Do skins like ghost armor cause more heat on MacBook pros?

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  1. mgsnat75 macrumors member

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    Like the title says, I have put on clear ghost armor on my retina Mac top and bottom and have noticed it heat up a little more than usual unless the hot weather is the factor which were I live has been very hot lately. The vents and everything are not obstructed either. Thanks for your input.
     
  2. Swayzee macrumors member

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    I would like to know the answer to this as well. There is an ongoing debate on people saying it does or it doesnt, but i have yet to see anyone actually run test on the heat without the skin and with the skin. I understand that some people say that the macbooks casing is inadvertently used as a heat sink to allow heat to dissipate. However, i dont recall apple ever stating this. Has anyone run any actual test with and without a skin on their mbpr?
     
  3. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    No, they don't impede dissipation enough to cause concern or problems.
     
  4. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    No, this is incorrect. Calling it a "debate" implies that both sides have more or less equally valid viewpoints on the matter. The facts are very clear - Apple machines are very good at dissipating heat through their built-in vents. The outer casings are not purpose-built heat sinks, so "covering" them with a case has virtually no impact on the thermal characteristics of your machine and certainly won't affect performance or functionality.
     
  5. AZREOSpecialist macrumors 68000

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    From a purely theoretical standpoint, any insulating material applied to the outside of your MacBook Pro will trap heat. Whether that will cause problems for the internal components is unknown. However, if you are engaged in heavy gaming, your MBP case will become quite "warm". That heat will be effectively trapped with an insulating skin. I presume if that increases the internal temps, the fans will have to work harder.
     
  6. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    Heat won't be "trapped". It will still dissipate heat through the skin, but not as quickly as without a skin. It won't make enough difference to affect operation.
     
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    Both of you please link to the studies showing this. Until then, it is very much still a topic for "debate." Logic would dictate any kind of casing inhibits heat dissipation through the case. How much that impacts long term reliability is still an unknown.

    To be clear here, I have no idea if putting a casing on a Macbook has any long term consequences as I have no study showing this to be the case. But absent a study showing there is no adverse effect, you should stop acting like you are some sort of authority on the matter.

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    Exactly.
     
  8. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    Point to a single case of a Mac notebook overheating caused by having a skin installed. There are none. If you pay attention to the dozens of threads in this forum on heat issues, you would know that having skins may increase temps by a few degrees, no more. It doesn't take a "study" to figure this out.
    You don't have to be an authority to state the obvious fact that having a skin does not cause overheating or even significant increases in temps. You have zero evidence to contradict such facts.
     
  9. miles01110 macrumors Core

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    No, it is not.

    That's not the point of contention.

    Actually it's quite well known. The number of cases in which "prolonged heat" generated from normal or even intensive use over a typical computer's lifetime (3-5 years) are vanishingly small.

    Certain people are smarter than others. I do not care if you disagree with me, because I am correct. Knowledge is a heavy burden, to be sure.
     
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    My point is you are stating this as a fact and you are really just making an assumption. I have no idea if a case causes overheating to the extent it will create a problem long term and neither do you.

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    Difficult to argue with flawless logic like this.
     
  11. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    It isn't an assumption. It is fact, which is yet to be disproved by you or anyone. Not a single case of a Mac notebook overheating or having heat-related problems simply as a result of having a skin installed has been reported. If you challenge that, post a link to one such case. Just one.
    Since having a skin installed only raises temps by a few degrees, it's no different than having a set of processes running all the time which does the same. Neither has any damaging effect on a Mac notebook during its useful life. Whether there is any impact 10 or 15 years down the road is completely irrelevant, as the vast majority of users would have replaced such an obsolete Mac long before then.

    You're arguing for the sake of arguing, and causing undue confusion to those who want to know if they can put a skin on their Mac notebook without damaging it or causing problems. The answer is emphatically yes. No one cares if there is a 3-day reduction in the 10 year life of a MacBook Pro because temps averaged 6 degrees higher over the 10 years. :rolleyes:
     
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    I think you need to lookup what those two words mean, because you seem confused.

    Just because you repeat something over and over does not make it a fact. I am saying this issue has not been proven either way... you do not agree and that is just fine.
     
  13. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    The only assumption being made is by you, assuming that having a skin installed creates heat issues. The fact is that it never has. Ever. This has been proven countless times by those who have reported using a skin on their Mac notebook for years without issue, combined with the fact that not a single heat-related problem has ever been reported where having a skin installed created such a problem.

    You have yet to provide a shred of evidence to disprove these facts. And yes, they are facts, despite your futile attempts to create FUD.
     
  14. AZREOSpecialist macrumors 68000

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    Try saying that to Mitt Romney...
     
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    I like how you use the word fact a lot. Still have not looked it up I suppose. :)
     
  16. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    I like how you question fact and call it assumption, in an attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that you haven't been able to provide a single bit of evidence to support your claims. I'm still waiting for evidence of a single case where having a skin installed on a Mac notebook caused heat-related problems. Surely, out of what I'd guess would be millions of Macs around the world with skins installed, you can find a single report of just one such case. C'mon. Just one.
     
  17. Weaselboy Moderator

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    Still waiting for the links to the study showing it does no harm. I am simply saying the jury is still out absent proof either way.

    We just don't agree on this. It should not be so difficult to accept. No need for you to keep posting variations of the same thing over and over.
     
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    [MOD NOTE]
    This thread went no where fast. Due to continue bickering and arguing, this thread is now locked
     
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