $200 you were "lmao"ing about.

Either way, T-Mobile charges less for the phone than you would on a two year contract OR buying it outright.

Do you think "lol" and ;) can make up for not having a coherent point?

The only one not making a coherent point is you. $200 is the cost of the 32 GB 5C iPhone w/ a 2 year contract; the $200 is not a down payment. :rolleyes:
 
So customers are going to line up and pay the same price differential for the same product as they would have previously, just repackaged in a plastic shell?
It has better battery life than the 5, too; it's not just the plastic shell (which *I* think looks cool).

The main thing is that it costs less, and a lot of people aren't really going to care much that it's plastic versus aluminum — especially people who are upgrading FROM plastic phones (Android users). In any case, it still costs less, and it runs iOS. That's all that matters.
 
The only one not making a coherent point is you. $200 is the cost of the 32 GB 5C iPhone w/ a 2 year contract; the $200 is not a down payment. :rolleyes:

I think you need to link where you're seeing this...

I'm assuming you're referring to $199 quoted by Apple in the keynote? That is the down payment for phone and you'd have your monthly plan cost on top of that $199.
 
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The only one not making a coherent point is you. $200 is the cost of the 32 GB 5C iPhone w/ a 2 year contract; the $200 is not a down payment. :rolleyes:

You don't understand the idea of a subsidized phone, do you? You end up paying more for that "$200" phone over your two-year contract than you would if you just bought it outright.
 
I think you need to link where you're seeing this...

I'm assuming you're referring to $199 quoted by Apple in the keynote? That is the down payment for phone and you'd have your monthly plan cost on top of that $199.

You don't understand the idea of a subsidized phone, do you? You end up paying more for that "$200" phone over your two-year contract than you would if you just bought it outright.
Of course I know the rest of the cost and more is a part of whatever they charge of the contract, but of course if you are in AT&T where there are no cheaper plan prices that point doesn't work.

Still, even if the cost of the iPhone is part of the cost of the yearly contract they don't tell you how much goes into it, because even you bring your own, they will charge you the same amount for the 2 year contract plan.

A down payment is the initial upfront portion of the total amount due and since there is no way to calculate a total amount due in a 2 yr contract hardware cost, then is not called a down payment but an arbitrary price point that they will give you for a device if you sign up to be with them for 2 years.
 
Of course I know the rest of the cost and more is a part of whatever they charge of the contract, but of course if you are in AT&T where there are no cheaper plan prices that point doesn't work.

Still, even if the cost of the iPhone is part of the cost of the yearly contract they don't tell you how much goes into it, because even you bring your own, they will charge you the same amount for the 2 year contract plan.

A down payment is the initial upfront portion of the total amount due and since there is no way to calculate a total amount due in a 2 yr contract hardware cost, then is not called a down payment but an arbitrary price point that they will give you for a device if you sign up to be with them for 2 years.

...right. It all makes sense now... :confused:

That fact remains, you are wrong. Down payment, upfront cost, call it what you want, not everyone will pay $200 for the phone. As others have pointed out, there are plenty of better deals to be add from various network providers.
 
It has better battery life than the 5, too; it's not just the plastic shell (which *I* think looks cool).

The main thing is that it costs less, and a lot of people aren't really going to care much that it's plastic versus aluminum — especially people who are upgrading FROM plastic phones (Android users). In any case, it still costs less, and it runs iOS. That's all that matters.


When you say it costs less, it costs less than what?

Previously you had the 5, the 4S and the 4. Guess what? the 4S cost less and so did the 4. Now you have the 5S, the 5C, and the 4S.

You're acting like they've fundamentally changed their phone offering when they actually haven't. The price points are the same and you're still getting last year's feature set. Just because they put it in a cheaper casing doesn't change what you're getting.
 
It works perfectly, it's presumably paid for: Save Your Money! Other than some iOs7 features that may not work on the 4, the major thing you're missing out on is speed. If your current 4 will hold up for another year, get the 6 next year, which will undoubtedly be shinier, faster, better, again. Just my opinion. ymmv.

Just curious, how will you be locked in for three years?

Signing up for a corporate plan. Sweet deal for living in Canada. 350 anytime, 250 Across Canada LD, free nights and weekends local, unlimited text and video message, and 5 GB of data. All for 50 bucks a month. No pricing on the phone as of yet. Has to be a 3 year plan though.
 
When you say it costs less, it costs less than what?
Less than the 5S.

I'm not "acting like they've fundamentally changed their phone offering"; you're arguing with the voices in your head on that point. The mid-range offering cost less than the high-end offering before, and it still costs less.
 
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