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Do I Really Need Tiger??
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7on said:I like that part...
Adding!!! Reading!!! who the hell does those
I'm getting Tiger for the searching (class notes that I type out will be easy to find) and upgraded OpenGl (improved 3D never hurt). Dashboard will rule. Been missing konfab since it raped my PB.
dotdotdot said:
um... you people are so frikin lazy. Why do I want a dictionary taking up space on my HD when I can get one of of the bookshelf? or god forbid I use dictionary.com. Basically all of this "amazing" and "innovative" features coming from Apple you can get other place and those will be a lot better. Get those twinkly stars out of your eyes and start to realize that Apple is simply putting a lot of bells and whistles on this OS and then declaring its the best thing EVER!
Southbridge said:
you're ignorant. The idea is that you have them readily available when you need them. Let's say i'm in class and i need to look up something. I don't have wifi, i don't have a dictionary (because i already carry around 900lbs of books now, adding a dictionary would surely suck), what's the best thing i could do? Oh yes, use Apple's dictionary built in to 10.4! It's not amazing or innovative but it's useful to me to have it there on my hard drive. It probably takes up about 10 megs tops so i'm not complaining when i have 30 gigs free on my 60 gig drive that i've been using for a year now.
Those bells and whistles make my life easier. I don't want a dictionary open all the time so i set it up to use dashboard... great, hit F8 or whatever and it's there, hit it again, it's gone. I'm in spanish class and need to look up a word real quick that isn't in my book or i can't find it, get the language translator widget out, look it up and get rid of dashboard until next time.
Spotlight, i save LOTS of documents as PDF's from stories i read online that i liked and may use for psychology, computer science or english homework/presentations, etc. Spotlight will allow me to look through and find what i'm looking for out the oh... 400+ PDF's taking up space in my documents folder.
Smart Folders alone are what excite me about 10.4
I download tv shows from some torrent sites, i'm willing to put money on Automator being able to download those torrents, and automatically load up my torrent client. Saves me some time there, double click the script, or let cron take care of it for me.
I'm not lazy, i have probably a lot more going on than you.
18 credits in college this semester, 18 last semester, 9 in the spring. I goto school 4 days a week, and work the other 3. In my spare time i prefer to relax a bit and not have to freakin do work. 10.4 seems to help me get things done faster so i can sit around and do nothing.
Again, it MIGH TNOT WORK FOR YOU. BUT IT DOES FOR OTHERS. stop being an ignorant a$$ munch and go away. This is the last time i respond to ANY of your posts. You've proven you're too stupid to understand the concept of "dont' buy it if it isn't for you" and that other people have been waiting for over a year to get this and love the features in it.
Southbridge said:
And you're such a troll...so I shouldn't be replying.
But...doesn't the Dashboard widget actually act as a front-end for a web-based dictionary? It's not like, when you add a weather widget in Dashboard, you're installing a meteorologist inside your computer!
I thought that part of the reason these widgets are written in scripting and html is that most of them act as fronts for content providers....Sherlock worked on the same premise.mkrishnan said:And you're such a troll...so I shouldn't be replying.
But...doesn't the Dashboard widget actually act as a front-end for a web-based dictionary? It's not like, when you add a weather widget in Dashboard, you're installing a meteorologist inside your computer!
i believe the dictionary is stored on the hard drive. at least i hope so since it would be nice to have a dictionary/theasurus when i don't have net access. It shouldn't be large though, maybe 10-20 megs tops. though it may update itself if a net connection is available. The reason a lot of the widgets are written in scripting languages is simply more people know how to program in them so you could get more developers on hand.
$10 to the first person who figures out how to take certain dashboard widgets and make them available on the desktop... i'd like the weather widget on the desktop.
and yes, this guy is a complete and utter troll.. a stupid one at that. Can't believe i've wasted my time even responding to him. I was hoping to leave the idiots behind when i switched to using a Mac.
Logik said:
It'd be nice to have a hybrid sort of one. I like how dictionary.com gives multiple sources, and also it would take into account language's changes (unless there *is* an auto-update feature!). I'm kinda high-maintenance in the requests I make of dictionaries, so I'm skeptical of ones that are on the hd. There are so many words the MS Word dictionary doesn't know. But then again, MS Word *already* has a dictionary with definitions and a thesaurus installed on most of our computers.
Oh, and hasn't the world changed when the "aren't you guys lazy" alternative is using dictionary.com and not getting a physical dictionary off a physical bookshelf?
Where would be without the net.... daveL said:
I've seen XP on some very old systems. I recently rebuilt my system after spending about five years with my last. I upgraded that OS to XP when it was released and many others were able to do the same on their system. In law school I've seen some pretty pitiful laptops running XP. People buy these things just to take their exams and for nothing else. Examsoft will not let you use a Mac at the moment so people get the cheapest machine possible for this. It's actually quite amazing. Of course XP is nothing to look at ... it's quite boring but it can be jazzed up to look like Tiger/Panther or whatever OS suits your fancy.
TigerPRO said:
Sorry, I don't use iCal, Address Book, iChat, DVD Player, Image Capture, Faxing, iSync, FileVault, or Labels at all.
My main Mail is setup on an older machine running Jaguar still, so if I'm missing out on that, it's my fault.
I've heard that Safari is better, but I rarely use it anymore, since I switched to Firefox on all my Macs and PCs.
I really should check out printing though, since there's some wierd thing on my Jaguar machine where printing takes way longer than from my PC, which may have been fixed in Panther (or Tiger).
I've only used Fast User Switching on other people's computers, not my own, since I don't share my computers with anyone else. I know I should use a non-admin account, but...
Jaguar does everything I need for Networking, Trash bin, Terminal and Energy Saver. If there's a difference with those in Panth, then I haven't noticed it.
So, yes, I could get maybe 2 or 3 more things out of Panther, but the truth is that I haven't bothered yet, because I'm just waiting to put Tiger on my Jaguar system, and leapfrog over Panther. Already though, I prefer using my Panther system over my Jaguar system, because more third party software works on Tiger than on Jaguar.
$95, but you have to wait and get the rebate in the mail. Presuming you do the right magic incantation to have Amazon validate your rebate and mail you the check. I think for the $4 difference, I'd pay the $99 price now. That is if one is not entitled to an educational discount from Apple.Logik said:
MarkCollette said:
Networking in Panther is way more enhanced with compadability and speed. That isn't really a feature though; more of an improvement. For the Trash Bin I was referring to the new "Secure Empty" feature. This may be completely meaningless to you, but in Panther, under "Energy Saver", you can set your Mac to ask for a password upon waking from. Additioanlly, now you can schedule startups, shutdowns, restarts, and sleeps.
TigerPRO said:
I don't put any sensetive information on my iBook, but I can definitely see the value, for others, to use Secure Empty. I remember writing my own secure delete command years ago... Although I've read that agencies like the FBI can still read the original data, because when the secure delete writes the ones and zeros, it's more recent than the original data, so the magnetic media still has a kind of ghosted trace of the original data. Perhapse if the filesystem could, every day at a scheduled time, rewrite over empty sections with random ones and zeros, and also rewrite valid files, in new locations, then over time things that you've securely deleted will truly be gone.
I know people still running OS 7 in ignorant bliss!SouthBridge said:
Mac's are renowened for lasting. My laptop is now over 4 years old, and shoud still run Tiger. I'll install it, and if it breaks I'll rollback to Panther again.
I have a friend with a PC laptop similar in age to mine - XP killed it! I am running 10.3, airport, bluetooth, usb 2 etc with speed and ease! I almost burst out laughing a while ago when I asked if i could do a BT transfer to my boss' laptop (a dell, newer then mine i think), he put the dongle in, and nothing happened!
Sure, iLife 06 etc probably won't have Pather support, but what's stopping you using iLife 05 for the rest of your life (or any other piece of software for that matter)? Unless internet protocol significantly changes, your machine should last you a decade or more if you simple froze what you have on your system now. What's to stop you doing that? So what if you've only got Office 2004 - it still works right!? It can't read the neural notes that office 2020 takes, but do you care!?
The real question you have to ask is how much being up to date is important to you at a personal level (not proffesional). How easily could you live with what you have right now for the next decade or more? (Hence the bragging thing)
It's a very personal thing deep down.
EDIT- When I look at this again what an idiotic point!! You have exaclty gone against your original post! Wonder if that machine will run longhorn, or the next thing before it becomes obsolete? Running Win 98 for 5 years is effectivley the same thing as running 10.3 for 5 years!!!
On a different tak -
10.3 wasn't 150 new features, it was 1 completely new OS! I installed it as a test first on my PB, and then HAD to put it on my iMac, it was so much better in every way. It wasn't this new feature or that, but the way it worked generally. It looked better, operated better, was more stable, more supportive, more flexible and easier to use.
This is the reason I have pre-ordered 10.4. I know I'm probably in store for a similar experience.
Tell me SouthBridge, did you go from 10.2 to 10.3? If so, how was it? If not, you really don't know what a first decimal place upgrade feels like or how much it's worth!
10.3 wasn't 150 new features, it was 1 completely new OS! I installed it as a test first on my PB, and then HAD to put it on my iMac, it was so much better in every way. It wasn't this new feature or that, but the way it worked generally. It looked better, operated better, was more stable, more supportive, more flexible and easier to use.
This is the reason I have pre-ordered 10.4. I know I'm probably in store for a similar experience.
Tell me SouthBridge, did you go from 10.2 to 10.3? If so, how was it? If not, you really don't know what a first decimal place upgrade feels like or how much it's worth!
MarkCollette said:
There's one for windows.. free in fact..
http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser/
you can have it overwrite empty sections of hard drive and schedule it.. you can drag and drop files and it then securely deletes it.. great app i used it at work to keep the nosey boss to mind his own business
Southbridge said:
Because a dictionary on the bookshelf takes up real, physical, valuable space whereas a digital dictionary doesn't. As well as it is a lot faster to type the word you want defined than it is to flip through pages. As well as you can copy and paste or use interactive programs to search words. Plus it means you don't have to get up and grab the dictionary when you're in the middle of reading something.
Southbridge said:
So what's the difference of using a web browser to search dictionary.com as opposed to Sherlock or in Dashboard, a widget?
Southbridge said:
So where else can I get an updated Kernel for Mac OS X?
Southbridge said:
Get those brown, stinky splotches out of your eyes and realize that's MARKETING! Apple does it, Microsoft does it, IBM does it, Sony does it, EVERYBODY does it! But after looking at the features on the web page and listening to people who INTELLIGENTLY discuss Tiger, I have come to my own conclusion that Tiger will be awesome. That's because I think for myself instead of being like some people who blindly believes everything Apple says or even worse, being somebody who blindly disbelieves everything that Apple says; because at least the person who believes will try it out and experience things. Those who blindly disbelieve will just sit at home and mope at their computer about how Tiger will never live up to Apple's hype and refuse to purchase it, and as a result, they won't experience anything better than what they already have.
Exactly the root of it! (Get the pun - root! hahaha ha... ha... hm)Maedus said:
It's a whole new OS based upon OS 10 core technology (UNIX etc.) and building on the EXPERIENCE from the previous releases. It is not, as you put it, that:
There has not been a first decimal release of OS X that has not greatly improved on the prior one.SouthBridge said:
Example:
10.0 - Ouch! Not a lot supported in hardware terms
10.1 - First really viable release
10.2 - Greater compatibilty, huge improvements in every area
10.3 - A lot more slick in some major ways. Very stable, some great "features" (expose, sidebar) faster on ALL machines (even my PB G3 500!)
It's almost inherent and impossible to describe. You just get the impression with each release that you're using a better, more user-centric system. I'm sure spotlight et al will greatly increse this feeling.
REMEMBER; they pretty much REBUILD the Kernel (core) of the OS with each release, and have done in Tiger's case more than in any other.
look. I'll be happy when someone says this switch to tiger is wholly unecessary and its really a push from the marketing department of apple (S. Jobs) who have decided to jumble some stuff together and fool the buying public into giving Apple money for a second rate product. Thats all.
Southbridge said:
Don't thik that way about a product you haven't tried!. Everyone who has tried the Tiger beta (which was less stable than the latest release of panther) say that they simply cannot return to Panther even in favor of stability.
How can you say that Apples product is second rate, since you haven't tried it?
If spotlight, automator, dashboard, quicktime etc do not mean anything to you, let me tell you something that will.
-Improved performance in all machines (and this is an OBJECTIVE opinion which has come up after a search in these forums... there is a whole topic about this)
-Technologies that will be widely used by developers in the future.
-Technologies that will be used by sound and video industry.
-Technologies that when they start to get widely used, you will be FORCED to upgrade.
Apple is not Microsoft. Staying up to date is important. And not just because Apple wants to maintain their market share, but also because every upgrade will make your life easier, too.
The way you say it, gives me the impression of a person who hates a specific company and will not buy their products just because he/she thinks that this ways he/she harms apple. Actually, you will eventually harm yourself.
My god man, have you read any of the posts!?Southbridge said:
There is a TON of work behind the new release. A whole new Kernel, and pretty much re-built system, NOT a "jumble" of stuff! This aint no windows 98 or anything!
It's a completely different OS really (does it have a different unix shell like Pahther did?)
Read the posts, I hate having to repeat myself!