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DisplayMate Praises New iPad Screen Sharpness and Color
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Gee, I thought I just purchased an HDMI adaptor with my iPad as an option from the on-line store order page for like $29 or $39. I'll have to verify.
TVs don't need the extra resolution because their viewing distance is considerably greater.
Same here, but non-reflective screens cause the blacks to appear lighter, decreasing perceived sharpness. That's why Best-Buy always cranks the contrast way up on their display TVs. Turns the image to crap, but it sure looks great from a distance.
Yes and no.
TV's are getting bigger, but viewing distance isn't. So while sure your ~40" TV being viewed at about 10 feet or so away looks great most folks are starting to make 55" and above the standard purchase, with that 10 feet distance not changing.
In these cases the greater resolution would be fantastic.
TV's are getting bigger, but viewing distance isn't. So while sure your ~40" TV being viewed at about 10 feet or so away looks great most folks are starting to make 55" and above the standard purchase, with that 10 feet distance not changing.
In these cases the greater resolution would be fantastic.
I think those minor calibration tweaks need to become major tweaks for the iPad to become a studio reference monitor. The amount of variation among iPad 3 (and 2 and 1) displays is just flabbergasting. I've experienced this personally, and the myriad of images of people's iPads on these boards shows the same.
In any case, 2048x1536 is fabulous, but the color reproduction is less so, sadly.
Of course, it's possible this site got in a great example of an iPad 3, but they're certainly not all like this.
What baffles me is that apart from a few little things , the new iPad is all about the screen, a screen that is made and produced by Samsung , the very company they are suing almost every day. I really dont understand Samsung. If i were them i would be withholding the screens for an Android or Windows 8 tablet and sticking my finger up!
YES!!!
Oh please give us controls to color...my new iPad is awesome but color profile is shifted, yellows look lemon sometimes greenish hue, blues leaning purple.
Others do not have this issue and older imacs have had this issue corrected with just a slight adjustment. So now I'm left with having to swap what could be corrected with a minor adjustment.
As we get wider color support, and pro photography tools, we will need these tools.
Apple should just burry them deep in settings and have a revert to default.
There are several new anti-reflective technologies coming to market such as Moth Eye that do not have the tradition anti-reflective problems. The new moth eye Philips TV apparently looks amazing. Even so, I really like the matte Macbook Pro screens.
Didn't notice much difference
I'm sorry, but I have an iPad 2 and I compared it against the new iPad at the Apple Store and I just don't see the difference. It's a little sharper, but not as radically different as the spooge filled reviews would lead you to believe. Certainly not worth upgrading for (IMHO).
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The minute Samsung uses the screen on their Galaxe Tab everyone will be screaming "copycat!"
I'm sorry, but I have an iPad 2 and I compared it against the new iPad at the Apple Store and I just don't see the difference. It's a little sharper, but not as radically different as the spooge filled reviews would lead you to believe. Certainly not worth upgrading for (IMHO).
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The minute Samsung uses the screen on their Galaxe Tab everyone will be screaming "copycat!"
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Thanks again Samsung for all your display tech and expertise. All this wouldn't be possible without you. Looking forward to the future and your amazing OLED displays.
Thanks again Samsung for all your display tech and expertise. All this wouldn't be possible without you. Looking forward to the future and your amazing OLED displays.
Without previously knowing the confirmed specs, first off, the screen is quite amazing. Pictures and icons pop off the page. I didn't really know what that meant until seeing it, but it is very impressive. Secondly, the user interface of the new iPad seems to be even more fluid than that of my iPad 2. The combo of the new GPU and additional RAM is paying off, and as anyone worked with PC's in any graphical applications, I'll take a more powerful GPU and additional memory over an upgraded CPU any day.
I doubt that I'll use the upgraded camera much, but everything else was worth the upgrade.
I doubt that I'll use the upgraded camera much, but everything else was worth the upgrade.
ipad2 vs new ipad
I don't really care about the ipad's camera. I don't/won't be using an ipad for still photos or video. I've got plenty of cameras with better performance, control, ergonomics, etc. My iPhone4 works fine for snaps as well.
I'm not using the ipad for reading books or playing games either. So the crisper text isn't much of a benefit.
Played with an iPad2 and new ipad side by side today. I already own an iPad2 and am happy with it.
However, all the reviewers keep going on and on about how "jaw dropping" etc. the new screen is. And reviewer said if you have an iPad2 and are happy with it, just don't look at the new iPad and you'll be fine.
Seriously? I compared the two at length today. And although the screen is sharper for text, viewing photos isn't that huge a difference. I'm sorry, but it simply isn't. I've got a fairly keen eye and although I could see a bit more detail and slightly better color, I really don't get the "jaw-dropping" descriptions. Did all these reviewers get free ipads to say that?
My taste in imagery is for highly saturated images, and I've got a better than average aesthetic point of view. You can see the kind of work I do here: http://www.kaleidoscopeofcolor.com/galleria/
Honestly, if the camera is not a draw for me, and the speed improvements are mostly for gaming (which I don't do) And because I only use wifi... the screen alone is not enough of an improvement to upgrade as this point. I suppose if someone was giving one to me, I'd be raving about it too, but since I'd have to pay for one out of pocket... I really don't see the added value in the screen alone.
I don't really care about the ipad's camera. I don't/won't be using an ipad for still photos or video. I've got plenty of cameras with better performance, control, ergonomics, etc. My iPhone4 works fine for snaps as well.
I'm not using the ipad for reading books or playing games either. So the crisper text isn't much of a benefit.
Played with an iPad2 and new ipad side by side today. I already own an iPad2 and am happy with it.
However, all the reviewers keep going on and on about how "jaw dropping" etc. the new screen is. And reviewer said if you have an iPad2 and are happy with it, just don't look at the new iPad and you'll be fine.
Seriously? I compared the two at length today. And although the screen is sharper for text, viewing photos isn't that huge a difference. I'm sorry, but it simply isn't. I've got a fairly keen eye and although I could see a bit more detail and slightly better color, I really don't get the "jaw-dropping" descriptions. Did all these reviewers get free ipads to say that?
My taste in imagery is for highly saturated images, and I've got a better than average aesthetic point of view. You can see the kind of work I do here: http://www.kaleidoscopeofcolor.com/galleria/
Honestly, if the camera is not a draw for me, and the speed improvements are mostly for gaming (which I don't do) And because I only use wifi... the screen alone is not enough of an improvement to upgrade as this point. I suppose if someone was giving one to me, I'd be raving about it too, but since I'd have to pay for one out of pocket... I really don't see the added value in the screen alone.
Thanks for the clarification. I've been using a school supplied first gen iPad which really helps get my job done. My principal skipped the iPad 2 in favor of a big jump in the upgrade department and I'm expecting one of the new versions shortly I hope.
Which school in Texas do you go to that has a student-iPad program? I'm curious because the school I work for (Little Falls, MN) has a 1-1 program and think it's cool to see other districts doing this also!
I have viewed such iPad retina images on posts such as these on my iMac, MacBook Air and original iPad. While I can see some differences of posted photos, I can't see the Retina Hoopla because none of the screens I am using to look at those images are retina display devices.
So I guess my question is, if you can't view in retina and all its glory, why even post images stating such value? If I have a iPhone 4 or iPad 3 then sure I can see the difference but not having that capability, doesn't that make posting these photos mute.
Okay, now you can flame me... But I'm not being anti Apple just saying as I type this post from my MacBook Air that I don't see anything special with the crispness, sharpness, colors, look, feel etc. that those WITH a retina device do. So teh pics coming with this post touting the new iPad's retina screen does nothing for me. Unless someone can explain what I am missing...
But go Apple and your new iPad!
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I think you're missing...the new iPad?
I agree, it's frustrating. Its more rewarding when you can compare between two devices
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I can agree that it may not be worth upgrading from the 2. But display is more important to some people than it is to you. Especially the type of people who can discern color saturation and the like.
As for Samsung using it on the galaxy tab, I'm sure it'll happen eventually. But it'll be costly for quite some time because they can't garner the sales volumes to offset the cost.
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I think a good question would be asking the difference between creating and manufacturing. Were the specs and designs created by apple, then they hired Samsung to produce it?
Either way, if the retina display was all samsungs expertise, then I'm surprised they passed up the opportunity to put it on their own tablet first.
But yeah. Go Samsung.
Nope, not at all.
The color reproduction on this panel is excellent. What's not excellent is the fairly wide variation in white point, though again, that's not entirely clear, either. In any case, correct the white point variation and you're set. Accurate color reproduction is relative to the white point, meaning that you can have truly incredible color reproduction with the whole display shifted toward yellow, or blue, or pink, or green.
Samsung Display isn't really the same company. Even before the spinoff plans, they were effectively independent. Samsung also didn't design or develop this display. Apple did with Sharp, and this is probably derivative of Apple's massive investment in display technology about two years ago.
They won't ever use it in the Galaxy Tab. Apple isn't likely to share the technology. Samsung has probably been working on something similar on its own, and they may well use that, but this panel was not an off-the-shelf purchase by Apple.
Correct. Apple, in partnership with engineers and scientists from other companies, developed this display. Samsung was contracted to build it, and was probably paid a lot of money by Apple to develop the manufacturing processes required to serve the design.
Samsung's consumer electronics division, however, had not a thing to do with any of it.
First, you can't correct the white point, and likely never will be able to. And second, every iPad 3 I've tested (8, in fact) has had varying amounts of color cast, meaning if you could set the white point for the screen as a whole, it would not address the issue that some areas of the display are a wildly different color than other parts.
That's inherently untrue. The end user currently can't because iOS doesn't expose those settings without jailbreaking, but like any color-managed display system, the white point can be set. The major hurdles are unfixable hardware barriers, namely gamut, intensity, and gamma curve, all of which are brilliant on this panel.
For one, color cast is by definition uniform across the display. Beyond that, "wildly different color" is not only untrue (again, the shifts are due to reference whites, not color reproduction), but it is not something backed up by an appreciable sample size, nor does your anecdotal sample amount to anything.
Moreover, region-sensitive calibration to allow for adjustments to individual backlight LEDs is already mostly implemented.
Both of those issues fall squarely into the category of "minor tweak". It's just a matter of Apple deciding to support it and exposing the necessary adjustment tools in stock iOS. Virtually nothing need be done to the display itself.
Good question. The reasons are probably complex. This is not just a Samsung display, though Samsung is manufacturing it. Maybe Apple has licensed some IP from other companies needed to make the display. Apparently an Apple employee holds the patent for some of the display technology. I believe Hitachi is the holder if the original IPS technology. These are just suggestions. Probably Samsung could include this display if they went around and licensed the needed patents. Maybe Apple paid for some of the development so they they get exclusive use for a period of time such as one year.
I love to hate on Best Buy as much as the next person. They're awful for many, many reasons (insanely overpriced accessories, questionable "Geek Squad" marketing, fear-based sales, etc). But on this, Best Buy does no such thing, it even annoys some Best Buy employees who I know. Their (and most other retailers) distributor contracts require that the demo models be set according to the manufacturers specifications (either defaults or a demo mode/settings that are cranked up even worse than the defaults)
Also, in regards to the other posts on why Samsung makes these - Samsung has no reason to NOT manufacture for Apple. Apple's one of their biggest customers. Samsung's tablet market is TINY compared to their "selling parts to Apple" market. Quite the opposite, I find it amazing Samsung didn't just DROP competing directly in the tablet market to avoid risking their supplier relationship with Apple (though I'm sure the courts would be interested in that one too from a racketeering perspective or something). If Apple were to just stop buying from Samsung, that would hurt Samsung far worse than any Apple lawsuit and far worse than totally discontinuing all their tablets.