Do we even need an IPP upgrade this year?

[Precursor]

OK, I understand that iPhone 7 (or 6SE or whatever) is coming out with an A10 chip and an A10X version of the chip is inevitable. But I feel that the 12.9" IPP I have already has a chip that is so underutilized (lack of apps, iOS 10 not really making use of the already fast A9X chip etc) that I don't think I will feel the need to upgrade for many years to come, just like I used my iPad 2 for so many years as many people did.
What would make current iPP owners switch to an iPP 2? What do people expect in iPP 2? What does Apple expect people to do really? Any ideas?

 

[masotime]

I personally don't feel a need for an iPP 2, but it would simply be nice to have something faster with DCI-P gamut, True Tone and the upgraded camera (and of course a faster processor).

I have to admit, I don't think I'd really feel like I'm missing anything if they didn't release it however.

Frankly it really is a matter of developer adoption of the iPP platform that matters more than better specs at the moment.

 

[TheRealAlex]

OK, I understand that iPhone 7 (or 6SE or whatever) is coming out with an A10 chip and an A10X version of the chip is inevitable. But I feel that the 12.9" IPP I have already has a chip that is so underutilized (lack of apps, iOS 10 not really making use of the already fast A9X chip etc) that I don't think I will feel the need to upgrade for many years to come, just like I used my iPad 2 for so many years as many people did.
What would make current iPP owners switch to an iPP 2? What do people expect in iPP 2? What does Apple expect people to do really? Any ideas?

The iPad Pro did get a significant upgrade they shoved all the goodies into an actual 9.7 tablet gave it a much better display better LTE and a much better camera.

 

[pat500000]

I like big screen. Hell with 4K camera. I don't use iPad for camera. I use it to take notes and etc.

 

[Kal-037]

Yes and no. It would be cool to have the 12.9" with a brighter display and wider color gamut, and an even more powerful processor, but I don't really NEED it.... I would want it though.

 

[sjleworthy]

OK, I understand that iPhone 7 (or 6SE or whatever) is coming out with an A10 chip and an A10X version of the chip is inevitable. But I feel that the 12.9" IPP I have already has a chip that is so underutilized (lack of apps, iOS 10 not really making use of the already fast A9X chip etc) that I don't think I will feel the need to upgrade for many years to come, just like I used my iPad 2 for so many years as many people did.
What would make current iPP owners switch to an iPP 2? What do people expect in iPP 2? What does Apple expect people to do really? Any ideas?

need? no. but Apple must continue to produce products and upgrades.

personally, i agree with you the current ipp range really is too good and still isnt yet utilising its potential by far. upgrades to me would be pretty cosmetic.
But, i'd love to see the Pro lineup complete with a mini 5. and ipp mini.

 

[sorcery]

I definitely do not need an upgrade. But if the 12.9 is refreshed with a faster charger, my Air 2 will be replaced, a year earlier than originally planned.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I think we need an updated 12.9. My reason is, Apple likes to make incremental changes. I have the 12.9 and am not planning on buying another iPad for another year, so if I get another iPad 12.9 next year, and it is generation 2, it wont have enough changes to warrant another $1,200-$1,300 (iPP 12.9 + cellular + cover + keyboard).

Unless Apple starts to make huge leaps between generations, we kind of need them to have annual releases to progress the product line. Now, this mid year releases annoys me, because they had the technology, and it almost seem like they purposely hold off on releasing it on the initial product.

 

[an_explorer]

Yes.

 

[aneftp]

The iPad Pro did get a significant upgrade they shoved all the goodies into an actual 9.7 tablet gave it a much better display better LTE and a much better camera.

True for the most part. But they cheapped out on the 2GB of ram compare to the 4gb ram for the 12.9 inch iPad Pro

I have two iPad Air 2 with 2gb of ram and the air 2 still performs flawlessly. Even with the Best Buy $125 sale last week (even to stack my $100 Best Buy student coupon). Because of no 64gb model. And I feel 32gb isn't future proof. I just couldn't justify paying (750-125-100) $525 for the 128gb wifi model last week.

 

[DaveOP]

The iPad Pro did get a significant upgrade they shoved all the goodies into an actual 9.7 tablet gave it a much better display better LTE and a much better camera.

I think "MUCH" better display is an exaggeration. I have both on my desk for testing, and I can't really tell a difference in daily use. The true tone is nice, but not a game changer.

Edit: So I am not misunderstood, I LOVE both displays, and the 9.7 is slightly better.

 

[Centris 650]

I hope that Apple sees the 9.7" IPP as the last update for the line and won't do another update until early 2017 and then update both models. They've done this kind of thing in the past so it's not unreasonable.

While I LOVE my 12.9" IPP and Apple Pencil I went with the 32gb model and deeply regretting it. The first big revision to the IPP line AND to the Apple Pencil will probably cause me to upgrade.

 

[Ludatyk]

I think we need an updated 12.9. My reason is, Apple likes to make incremental changes. I have the 12.9 and am not planning on buying another iPad for another year, so if I get another iPad 12.9 next year, and it is generation 2, it wont have enough changes to warrant another $1,200-$1,300 (iPP 12.9 + cellular + cover + keyboard).

Um.. if u don't plan on upgrading iPP this year then why do you think we need an updated iPP?

I agree w/ the OP... we don't need a updated iPP, customers are simply not upgrading their iPads... and iOS needs more refinement for the iPad. The problem isn't with the hardware it's with iOS. Don't get me wrong... I enjoy my iPP, I like the fact Apple added SplitView/SlideOver to it. But I feel there need to more option for SplitView/SlideOver and better interaction between SplitView such as moving objects between two apps.

 

[Red Viking]

I just couldn't justify paying (750-125-100) $525 for the 128gb wifi model last week.

You don't know how good you guys have it in the US. Here in Canada we don't have $125 off iPad sales, nor $100 off student discounts. The 9.7" iPP 128GB costs $958.99 at Best Buy ($999 at the Apple store)--Canadian $, of course. If I had a chance to buy the 9.7" iPP 128GB for $525, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Um.. if u don't play on upgrading iPP this year then why do we think we need an updated iPP?

My personal belief is that Apple makes little changes (see my incremental changes comment) on each model, I would like a "blow your socks off" difference between iPP v1 and my next one, there for, there needs to be a v2 this year in order to get there by next year. If not, I will have to wait up to 4 years for a v3 with real changes...

My opinion.
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You don't know how good you guys have it in the US. Here in Canada we don't have $125 off iPad sales, nor $100 off student discounts. The 9.7" iPP 128GB costs $958.99 at Best Buy ($999 at the Apple store)--Canadian $, of course. If I had a chance to buy the 9.7" iPP 128GB for $525, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

You do get all the cheap maple syrup you want though, so I think it is a fair trade...

 

[Ludatyk]

My personal belief is that Apple makes little changes (see my incremental changes comment) on each model, I would like a "blow your socks off" difference between iPP v1 and my next one, there for, there needs to be a v2 this year in order to get there by next year. If not, I will have to wait up to 4 years for a v3 with real changes...

My opinion.

Well, yeah.. Apple likes to make little changes to each model. But I think OP is asking do we need a updated iPP this year? Not that will we see a updated iPP this year.. or if we do what changes will be made (what would make you upgrade).

And I really would rather Apple to refrain from updated the iPP this year... focus more on improving the software side of it. Apple felt there wasn't a need to update the iPad Mini 4... and I would like them to take that approach with the iPP, heck... there's not many accessories for the Smart Connector. I don't see a huge reason to update it.

 

[rui no onna]

An updated 12.9" model should help increase the customer base. The more 12.9" iPads sold and in customers' hands, the greater the pressure on developers ergo greater likelihood of better software support and app optimization.

 

[TinaBelcher]

Yes, because Apple really screwed us over with gen 2 of the 12.9 by giving the 10.5 thin bezels while the 12.9 got to keep the fat. Nah, they better make it up to us. My dream would be for a 11.7 but a realistic wish is for the 12.9 to become physically smaller by eliminating more bezels

 

[kazmac]

Speaking for myself, nope. All I ask is that my current Apple gear lasts at least 18 months if not longer now. Once I am done with this particular task and move onto the next, then I may consider upgrades, but I am in no hurry to get another iPP.

For everyone else, if that's what you want, may you get it at the same or cheaper price point.

 

[felton92]

I have a 12.9 iPad pro on the way. I once owned an iPad a couple of years ago but returned it, however the pro line is going to be great for my creativity and productivity.

I will upgrade again this year if I find a great use from the IPP, but only if they offer OLED.

 

[JCapps]

Don’t care about anything other than a lighter 12.9 with much slimmer bezels to increase its screen size even more without a larger footprint. If that happens I’ll upgrade for sure but till then I’m good with what I have.

And I’m honestly not that impressed with OLED for iPhones at this point. It looks a little nicer for sure. But Apple seems to have finally perfected there LCD screens after many years. First time I’ve bought an ipad without having to swap screens a million times to get a nice one. So I’m good waiting a few years for OLED manufacting to catch up with lcd.

 

[Kal-037]

Don’t care about anything other than a lighter 12.9 with much slimmer bezels to increase its screen size even more without a larger footprint. If that happens I’ll upgrade for sure but till then I’m good with what I have.

And I’m honestly not that impressed with OLED for iPhones at this point. It looks a little nicer for sure. But Apple seems to have finally perfected there LCD screens after many years. First time I’ve bought an ipad without having to swap screens a million times to get a nice one. So I’m good waiting a few years for OLED manufacting to catch up with lcd.

Exactly how I feel. Like exactly on all points. OLED has two things over LCD...
Power efficiency and true Black. LCD can have very close to OLED, but also is just as clear, can do 120hz refresh rate, last longer, and doesn’t suffer from image burn in hardly at all, and doesn’t have ghosting problems nearly as much either. The only way I want OLED is if the specs can surpass LCD in ever way, (even just a little.)

Also I completely agree about the footprint in size, could you imagine a mor iPhone-ish designed 12.9”, having it weigh 1.2-1.30 pounds, still having that gorgeous display, and incredible, BT 5.0, desktop grade CPU/GPU, and still incredible speakers? Not to mention no 2007 old tech and less reliable home button.
Heck if I can’t have iPhone X design, I’ll atleast take haptic Home Button.




Kal.

 

[augustya]

People this is a 2016 thread ! Why are you guys fuelling it !! And who on earth does not want a new enhanced upgraded iPad every year ! Who is That sample guy ? How can anyone even say this ? That he does not want an upgraded iPad ! That is Blasphemy ! To say that !!

 

[onepoint]

Amazon is now listing the 10.5 as “2017 model” or “mid-2017” — hadn’t seen that previously.

 

[Codeseven]

Amazon is now listing the 10.5 as “2017 model” or “mid-2017” — hadn’t seen that previously.

A 2018 iPad Pro X will probably make a 10.5 seem like old news.