FloatingBones, it's obvious that you only want to see what fits your view of Flash and nothing else.
Others (@baldimac) have noted your habit of projection in this thread.
You cite & find all kinds of support for your negative view when many of the exact same issues can be made with HTML5 right now.
When I note that John Nack, Adobe's Principal Product Manager, recommending that
Flash coders stop deploying flash and solely deploy HTML5, it is neither negative nor my personal point of view. It is a fact, and it comes from a leader of the company that supplies Flash.
For example, "Flash accessibility" could be "HTML5 accessibility" since most of the computers on the planet cannot currently handle HTML5.
Here's the disconnect in your reasoning, Hobe. New computers come with HTML5-compatible browsers and more users are updating to HTML5-compatible browsers every day. On the other hand, Flash will
never be able to deal with the accessibility widgets that are available on a variety of platforms.
Flash will always take a "lowest common denominator" approach. These are the most important reasons that Apple decided to make its
iOS devices -- all quarter-billion of them -- Flash-free.
To punctuate: these are not negative statements; they are statements of reality. They point to the architectural limitations of Adobe's approach with Shockwave/Flash. You may
perceive them as negative, but that doesn't mean what I'm saying actually
is negative.
This thread asks the question: "Do iPad Users still want Flash?"
And the answer is obvious: there will always be a faction of users who want Flash. What they can't quite understand is how the performance of iOS devices would be fundamentally compromised by this change. I'm not talking about resource consumption or security issues. In this conversation, I am talking solely about the accessibility issue.
If we started a thread that asked the question:
"Does everyone want every webpage to be accessible to all?" I'm sure we would also get many enthusiastically agreeing with that idea. But there's a little nit:
Flash is fundamentally incompatible with accessibility.
Note: this is not a negative statement; it is a simple statement of fact. The design of Flash excludes accessibility.
As an iPad user I say, YES, I still want the personal option to install a Flash player on my own iPad.
The OP never said anything about Flash in the browser. If the OP has some burning need for particular Flash apps, there's an easy way to get them: ask the developer to cross-compile them and put them in the App Store. Flash apps started showing up over a month ago in the App Store; one of the first was politifact.
If there really are a bunch of world-class Flash apps, why haven't we seen a "gold rush" of such apps in the App Store? My guess is that there really isn't a huge pent up demand for those Flash apps on iOS devices.
That's not saying I want to force my want onto your iPad just like it makes little sense for you to try to force your want onto mine. I would like to have that option to make my iPad even more useful to ME than it is now.
Your blind spot keeps showing up in this discussion.
Flash can't hack accessibility; the presence of Flash on the web denies a huge swath of the public access to the "full web experience". The presence of a quarter-billion-and-growing devices that are Flash-free should serve as a wake-up call to website owners:
You will be shut out of a vast segment of [financially attractive] users until you stop using Flash. Apple's fantastically successful Flash-free iOS devices will be a major force to remove Flash from
all websites. All accessibility-challenged individuals will benefit from this expungement.
As is now, I happen to work with lots of companies that have various forms of Flash media needs. When I'm traveling, I sometimes need to be able to see their stuff. If I could have an optional player on the iPad it would be good enough to cover most of my needs when traveling. Instead, I have to bring the laptop along almost solely to cover this one need "just in case." There should be a complete solution app for that.
Did you read what
Adobe's John Nack said about that?
Except this ONE thing. And that is merely by company choice rather than because it can't work on this hardware. You feeling differently is fine. This is not about forcing Flash onto your iDevice.
You are right; it is not. It is about forcing Flash off of
our Internet. Apple's bold initiative and quarter-billion devices has lit the metaphorical fire under your seat. The fire makes you uncomfortable; I think that's good. If will make you -- the plural you -- work faster to allow everyone to have the "full web experience".
In the future, please drop the "you are being negative" nonsense. Neither of us are being negative; we simply have different points of view. I don't always agree with Apple, but I feel strongly they are right on target on this one. Thanks, Hobe.
According to [the video from John Nack's blog] the [Adobe] tool can not export filters, blending, animated masks and most importantly ActionScript code. So the things that give flash its greatest versatility, and ironically AS3 is what reduces its resource demands, do not translate over.
But nevertheless Adobe is indeed recommending that you ditch Flash on your websites. This is something you should sort out with Adobe. Has the tool's capabilities been updated since Adobe previewed it last October? Is Adobe recommending that you prune some of the bells and whistles from your code? I'm certain that Wallaby is being extensively discussed on Adobe's website and others.
One other thing: let me be the first to say that I am shocked, shocked to hear that someone is underwhelmed by the performance of an Adobe product.
@darn: how about your website? Can you cross-compile your homepage into HTML5?
Do you care to update your definition of Adobe's "full internet experience"/"full web experience" phrase:
Full interent is not marketing, it is the entire internet. Its viewing any site you want without having to resort to work arounds.
way lol.
