DO NOT suggest the SSD... why?

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  1. twist2b macrumors regular

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    Did you read the entire article? The chips have a limited number of read/write cycles, yes, but will almost certainly outlast any traditional HDD.
     
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    While true, a SSD will fail, I find that the durability of a SSD is much better than that of a hard drive, seeing as most of what the hard drive does is store data. Especially as seen in the MBA and similar computers, the SSD is not written to frequently, and I bet that it will take quite a while for each memory cell to undergo 100,000 or so writes, certainly well outside the usable life of the computer.


    Also, the article uses MB (as in megabyte) instead of GB (as in gigabyte), so essentially he said he'll pay $500 for 128 megabytes, that being not a lot nowadays, seeing as an 8 Gb flash drive is $50. Whatever, we get the point :p
     
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    Both effectively have limited life spans... The real point about SSDs is that they are a lot less susceptible to shock damage (no moving parts).

    Having said that they are still very expensive per GB!
     
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    I worry about any type of failures on the Hard Drives. I keep multiple back ups but when something fails, its really bad.
     
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    And we will be seeing more SSD type devices in laptops in the future, is my guess.

    Exactly why they are good for laptop computers.

    Very important for portable use.

    Always good to backup your data on a regular basis.
     
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    right now, that isnt true at all, in the future (like a year or 2) it will be MUCH faster

    SSD as a hardrive is still in in infancy
     
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    They are faster at SOME tasks right now - but not far off they will be far superior and far far cheaper. Remember, SSDs really are the future. They will eventually unify the RAM and storage functions!
     
  10. twist2b thread starter macrumors regular

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    Yes, this is a theory. NOT been proven. You have to look closely:
    "He added that if a failure ever does occur, it will not occur in the flash chip itself but in the controller."
    who knows how good the controller could be. Also this is not super tested equipment, so who knows whats going to happen within a 3 year period. If it went down in price, I would be ALL for it! But who knows if its really worth it right now.
     
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    Sorry but anything from ZDnet is just sketchy.
     
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    I do. The answer is of course it's not worth it. SSD is new tech, and as such it's initial costs are very high. As production ramps up, and it already is, the price will fall.

    People that bought the SSD model hopefully did so because they simply have the money to do so rather than on the basis of benchmarks. For example if you check out the Ars Tech review, there is no sane person that would say those difference can justify the price difference.
     
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    No, however, having something with no moving parts is quite nice. ;)
     
  14. twist2b thread starter macrumors regular

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    agreed, gives ALOT more juice and battery life = extended



    but still worried.
     
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    That's marketing my friend.

    99.999% of laptops across the board up to this point have used traditional HDD without problem.

    They have to highlight some features that distinguish SSD from regular HDD otherwise who would pay more?
     
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    That isn't supported by 3rd party benchmarks, can you please provide your reference?
     
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    well yes it is marketing, but its also reassuring in a way to know that you wont somehow end up damaging a HDD platter with a little bump or twist while moving your laptop. also, the battery advantages that will become more apparant as the tech grows out of infancy will make it more than worth it in the end.

    Hard drives MAY be a dying breed.
     
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    Sure, but now you're just saying what I've already said. It isn't worth it now, but will be in the future.

    You should read the Ars review carefully, especially the section on the disappointing difference in battery life, since it seems you're pretty misguided.
     
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    Of course they're a dying breed, and SSD will eventually replace all HDD, but the timeline for that far outlasts the lifecycle of the Air.

    The point about bumps etc is pretty invalid. There are hundreds of millions of HDD laptops out there (billions?) and if minor bumps or twists caused HDD failure they certainly wouldn't be as successful as they are.
     
  20. twist2b thread starter macrumors regular

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    Wikipedia has a list I had read before showing the diff between the 1.6 HDD to the 1.8 SSD and it was clear. I will try to find it.

    ALSO every person that I have talked to about the diffrence has said that the 1.6 HDD takes 45-50 seconds to boot meanwhile the 1.8 SSD takes 17-23 seconds.

    yes, clocked and tested. Not companies, but people I know. Still the evidence is clear if you read information on this.

    edit - also the 5 hour life has NOT been proven....... ever with the HDD
    meanwhile if you are using SSD it can last to very close to 5 hours, WHY? Because no moving parts saves power consumption, no movement and also it knows were the data is instantly.
     
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    ;) read carefully me friend, the bumps thing i stated is, to me at least, i kind of piece of mind thing even if its completely unfounded.

    also most of what ive said pertains to the FUTURE of SSD and not the air specifically
     
  22. wordy macrumors regular

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    I'm almost certain your boot up stats are correct, but I fail to see how this relates to your original statement which was about battery life: "gives ALOT more juice and battery life = extended"

    LOL and I'd trust a company over your friends anyday. I've read a crapload of reviews and I think your remarks are either pure BS or misguided optimism - either way they're simply incorrect. Anyhow, please provide the source, thanks.
     
  23. twist2b thread starter macrumors regular

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    exactly, the new 256 GB SSD is to big to fit in the Macbook air as of right now. The price is still high for this type of drive to be used on many computers but when price cuts are do-able then I think it will be pushed.... HARD. Like blueray and HD.
     
  24. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    yes as tech advances it tends to trickle down into the products we use everday. although i see SSD's becoming big way sooner than a full scale adoption/acceptance of HD
     
  25. twist2b thread starter macrumors regular

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    NO, I said the SSD NOT the batter gives alot more juice and battery life
    when I say juice I meant processing speed on the drive.

    proof that battery life is better:
    http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/14/macbook-air-ssd-vs-hdd-battery-life-revisted/

    proof that the SSD is FASTER!
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/11/macbook_air_face_off_hdd_vs_ssd_with_video.html

    remmember that the SSD is still freakishly expensive and lower Drive space, but still!
     

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