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Do or Die for Apple in July ...
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Re: one more thing.
LOL, i don't even know how to respond to your posts. you certainly buy a lot of computers. you got a new 2.2 p4, a new 800mhz tibook and you're about to buy a new desktop.
so can we see some of these high-end rendering and video editing?
LOL, i don't even know how to respond to your posts. you certainly buy a lot of computers. you got a new 2.2 p4, a new 800mhz tibook and you're about to buy a new desktop.
so can we see some of these high-end rendering and video editing?
Inhale! maybe you should EXHALE!
Inhale~
Its kind of sad that you dont know how to respond to my posts, they're rather simple ones! Perhaps there are too complicated for you.
Let me explain to you.
Yes, I have a lot of computers.
I do my work on computers and I buy new units often! Very often
I have a new iMac, a new Ti 800, a P4 2.2, two iPods, 3 freakin lcds, Four guitars, a marshall half stack, 3 synths, the newest is the Korg Karma!
oh yea, my electronic drum kit, yum!
2 GL1 cameras with all the works, I should have gotten the XL1's.
ohhh man, I got it all, Xbox, playstation2......Everything, and if i dont have it, I am getting it!
I like computers and electronics!
I will grab the powermac as soon as it comes out!
Boom! Mine!
NO muss no fuss, I buy what i want, well almost, that new BMW is still about 6 months away. But i am about to break that barrier, big time.
Christ , you should see my girlfriend, a true beauty!
Whats it to you? We all cant be losers scrambling to get a few dimes together to buy an old unit. You dont know who your talking to.
Strange that you find my posts SO confusing, maybe you should pay more attention to what you do with your time then you wouldnt find such simple truths so mind blowing.
As for seeing all my high end rendering and video, damn boy. You see it all the time!
You just too busy being in awe and wishing. Why would I credit you with an audience? I have no need to prove or establish myself to a headless groaner on a mac board, sheesh.
How lame can you go?
As for Xp, you must certainly be oblivious to the obvious if your actually defending the stability of XP. Talk about picking a losing battle on a Mac board, this alone betrays the fact the your handle INHALE is referring to the copious and deadly amounts of grass you must be never Exhaling!
Xp is invasive. Here are a few obvious ways that have eluded your vision.
~50 digit serial Auth via phone or the net. That was insane!@
~Xp sends information to M$ servers behind users back.
~Netpassport! ever try to get rid of that crap.
~Explorers methods of collecting data on users.
Hello they are in court for the business practices, where the hell have you been? Get out of your 2*4 living room and check out reality.
~The most recent fiasco is hotmails attack on its users,although not Xp, it betrays what is going on in Xp everytime you go to M$ for a system check.
I could go on, but its all known by others on this board, I am afraid that you are the only one that is unaware of this or the reasons that we all use macs.
Blow away bubble head, before I burst you!
< This was a public service announcement, we now return you to your regular programming>
Inhale~
Its kind of sad that you dont know how to respond to my posts, they're rather simple ones! Perhaps there are too complicated for you.
Let me explain to you.
Yes, I have a lot of computers.
I do my work on computers and I buy new units often! Very often
I have a new iMac, a new Ti 800, a P4 2.2, two iPods, 3 freakin lcds, Four guitars, a marshall half stack, 3 synths, the newest is the Korg Karma!
oh yea, my electronic drum kit, yum!
2 GL1 cameras with all the works, I should have gotten the XL1's.
ohhh man, I got it all, Xbox, playstation2......Everything, and if i dont have it, I am getting it!
I like computers and electronics!
I will grab the powermac as soon as it comes out!
Boom! Mine!
NO muss no fuss, I buy what i want, well almost, that new BMW is still about 6 months away. But i am about to break that barrier, big time.
Christ , you should see my girlfriend, a true beauty!
Whats it to you? We all cant be losers scrambling to get a few dimes together to buy an old unit.
You dont know who your talking to.Strange that you find my posts SO confusing, maybe you should pay more attention to what you do with your time then you wouldnt find such simple truths so mind blowing.
As for seeing all my high end rendering and video, damn boy. You see it all the time!
You just too busy being in awe and wishing. Why would I credit you with an audience? I have no need to prove or establish myself to a headless groaner on a mac board, sheesh.
How lame can you go?
As for Xp, you must certainly be oblivious to the obvious if your actually defending the stability of XP. Talk about picking a losing battle on a Mac board, this alone betrays the fact the your handle INHALE is referring to the copious and deadly amounts of grass you must be never Exhaling!
Xp is invasive. Here are a few obvious ways that have eluded your vision.
~50 digit serial Auth via phone or the net. That was insane!@
~Xp sends information to M$ servers behind users back.
~Netpassport! ever try to get rid of that crap.
~Explorers methods of collecting data on users.
Hello they are in court for the business practices, where the hell have you been? Get out of your 2*4 living room and check out reality.
~The most recent fiasco is hotmails attack on its users,although not Xp, it betrays what is going on in Xp everytime you go to M$ for a system check.
I could go on, but its all known by others on this board, I am afraid that you are the only one that is unaware of this or the reasons that we all use macs.
Blow away bubble head, before I burst you!
< This was a public service announcement, we now return you to your regular programming>
uhh adoption ?
well ericb88~
that depends on wether or not your a beautiful woman with ample endowments. But considering that your name is Eric, I am afraid that I have my hands full at the moment with assorted other potential adoptions.
Rest assured that I shall keep you in mind.
And to keep in the vein of the thread...
Inhale~ I do not call photoshop a warez app. It bought and paid for and i have lost count the number of times it bailed out because of XP.
On a happy note, I am really looking forward to the new QE, that with the new and I am hoping for 1.4 which I think is a possibility, speed bumps.
But i feel that DDR ram is of the greatest importance.
Must feed the CPUproperly in order for it to grow into a nice and healthly G5.
Sorry, I said the bad word, G5.
Opps said it again, damn it.
well ericb88~
that depends on wether or not your a beautiful woman with ample endowments. But considering that your name is Eric, I am afraid that I have my hands full at the moment with assorted other potential adoptions.
Rest assured that I shall keep you in mind.
And to keep in the vein of the thread...
Inhale~ I do not call photoshop a warez app. It bought and paid for and i have lost count the number of times it bailed out because of XP.
On a happy note, I am really looking forward to the new QE, that with the new and I am hoping for 1.4 which I think is a possibility, speed bumps.
But i feel that DDR ram is of the greatest importance.
Must feed the CPUproperly in order for it to grow into a nice and healthly G5.
Sorry, I said the bad word, G5.
Opps said it again, damn it.
I Concur
I agree with Recoil, Apple has a state-of-the-art Operating System, but they don't have turbo engine to push it!!! For instance, I have a Tibook 400, and I love it!! but when it comes to the internet, my Celeron 750mhz notebook blows it out of the water!!!! And when it comes to my Athlon XP 1700, there is no comparison! I hope Jaguar takes care of this problem!!!
I agree with Recoil, Apple has a state-of-the-art Operating System, but they don't have turbo engine to push it!!! For instance, I have a Tibook 400, and I love it!! but when it comes to the internet, my Celeron 750mhz notebook blows it out of the water!!!! And when it comes to my Athlon XP 1700, there is no comparison! I hope Jaguar takes care of this problem!!!
Terminate Motorola
This message is for the people that works on 1 infinate loop, Cupertino, Ca, Ummm... Heres a bright ideal..... Trash Motorola, they are holding you back!!! AMD is the wave of the future!!!! My Athlon XP 1700 out preforms every computer in my house, and I have a lot of computers!!! I wish I had the XP 1700 in my Tibook!!! Even if the G5's come out in July... AMD will have something out to counteract Intel's Northwood B 2.53 Ghz/ 533 bus. Also OS X is the the best operating system in the world, so Apple has to take advantage of it!!
This message is for the people that works on 1 infinate loop, Cupertino, Ca, Ummm... Heres a bright ideal..... Trash Motorola, they are holding you back!!! AMD is the wave of the future!!!! My Athlon XP 1700 out preforms every computer in my house, and I have a lot of computers!!! I wish I had the XP 1700 in my Tibook!!! Even if the G5's come out in July... AMD will have something out to counteract Intel's Northwood B 2.53 Ghz/ 533 bus. Also OS X is the the best operating system in the world, so Apple has to take advantage of it!!
Re: Terminate Motorola
i wonder how much work it would take on amd's part to retool a processor for apple's os x?
i wonder how much work it would take on amd's part to retool a processor for apple's os x?
spaceghost,
I have enough money that I don't need to be "employed" or "unemployed" for the rest of my life . I just work on music .
There are programs that do not run under ProTools TDM . I do not have enough native dsp power to run the native plugins . I own a G4 500mhz . How can you call me a PC troll If I don't even own a PC . I know that it's not apple with the chip problem . It's really Moto . I love OSX . Even thought PT does not support it yet . I just need more native dsp power for programs like reaktor and a few others . I am going to buy a dual 2Ghz AMD clawhammer for native software only and lock it up with PT on my mac . Not unless moto can get a 1.4 or 1.5Ghz chip out in july . I just need more native dsp power and I hope moto can show me in july .
I bet that steve jobs is not a happy camper about moto . There holding Apple back and there holding me back as well . It's no longer do or die for apple . It's do or die for Moto!
I have enough money that I don't need to be "employed" or "unemployed" for the rest of my life . I just work on music .
There are programs that do not run under ProTools TDM . I do not have enough native dsp power to run the native plugins . I own a G4 500mhz . How can you call me a PC troll If I don't even own a PC . I know that it's not apple with the chip problem . It's really Moto . I love OSX . Even thought PT does not support it yet . I just need more native dsp power for programs like reaktor and a few others . I am going to buy a dual 2Ghz AMD clawhammer for native software only and lock it up with PT on my mac . Not unless moto can get a 1.4 or 1.5Ghz chip out in july . I just need more native dsp power and I hope moto can show me in july .
I bet that steve jobs is not a happy camper about moto . There holding Apple back and there holding me back as well . It's no longer do or die for apple . It's do or die for Moto!
Re: Re: Terminate Motorola
It would take some work, but I think we would see a huge difference in computing power!!
It would take some work, but I think we would see a huge difference in computing power!!
Here are the chances of that happening.
Zip, ziltch, nadda, no way, hell no, zero, slim and none, and slim just died.
It ain't going to happen. Dual 1.4's no 1.5's. That is what it will be. Come back in July and same damn B2TM. You were right.
The whole 2nd computer for DSP idea is a good one!
I take it you're using a Digi001 or AMIII card with Protools LE on your mac at present ?
I've been hooked on protools since Protools Free came out, I got an AMIII card with Protools LE around christmas and I love it apart from the slowness of my mac running it. I've thought about getting a PC as DSP monster for running software synths myself but I think I'd probably find it too distracting because of the noise of 2 computers being on at the same time. Plus, anything goes wrong with a PC and I havn't got the first clue how to sort it out.
Are you a producer by the way ?
To literally make a living from writing my own music is only a dream for me, something I'd love to do in the future though.
I spend so much time putting up with "DAE error, Reduce the number of plug-ins" type errors or software synths totally hosing my mac when the CPU reaches it's limit that I rarely end up finishing anything. I either totally lose my original concept for the tune while I do loads of submixes to free up CPU time or I just get so frustrated with my lack of DSP power than I just archive the session onto CD and hope I can get a mac fast enough to finish it on one day. I am only on a beige G3 so I'm at even more of a disadvantage with such a slow machine.
I NEED at least a 1Ghz G4 for my next mac, I know it's not unrealistic to expect the entry level model to be at 1Ghz at MWNY, if I can get a mac that performs at least 4 or 5 times faster at protools than my current one and has enough CPU power left to run software synths confortably, I'll be happy with it. I don't know about the software synth performance of an 800Mhz G4 but I know if you're just using RTAS plug-ins and nothing else it's over 4 times faster than my G3. Throw a few of the increasingly complex software synths into the mix and I'd pretty much need a 1.4Ghz G4 if I wanted to be sure it wouldn't run out of DSP power. There's all kinds of software synths that could bring any mac to it's knees at present, physical modelling, grainularsynthesis, it's just insane that all those potential instruments are available and yet there's nothing out there yet that I'd be confident I could use them on comfortably. Plus, I can't afford to buy a new mac every year so I want something fast enough for me to cope with for maybe 2 years before some software package or other comes out that won't run on it.
I take it you're using a Digi001 or AMIII card with Protools LE on your mac at present ?
I've been hooked on protools since Protools Free came out, I got an AMIII card with Protools LE around christmas and I love it apart from the slowness of my mac running it. I've thought about getting a PC as DSP monster for running software synths myself but I think I'd probably find it too distracting because of the noise of 2 computers being on at the same time. Plus, anything goes wrong with a PC and I havn't got the first clue how to sort it out.
Are you a producer by the way ?
To literally make a living from writing my own music is only a dream for me, something I'd love to do in the future though.
I spend so much time putting up with "DAE error, Reduce the number of plug-ins" type errors or software synths totally hosing my mac when the CPU reaches it's limit that I rarely end up finishing anything. I either totally lose my original concept for the tune while I do loads of submixes to free up CPU time or I just get so frustrated with my lack of DSP power than I just archive the session onto CD and hope I can get a mac fast enough to finish it on one day. I am only on a beige G3 so I'm at even more of a disadvantage with such a slow machine.
I NEED at least a 1Ghz G4 for my next mac, I know it's not unrealistic to expect the entry level model to be at 1Ghz at MWNY, if I can get a mac that performs at least 4 or 5 times faster at protools than my current one and has enough CPU power left to run software synths confortably, I'll be happy with it. I don't know about the software synth performance of an 800Mhz G4 but I know if you're just using RTAS plug-ins and nothing else it's over 4 times faster than my G3. Throw a few of the increasingly complex software synths into the mix and I'd pretty much need a 1.4Ghz G4 if I wanted to be sure it wouldn't run out of DSP power. There's all kinds of software synths that could bring any mac to it's knees at present, physical modelling, grainularsynthesis, it's just insane that all those potential instruments are available and yet there's nothing out there yet that I'd be confident I could use them on comfortably. Plus, I can't afford to buy a new mac every year so I want something fast enough for me to cope with for maybe 2 years before some software package or other comes out that won't run on it.
I don't do audio editing, but...
....I do do graphics work, specifically 3D, with occasional forays into After Effects & Photoshop land. Call me a PC troll because I criticize the Mac till your heart's content, but the Mac simply does not compete with AMD's hardware. There were recent tests performed by benchmarkers and one performed by Charlie White (yes, a known PC troll) comparing the fastest Mac (a dual-GHz G4 with a dual-1.5GHz Athlon--note, not the fastest AMD chip out there). The Polywell workstation bested the Mac in all six tests by approximately the same proportions as the difference in their clock speeds (i.e., ~1/3 more). So you see, it's not just audio that's revealing the Mac's inadequacies, and the virtue of clock speed is not necessarily a myth.
I believe the problem is not just the Moto processors, but also the OS (X), which needs continued refinement and streamlining. But the thing is, I've been hearing that OS X and the PPC are going to send the Mac soaring over its competition for the past several years now. But the exact opposite's been happening.
Will the Mac die this July if its hardware isn't up to hopes and fantasies? That's being a tad melodramatic. Individuals may leave the platform, of course. But if Apple ever does die, it will be gradual, not sudden due to unwelcome announcements at an expo. But honestly, as a long-time Mac fan, I too am losing patience with the ineptness of Mac performance vs. its x86 competition.
I am going to be buying a used, single-1.8GHz Athlon system this week. I will be installing either 2000 or XP on it, buying about 512MB DDR-RAM (more if I can get it cheap), and a GF3 Ti200 card. I will use it for the study and practice of various 3D apps I wish to add to my repertoire. It will be my first PC ever (altho my first non-Mac was an ancient SGI Indigo 2 Extreme). I will be comparing the user experience between it and my Mac (an old B&W G3 running both 9 & X). Of course, speed comparisons would not be fair. This is for ease-of-use comparisons, etc. Depending on how I fare with this Athlon system, I may either leave the Mac or cling to it more than ever.
Of course, the ideal situation would be to own a PC (desktop) *and* a Mac (laptop), having the best (and worst) of both worlds at my fingertips. Unfortunately, financial realities force me to make a choice between the two--as is the case for many in this thread.
....I do do graphics work, specifically 3D, with occasional forays into After Effects & Photoshop land. Call me a PC troll because I criticize the Mac till your heart's content, but the Mac simply does not compete with AMD's hardware. There were recent tests performed by benchmarkers and one performed by Charlie White (yes, a known PC troll) comparing the fastest Mac (a dual-GHz G4 with a dual-1.5GHz Athlon--note, not the fastest AMD chip out there). The Polywell workstation bested the Mac in all six tests by approximately the same proportions as the difference in their clock speeds (i.e., ~1/3 more). So you see, it's not just audio that's revealing the Mac's inadequacies, and the virtue of clock speed is not necessarily a myth.
I believe the problem is not just the Moto processors, but also the OS (X), which needs continued refinement and streamlining. But the thing is, I've been hearing that OS X and the PPC are going to send the Mac soaring over its competition for the past several years now. But the exact opposite's been happening.
Will the Mac die this July if its hardware isn't up to hopes and fantasies? That's being a tad melodramatic. Individuals may leave the platform, of course. But if Apple ever does die, it will be gradual, not sudden due to unwelcome announcements at an expo. But honestly, as a long-time Mac fan, I too am losing patience with the ineptness of Mac performance vs. its x86 competition.
I am going to be buying a used, single-1.8GHz Athlon system this week. I will be installing either 2000 or XP on it, buying about 512MB DDR-RAM (more if I can get it cheap), and a GF3 Ti200 card. I will use it for the study and practice of various 3D apps I wish to add to my repertoire. It will be my first PC ever (altho my first non-Mac was an ancient SGI Indigo 2 Extreme). I will be comparing the user experience between it and my Mac (an old B&W G3 running both 9 & X). Of course, speed comparisons would not be fair. This is for ease-of-use comparisons, etc. Depending on how I fare with this Athlon system, I may either leave the Mac or cling to it more than ever.
Of course, the ideal situation would be to own a PC (desktop) *and* a Mac (laptop), having the best (and worst) of both worlds at my fingertips. Unfortunately, financial realities force me to make a choice between the two--as is the case for many in this thread.
Re: Do or Die for Apple in July ...
By that time, January, before AMD starts mass producing the chips for consumers, Apple will have the G5's out, which are VERY VERY VERY similiar to the Hammers. it does kind of the same thing... PPC-32/PPC-64bit. and will have RAPIDIO wich is just as fast as HyperTransport, and hopefully AGP 8x... we might even see AGP 8x in july... who knows... Apple is ahead of the game.
Ohh yeah... Do you guys know that an 800mhz Hammer outperforms a 1.6GHZ Athlon XP(2000+) and a 1.6GHZ P4?? ohh yeah... also, that 800mhz chip isnt even final... and they are expected to come out in 2ghz flavors(just like the G5's)
You know, i think moto/Apple/AMD have been working on the G5's, AMD could be lending lots of hammer technology to Moto.
umm... we all know about the hammers... but they are only producing 10,000 of them , and its coming out in december, they are going to make 10,000 then stop, each chip will cost like $800+. by June, they will start really producing the chips for the mass market ok? not to mention that each chip costs like $800 + $800 mono?? hmm... 1600 just for that... and how much does DDR333 or DDR533 cost??
By that time, January, before AMD starts mass producing the chips for consumers, Apple will have the G5's out, which are VERY VERY VERY similiar to the Hammers. it does kind of the same thing... PPC-32/PPC-64bit. and will have RAPIDIO wich is just as fast as HyperTransport, and hopefully AGP 8x... we might even see AGP 8x in july... who knows... Apple is ahead of the game.
Ohh yeah... Do you guys know that an 800mhz Hammer outperforms a 1.6GHZ Athlon XP(2000+) and a 1.6GHZ P4?? ohh yeah... also, that 800mhz chip isnt even final... and they are expected to come out in 2ghz flavors(just like the G5's)
You know, i think moto/Apple/AMD have been working on the G5's, AMD could be lending lots of hammer technology to Moto.
Re: SPEC-faults
what happened to r300?Originally posted by spuncan
I've never examined the Spec testing closely but my guess is that intel made it so there chips do very well by incorperating the parts needed to get outstanding scores to impress techies. I read a PC sites review (anandtech) of the P4 they said the 2.4ghz model was equivalent to a 1.7ghz PIII (impossible to create but is equivalent) I think hmm the G4 would be much faster that a G3 along with a Athlon/Duron test. As for apple they desperately need to kick moto's @$$ into gear. Or get a new CPU company to compete against the moto chips (still using altivec)
Last Rev.G4 MWNY
1.0,1.2,1.4GHZ G4 CPU
Nvidia radeon 8500,4mx,4 ti GPU
DDR Ram same spec as server (233mhz (rambus same speed as my cpu
Rest of Mobo same as the Xserver.
G5 Rev. A MWSF
1.4,1.6,1.8 GHZ
Nvidia radeon 8500,4mx,4 ti GPU
DDR Ram (266mhz 2.1ghz max) (CPU Integrated
64-32 bit hybrid
PCI-X
Rapid IO
.13soi
Symmetric Processors
Re: I don't do audio editing, but...
Uhh??? There is no 1.8Ghz Athlon XP chip!!!!
The fastest XP chip is the 2200+ which operates at 1.73 Ghz!!!
Uhh??? There is no 1.8Ghz Athlon XP chip!!!!
The fastest XP chip is the 2200+ which operates at 1.73 Ghz!!!
Re: Re: I don't do audio editing, but...
I suppose he ment an 1800+ AMD chip but did not realise the the 1800 does not meen 1800Mhz (1.8Ghz)
Re: AMD's numbering system..
Apple could do the same thing as AMD (dont kill me). They could say like 1200+ for the 1Ghz, or whatever it is compared to a Pentium. Thats how apple should advertise. I mean, whoever that guy was thought AMD 1800 wer 1.8 Ghz. Apple could trick other people the same way.
Originally posted by jaykk
Why cant apple follow AMD's path - calling the fasterst chip 2200+ which operates at 1.73 Ghz!!! Why cant apple get rid of MHZ myth and just give us G5 whatever the chip may be
Apple could do the same thing as AMD (dont kill me). They could say like 1200+ for the 1Ghz, or whatever it is compared to a Pentium. Thats how apple should advertise. I mean, whoever that guy was thought AMD 1800 wer 1.8 Ghz. Apple could trick other people the same way.