Do you guys use iCloud Keychain?

Discussion in 'Apple Music, Apple Pay, iCloud, Apple Services' started by crellion, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. crellion macrumors member

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    I'm still a bit skeptical on how secure iCloud Keychain is in terms of securing your passwords especially with the default 4-PIN code.

    Do any of you guys use it? How are you liking it so far?
     
  2. Shrink macrumors G3

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    Don't use it...I use LastPass and have iCloud Keychain turned off.
     
  3. crellion thread starter macrumors member

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    Spoke too soon, last night I was installing the Mac security update and it asked me to activate iCloud Keychain (which I stupidly did). Now all my stuff is in iCloud Keychain - am I screwed now?
     
  4. Shrink macrumors G3

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    I don't know if you're screwed, but you could go into System Preference > iCloud and try unchecking the Keychain box.

    Full disclosure...I'm not a tech guy, so bear that in mind!:p
     
  5. crellion thread starter macrumors member

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    Ok - but does that erase my data from Apple's servers? I hope I didn't unleash Pandora's Box by agreeing to activate iCloud Keychain.

    Frankly the MacOS X login screen kinda promoted it heavily when I logged on - and I didn't bother to click on the "Skip This" text on the bottom... So - what now?

    Seriously - if I was a less technical - I probably would have followed along not caring...
     
  6. BaldiMac macrumors 604

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    iCloud Keychain uses 256-bit AES encryption. It is not secured by the 4 digit PIN. That is just used to verify a new device. The encryption key would be linked to your AppleID and password.

    (However, on an individual device, it is only as secure as your device's login credentials.)
     
  7. NukeIT macrumors regular

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    The passwords I use with it are a lot more complex then if I was trying to make up ones for every different website
     
  8. roadbloc macrumors G3

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    I remember all my own passwords. Nobody can hack my mind.
     
  9. Mr Rabbit macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, use it daily to remember website logins and store secure notes. With iOS 7 it saves me a lot of time digging for login info when I'm on the go.

    Aside from the small bugs with it in Mavericks I would consider myself a fan of it.
     
  10. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68020

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    What is the secure notes feature you're talking about?
     
  11. Sodner macrumors 68020

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    I'm still using the app 1 Password instead. Versions for iPad, iPhone and Mac and is more feature rich then iCloud keychain. I am slowly moving towards actually not knowing any of my passwords. :eek:
     
  12. Rigby macrumors 601

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    Personally, I will never use a cloud-based service to store critical passwords.

    That said, after reading the iCloud Keychain section in Apple's new security whitepaper, it's obvious that they spent a lot of thought on this. I believe the system is reasonably secure.
     
  13. Mr Rabbit macrumors 6502a

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    I should have been clearer, it's been a part of Keychain Access on Macs for several years. As far as I know it's not accessible through iOS or iCloud.com
     
  14. Primejimbo macrumors 68040

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    I use it and love it. I wish there was a war to access the passwords on iCloud.com also.
     
  15. Jacksonc macrumors 6502

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    When I enable iCloud Keychain, does it send a text message to the phone number I enter? I don't have a phone...
     
  16. imasterus macrumors member

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    iCloud keychain is the best feature of Mavericks, in my opinion. I rely upon it heavily.
     
  17. pmontanarella macrumors 6502

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    Agreed
     
  18. alphaod macrumors Core

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    I have it enabled, but I don't have any passwords stored on it. I use Lastpass for that!
     
  19. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    I'm not the most technical/security expert guy here, but as I see it for my uses:

    iCloud keychain suggests/offers you stronger randomized passwords. At the same time, if you Agree to accept it on a given website, it enables the automatic key across ALL your devices (which may be a bad thing if you ever accidentally get your iPod/iPhone stolen).

    Hmm…. for low-security websites, for example, ones that I don't buy anything, only minor forums like a game support forum, I have no problem using it. And besides, when I visit a small game support forum once a month, like am I supposed to remember the username and password I made up 2 months ago? No! So I let Keychain remember it and deal with it. In this manner, Keychain is super convenient.

    But for websites that are really important to me, like the Apple Online Store or eBay where I purchase things, I will tell Keychain to NOT store any data for that website.

    It's on a site to site basis. Just use common sense.

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  20. Tech198, Mar 4, 2014
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    Nope... Lastpass is better...


    That's kinda weird saying that. But its no suprise that people prefer cloud services "Other: than Apple, after all the security stuff has has happened with iCLoud in the past...
     
  21. Macman45 macrumors demi-god

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    I use something way less complicated and non- tech based.

    My Brain.

    I have around 50 passwords that I can simply rattle right off without having to ask for a re-set or anything.

    I have around 10 rarely used that I keep written down in a little book.

    The system has so far:

    Worked well without technical hitches
    Isn't reliant on a server someplace holding my data.
    Is probably way safer than the cloud or last pass.
     
  22. Tech198 macrumors G4

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    ya, but you loose the book, or forget passwords for are those sites.

    Let my also guess, sine the passwords are in your brain, their easy to remember right ?

    LP, is for convenience, but giving up a bit of security......... Unfortunately, people can't remember a mix-case complicated password.


    I don't know any of my passwords of hand... never needed too, and if you do remember a password so easily, then its either to short, or too memorable.. Either way,, someone else will know too shortly
     
  23. BJMRamage macrumors 68020

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    Sounds silly but a question I have with iCloud Keychain...I have use a couple Macs, an iPad and iPhone. what if I use a PC or another person's computer...how do i know what password to log in with?

    Thanks in advance
     
  24. pmontanarella macrumors 6502

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    That's an issue I've faced when for some reason I'm using the school computers, I usually just get out the iPhone and type it out copying off the iPhone
     
  25. impaler macrumors 6502

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    It's the only feature of iCloud I don't use. I'm 100% Apple at home, but it's a Windows 7 world at work, and can't install/use iCloud control panel on my Windows 7 machine. So if I need a password I have to either a) bring my iPad to work every day, b) pray it works with the site I'm trying to access, or c) wait until I get home.

    It's a great concept in an all-Apple world, but it would lock me out if I'm outside my normal routine, or have to use a Internet cafe somewhere.
     

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