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Prom1 said:
And if you think your tuff enough to come out of your car to get me ... rest assured you'd end up like the guy that had the same idea, weighed over 300 lbs of SOLID muscle trying to get a slim 16yr old that can run 100meters in 10.9 flat ... well he ended up with a broken nose ... a black eye and $thousands of vandalism damage to his car! He never got the chance to lay a finger on me .... because everytime he reached for me he got a 10.5 foot in his face! Deservedly so. When he called the cops ... witnesses that saw the whole thing ... said that I jumped on the car in fear of getting hit ... and the damage physical, car, and emotional pride was due to protecting myself. What a fool.
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So you jumped onto his hood and then beat the crap out of some poor bastard for pulling out over the crosswalk?

If that's your natural reaction to someone nosing into the crosswalk, don't ever walk across the street in America 'cause someone is bound to shoot your ass dead. One of these days someone is going to escalate that situation a notch higher than you're ready for.

A .38 runs 100m a little hotter than 10.9s, kid. :rolleyes:
 
THere is nothing quite like taking a Sunday afternoon drive on my Honda but I agree that riders have a greater responsibility on the road. Several of my friends are the kind of people that give motorcycles a bad name. They ride 100mph+ a lot of the time and do stupid things. I refuse to ride with them because I really don't want to see a friend die firsthand. If you are familiar with Pa roads you know this is not a smart idea at all! Since I'm getting married in a few months, I'm planning on selling my cycle, not sure if I can part with it though!
 
I want a bike soooo bad, but I can't get insurance in Ireland. Bastards :mad:

It's really frustrating.
 
I may get flamed for this, but here goes...

I hold a grudge against some small or large proportion of bikers (I have no idea of the proportion) because:

1. In France, they are lobbying the government to install double security rails all over. Fine. But why should 99% of people who don't need them pay for the 1% who do need them. Nobody's forcing them to ride bikes. If they ride them they should bear the consequences...

2. They complain that car driver's don't look out for them, but they drive like loonatics: overtaking a great spead in between lanes in slow moving traffic on highways; overtaking on single carriage ways with on-coming traffic; driving way faster than the speed limit; out running police cars;etc.., Not to mention taking up a whole parking space in congested cities. Very considerate. :rolleyes:

Last time I was in Paris an ass-hole on a bike overtook my on the inside as I was turning off the road (I was using my indicator). As I beeped at him to: a) let him know I had seen him, and b) point out he did a real stupid thing and I could have easily not seen him; he flicked me a birdie. WTF?
 
whocares said:
I may get flamed for this, but here goes...

I hold a grudge against some small or large proportion of bikers (I have no idea of the proportion) because:

1. In France, they are lobbying the government to install double security rails all over. Fine. But why should 99% of people who don't need them pay for the 1% who do need them. Nobody's forcing them to ride bikes. If they ride them they should bear the consequences...
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It's their choice to ride, and they do because they enjoy it. Why shouldn't the government provide a safer environment for them? It's only fair.

whocares said:
2. They complain that car driver's don't look out for them, but they drive like loonatics: overtaking a great spead in between lanes in slow moving traffic on highways; overtaking on single carriage ways with on-coming traffic; driving way faster than the speed limit; out running police cars;etc.., Not to mention taking up a whole parking space in congested cities. Very considerate.

Last time I was in Paris an ass-hole on a bike overtook my on the inside as I was turning off the road (I was using my indicator). As I beeped at him to: a) let him know I had seen him, and b) point out he did a real stupid thing and I could have easily not seen him; he flicked me a birdie. WTF?
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Way to stereotype a large community of people on the actions of one ignorant individual. :rolleyes:

Not eveyone on a motorcycle rides like that you know.
 
Melkor said:
It's their choice to ride, and they do because they enjoy it. Why shouldn't the government provide a safer environment for them? It's only fair.
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"Enjoy" is the keyword here. I enjoy driving fast, but I don't because: a) it's illegal, and b) it's dangerous. However, I don't expect government to provide me with a safe envrionment for driving, ie a race track. Government's role is to provide things that you need, not enjoy IMHO, but let's not take this thread into the political realm...


Melkor said:
Way to stereotype a large community of people on the actions of one ignorant individual. :rolleyes:

Not eveyone on a motorcycle rides like that you know.
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Yes, I know, and warned in my opening comments that I was generalising.
But it's not based on one idividual. It's based on many individuals I seen driving around, as well as individuals I've talked to. That ****** was just the last one to date. ;)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a part from the visibility issue, there's no reason I should pay more attention to motorcycles than to cars or pedestrians, but you often ended up doing so because their all over the place. Try driving in Paris... People think it's difficult driving in Paris because they drive badly. Wrong. It's difficult because you have to watch out for motorcycles doing stupid stuff.
 
Want to know why I'll never ride a motorcycle?

Have you ever seen a 'road-rash', and had to have it irrigated regularly to try to get all the gravel/asphalt out of it, and to keep it from festering? :eek:

Happened to a friend, not me, but that was enough to eliminate whatever small desire I had for riding a cycle.
 
iPoster said:
Want to know why I'll never ride a motorcycle?

Have you ever seen a 'road-rash', and had to have it irrigated regularly to try to get all the gravel/asphalt out of it, and to keep it from festering? :eek:

Happened to a friend, not me, but that was enough to eliminate whatever small desire I had for riding a cycle.
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actually i've experienced it, recently. i got road rash, a broken metacarpal and a slighty cracked rib. (it wasn't as bad as is it sounds) i won't give up riding over it. honestly i've crashed worse. i dirtbike though so it's less problematic off-road in some regards.
really, what isn't dangerous? we take calcuated risks based on our needs and desires. everyone has their "thing".

i'm just happier not to share my riding space with cars and some of those idiots behind the wheel. those accidents do happen and like i said earlier, there's only so much a motorcycle can do to react to that. your actions on a motorcycle have to be very smooth and deliberate or you will screw up, guaranteed.

happy safe riding and careful driving folks. :)
 
Probably not the best thread to throw the Ghost Rider into (and no, not the crappy Nic Cage film).
Scared the c*** out of me when I watched The Final Ride.
Don't try this at home kids.
 
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CompUser said:
Thats one of the reasons I hate motorcyles. They're dangergous, loud, and provide no protection from the elements.
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Bah!

Bikes are not any more dangerous than cars. Drivers are the dangerous part of the equation - on both 2 and 4 wheels.

In the States driving is seen as a right and anyone who can pay $20 can get a license. We don't make people go through training, or actually earn a license, we hand it over on their birthday for a few bucks.
 
maya said:
Seems like it was both the driver or the car and the bikes fault. Why in Sam's name did the biker not hit the breaks?

Was the biker blind?


Sure the driver of the car was looking both sides before making a L/R turn, however his movements were a tad slow.

I say both were at fault. :rolleyes:
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I disagree. The biker has the right of way and assumed that he was being seen when the car stopped at the intersection. The most common cause of collisions with motorcycles is a car turning left in front of a motorcycle because the driver says s/he didn't see it.

The point is that motorcycles are out there whether you like it or not, and all drivers are responsible for avoiding road hazards, whether that means slippery roads, sharp corners, or other vehicles.
 
emaja said:
In the States driving is seen as a right and anyone who can pay $20 can get a license. We don't make people go through training, or actually earn a license, we hand it over on their birthday for a few bucks.
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....and that's why i hate driving in the states.

i've done the UK test, theory and practical. i've done the pass plus, which goes a step further. and then, i've also done the institute of advanced motorists' "advanced driving license". i've done rally, racing (up to formula 3 cars), and skid training at Silverstone.

methinks i'm a pretty safe driver.. but i like my speed. however i'd never get onto a motorbike, because i've had several close friends killed by them - all 4 were when they were going under 30mph, in a built up area.

i hate seeing them on the road, because when i do, they're usually breaking some kind of rules, like under-taking, or jumping lights or whatever, and i've got a very low sports car with bad enough blind spots as it is without inconsiderate STUPID bikers breaking the law and shooting up at 150mph+ on the wrong side of me.
 
That ad does not discourage me getting a bike whatsoever. I just know that being paranoid 100% of the time can do you some good.
 
bigandy said:
methinks i'm a pretty safe driver.. but i like my speed. however i'd never get onto a motorbike, because i've had several close friends killed by them - all 4 were when they were going under 30mph, in a built up area.

i hate seeing them on the road, because when i do, they're usually breaking some kind of rules, like under-taking, or jumping lights or whatever, and i've got a very low sports car with bad enough blind spots as it is without inconsiderate STUPID bikers breaking the law and shooting up at 150mph+ on the wrong side of me.
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That reminds me... I was driving to a baby shower yesterday. As I was getting on the freeway a motorcyclist sped past me like I was standing still (I was doing about 60-65MPH so I'm guessing he was doing at least 110-120MPH). It scared the crap out of me because he came out of nowhere while I was rounding a curve. If I'd decided to change lanes while he was coming there would've been no hope for him (I honestly did not see him coming at all--didn't really have time to see him coming). By the time I was actually on the freeway he was nowhere to be found. I kept looking to see if I'd see his remains smashed into some other vehicle/tree or pulled over by the cops or something, but luckily (or maybe unluckily) he was just gone. It's my belief that if you're riding a motorcycle you've got to be that much more careful on the road. At least if I get into a wreck I've got airbags and a steel frame to kind of protect me. That guy was just careless.
 
I have a young friend who used to take me out for spins on his bike. Then, about 5 years ago, he was involved in a crash with a car at a roundabout. He broke both legs, one very badly and was in a coma for weeks. He spent months in the hospital, had to go back for further operations on the very badly broken leg and is waiting to be called for what will hopefully be the final operation.

He's improved a lot but his brain doesn't function as well as before the crash and his memory tends to be very erratic.

The scary thing, though, is that he bought a new bike a few months ago and told me I'd be the first to get a drive when he got insurance for it. Thankfully, he couldn't get insurance and has had to sell the bike. He was a fairly skillful driver before the crash, but I don't think his reaction times would now be the best.

I often wonder if he had any memory of the crash, (he doesn't remember a thing about it), would he have been so anxious to get back on a bike.
 
iGav said:
I will say one thing though... for every bike on the road, the proportion of them been ridden dangerously with less consideration for other road users is far greater than that of car drivers.
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I tend to agree with you there. We just finished a drive to Maine this past weekend, about 240 miles one way. We saw about 10 motorcycles, all of them passed us at a very high rate of speed. And yes, as another poster mentioned, they do come up on you VERY quickly. I've come to learn that if you see one speeding performance motorcycle, start looking for a second. Invariably, they almost always come in pairs.

Also, Sunday night, one of the bikes we saw had two riders, the passenger had arms and legs flayed out as if flying. Within a half mile, we stopped for a major accident involoving a car and a light post. I hope the motorcyclists wised up, as they were doing at least 90mph prior to the congestion.

As long as its not a residential community at 10pm, I prefer Harleys. They tend to be a LOT noisier, which helps you spot them (as long as they're not going too fast to mitigate the doppler effect). Also, the majority of Harley riders that I have seen have been have been very cognizant of the road rules and other drivers. Maybe its because the mature biker prefers a Harley and the young kids prefer a rocket? Or maybe this is too much of a generalization....
 
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