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And the school that you attended is just pleased as punch to have you as an alumnus, and frequently brags about what a good job they did in your education. :p

Of the ones that didn't get a degree in anything, do you regret it or have plans to go back? I hear that once people decide not to get a degree right after high school ultimately never get a degree. True? Of course, it depends on scenario.

Ask a question, and then answer it.

You have cut out the middleman.

That's a business concept!
 
a college degree has all but replaced a high school degree as the minimum education that society expects for young people starting adult life these days........although you can still work at a low paying service job without one

There is plenty of manual labor type work that pays a lot more money than most jobs that require a college degree. Carpenters, Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC and many other construction type jobs pay very well. If you are dedicated to your job, take the time to advance, be sure to do a good job, save well and eventually open your own company.

Even if you aren't ambitious enough to start your own company. You can still make good money if you reach master status in your field.

The funny thing is. These construction people are going to be in greater demand. Far fewer people know how to repair there own houses now than even 20 years ago.

Construction isn't the only area. Mechanics can make good money. Especially if you become a diesel, marine or aircraft mechanic.

The point being. If you apply yourself and are willing to put in some effort your income can be just as good or better than a white collar worker.
 
I just earned my Associates in Arts - Social Science and I'm transferring to The University of Illinois at Chicago to complete my BA. Afterwards I'll start my Masters. A college degree is no longer a ticket to achieving the American Dream, but it's better than nothing. Employers are increasingly wanting a Masters degree. And like what has already been said: a bachelors degree is quickly becoming the new High School diploma.

It's true that a college degree (typical 4 year BA, BS) with between 25%-30% percent of the population is where a high school diploma was in the past. But you have to look back to around 1940 when that same percentage of adult populace had a high school diploma.

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A master's degree is still something that is in the single digits so that many employers cannot realistically expect this. Not only that, not all master's degrees are work related and many*are research degrees with very little application in the real working world.

It's still best to have as much education as you can afford, but it's premature to say today's bachelor's degree is yesteryear's high school diploma unless we want to consider 75 years ago as recently. That is a stretch, and it's even more of a stretch to say that employers increasingly want a master's degree (outside of academia) where it has its applications for adjunct professors, high school principals, and senior educational staff like counselors and high end administrators.
 
Whatever you do, don't read. Nothing good ever came of reading. I heard pinkos read.

:rolleyes:


When you're going to be a tycoon and run a conglomerate...reading is unnecessary .

Don't let it get out, but all kinds of information is hidden in books.

But as you point out...that's some commie plot to keep said information from regular people.

:rolleyes: ;)
 
I have a technical collage degree (i think that's the closest translation) in software design.

I drive a maintenance truck for the moment. You know those with plough, sanding or rotary cleaner attachments. I'm the bloke you're all cursing when I'm holding up traffic to clean the roads from debris/snow/ice/random crap. So I'm not even close to working in my field.

I'm starting the police academy (Polishögskolan) next year though. So in two years I'll have a degree in racial profiling, bad driving and terrible firing discipline. :D
 
There is plenty of manual labor type work that pays a lot more money than most jobs that require a college degree. Carpenters, Plumbers, Electricians, HVAC and many other construction type jobs pay very well. If you are dedicated to your job, take the time to advance, be sure to do a good job, save well and eventually open your own company.

Even if you aren't ambitious enough to start your own company. You can still make good money if you reach master status in your field.

The funny thing is. These construction people are going to be in greater demand. Far fewer people know how to repair there own houses now than even 20 years ago.

Construction isn't the only area. Mechanics can make good money. Especially if you become a diesel, marine or aircraft mechanic.

The point being. If you apply yourself and are willing to put in some effort your income can be just as good or better than a white collar worker.

I agree. There are many trades that offer a rewarding, high-paying career. I knew someone who had an engineering degree and decided to quit his job an open an auto repair business, which he loved.
 
I will be getting an Associates Degree in Accounting in May from a local community college. From there, I'm using that to get my foot in the door for a job somewhere in the Accounting field. After a few years, I will go back to school again to do a Bachelors Degree.
 
I got a BA in Computer Science. Graduated with a pretty high GPA, but finding a job in IT in this area is pretty hard and I went a year unemployed since I left my other job as a salesman once I graduated. I got a better job now, but not in IT which is sort of frustrating.

As a hiring manager in the IT field I can say you're in a tough place.
Frankly schools or a lot of certs don't mean much to me, attitude and experience count. But you're faced with that catch-22 where you may not have the experience but can't get someone to hire you to get that experience. Tough place at times.

My company I poach bright help desk guys and grow them. Sometimes helps to start off below where you think you should be based on education and just get your foot in the door. If you're smart you'll rise to the top, haven't ever seen that fail. IT people are a dime a dozen, *GOOD* IT people are hard to find.

But I'll also say to those people here that say you'll not have more than a service job without a degree, that's BS. You just have to find what you love and be good at it. Sometimes happiness isn't all about the $ either.
 
As a hiring manager in the IT field I can say you're in a tough place.
Frankly schools or a lot of certs don't mean much to me, attitude and experience count. But you're faced with that catch-22 where you may not have the experience but can't get someone to hire you to get that experience. Tough place at times.

My company I poach bright help desk guys and grow them. Sometimes helps to start off below where you think you should be based on education and just get your foot in the door. If you're smart you'll rise to the top, haven't ever seen that fail. IT people are a dime a dozen, *GOOD* IT people are hard to find.

But I'll also say to those people here that say you'll not have more than a service job without a degree, that's BS. You just have to find what you love and be good at it. Sometimes happiness isn't all about the $ either.

True.

I have been a computer guy in silicon valley area and it's all about if you are good or not, not always a degree but degrees never hurt.

But besides being good, you have to be consistent since many of the best burn out very quickly.

Also you have to be in the right place. I like being within an hour of San Jose but if you are talented but an hour east of Sacramento, then the odds of landing a job as an IT person or programmer is greatly reduced.

Lastly, there is luck. If you are good, and consistent, and in the right place, then hope your specialty in IT or computer science is hot. It's better to have some more commonly needed skills (Cisco, Microsoft) over being the best J++ person or the best expert in only Novell. I knew of people dedicated to just J++ or Novell and it wasn't pretty. However, the self-taught Windows guy always had work, even without degree or certifications and memorizing menus was better than programming in a language nobody wanted.

That being said, there are also hidden barriers which are very real, too. Unfortunately, if you are a woman it's still an uphill battle and key IT and CS positions still seemed to be staffed by men, even if the best people may be women. Nerds are the most sexist out there and may not even think of themselves on those terms. It's just girls never played D&D, hung out in comic book stores, nor did they pay attention to the lonely computer geek guy in the cafeteria at high school

And there's an unfortunate regional preference and the high tech field is fiercely proud to be Northern Californian and many a mediocre norcal person in high tech is hired over somebody better from another area. If you are from the east coast, China, or India, then you have to be beyond world class to get a job over a slightly good norcal "boy". I also have an HR degree and some law school and it burns me up but the small mindedness of this area, San Jose who only recently have become recognized as a city of any worth, is still playing favorites and will for decades to come. Do you remember the orchards before the high tech buildings? If not, you are dead to many an HR manager. Did you get into computers because it was a good field that pays or were you tinkering with high tech as a kid and never went outside? If it's the latter, you make it to stage two in the interview at Google, Apple, Microsoft silicon valley campus, Oracle, etc.

Also if you went into high tech because it's a good college major, you are dead to the hiring manager. Remember this field here was largely built by college dropouts Ellison, Fanning, Zuckerberg, Gates, Allen, Dell, Jobs, and (then) Wozniak. You are either born high tech and can never learn to be it from a piece of paper. Just be a geek, be male, and preferably be born here or start your high tech aspirations here before you grow pubic hair. If you are already 18 and an adult and decide on high tech, get out because it's too late like Ellison might say. We all saw movies depicting Steve Jobs and his tirades. That folks is mild for silicon valley. Everything here is done differently and Apple is only the tip of the iceberg. This region is an alternate universe and learn its ways, however stupid and counter-intuitive they are, and don't try and change them right this second.

I won't consider us on a level of a Los Angeles, San Diego, Seattle, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Chicago, New York until we drop the home boy favoritism. Too much before dot.com, we were just a computer city that was specialized in just one industry but now with money coming in from all over, it's time we buck up and get international.
 
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True.

I have been a computer guy in silicon valley area and it's all about if you are good or not, not always a degree but degrees never hurt.

But besides being good, you have to be consistent since many of the best burn out very quickly.

That's the west coast take, which is spot on. East Coast take? Get the degree - primarily if you're in an area that does government contracting. I work in DC, and it doesn't matter how many certs you have or what you know - the US Government pays billing rates differently for a college degree than one without - almost double. So contractors doing business with the Feds require degrees which is the biggest IT sector in the DC area.. Doesn't matter if it's in Advanced Trombone, just that it's a degree. Your tax dollars at work. :eek:
 
That's the west coast take, which is spot on. East Coast take? Get the degree - primarily if you're in an area that does government contracting. I work in DC, and it doesn't matter how many certs you have or what you know - the US Government pays billing rates differently for a college degree than one without - almost double. So contractors doing business with the Feds require degrees which is the biggest IT sector in the DC area.. Doesn't matter if it's in Advanced Trombone, just that it's a degree. Your tax dollars at work. :eek:

LMAO, isn't that the truth. Cough, cough Obamacare (not the plan which is OK but the use of government employees to roll out a big tech project covering the computer part of that plan). And guess where DC came crying to in order to make the site and system work? ;) All those degrees can make a mighty fine list for K-8, high school and college teachers, but never a fast moving group of high tech professionals.

When there was talk about the beltway, or Boston, or NYC replacing San Jose as the high tech region of choice, I knew it wasn't going to happen.

High tech is all about making stuff that works, on the cheap, and getting as much for the product as possible, and QUICKLY. High tech has absolutely no respect for tradition or education because while one is busy deciding what suit is best to wear or what degrees are the best to have on the resume, you (the silicon valley person) just have to get some clothes on and get to work yesterday because there are Sony and Samsung cats on your tail, or leading the way in some cases.

It's ruthless yet practical, but are there any other fields quite like west coast high tech?
 
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I specialized in accounting and majored in economics for my undergrad. I actually really enjoyed what I studied for the most part (my electives were my lowest marks, humanities courses are so boring). I'm really interested in the CPA designation but if I can't get into a good accounting firm then I'll continue working and building experience and go for an MBA later.

As for the value of a degree? A lot of success stories of those without degrees began 20-30 years ago - it was easier to do this back then. Now I think that for top jobs you need at least a degree. In business, I would say that a degree itself isn't enough. I graduated with Distinction from a top school and it wasn't "easy" to get a job, and I know a lot of my classmates are still searching. You need to be well-rounded (extra-curriculars, volunteering etc) and be a strong networker - networking is very important.

Although I just graduated recently, what I would've done differently is to have tried harder to get internships, started networking earlier, and tried to get an exec position in some of the bigger school clubs/societies. Marks are also important, most of the jobs I applied to required me to submit my transcript.

Good luck!
 
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I have an honours degree in Environmental Science; did it part time as a mature student.

Never, ever stop learning and wanting to learn.
 
The peace of mind that brings has to be refreshing. Not fun subjecting yourself to essentially indentured servitude

^ What a **** head response. Going to college or getting a degree does NOT guarantee you ANYTHING. I know tons of idiots that went off to college. Got their degree but also got themselves in thousands upon thousands of dollars in debt and are now working for $9.50/hour at your local Starbucks -- or $15.75/hr as your "Supervisor" at your local Best Buy. (whom by the way still live off of mommy and daddy). **** all that.

I tried going to college. Could not afford it. I said screw it. I worked my way up in something I like to do -- laboratory work (pathology). No ass kissing. No "indentured servitude. No being a slave." I'm making DOUBLE what other suckers are making who have degrees in "this or that" who work right beside me.
 
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^ What a **** head response. Going to college or getting a degree does NOT guarantee you ANYTHING. I know tons of idiots that went off to college. Got their degree but also got themselves in thousands upon thousands of dollars in debt and are now working for $9.50/hour at your local Starbucks -- or $15.75/hr as your "Supervisor" at your local Best Buy. (whom by the way still live off of mommy and daddy). **** all that.

I tried going to college. Could not afford it. I said screw it. I worked my way up in something I like to do -- laboratory work (pathology). No ass kissing. No "indentured servitude. No being a slave." I'm making DOUBLE what other suckers are making who have degrees in "this or that" who work right beside me.

Buried somewhere in that anger is a good point, but good luck getting anyone to respond with anything other than hostility.
 
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No degree here (or anything beyond some rather uninspiring high school). Did my work via the experience and proving my worth (and a few lucky right-place/right-time spots).

However I have always wanted a degree to be able to prove what I can do but have always suffered from issues being in educational situations.

I am getting a handle on these and am proudly starting the open university (for real this time) in February 2014. Studying for an Open Degree in Science. Maths for the first few modules and then who knows - i am planning to most likey follow the computing route as its what I know and is a subject for which I still have a lot of passion. I may mix it up with some physics modules as that too holds an interest for me.

So. No degree.....yet ;)

( and i am extremely lucky to have a fantastic partner who is 100% behind me and also shares some of my passions, so I am really looking forward to my university level journey).

I will book mark this thread and one day in years to some, i will ressurect it with my graduation.

Just paid a visit to this thread (which I hadn't looked at in quite a while).

Bravo, well done. Great post, and the very best of luck to you.

I have posted elsewhere that I was a university teacher for the best part of twenty years. During that time, I also did quite a bit of teaching of courses which were offered to 'second chance' students, in other words, mature students who returned to university in their 20s, 30, 40s, 50s and 60s, people who, for one reason or another, - financial constraints, the need to earn immediately, lack of the necessary grades, a parent's death, the need to study something 'functional'' rather than what they had always longed to study, lack of means and/or opportunity and so on - had been unable to attend university in their youth.

Actually, I loved teaching the 'mature' students - they were motivated, streetwise, had plenty of life experience, weren't afraid to question received wisdom, and were wonderfully eager to learn. Every class was an absolute pleasure to teach - from a teacher's perspective, having students who are actually interested in what is on the course and who really want to know more about it, (and are motivated to read, ask questions, and so on), is one of the greatest joys of teaching.

You will have a great time personally, - I don't know of any of the 'mature' students who didn't enjoy the experience - and a hugely rewarding and fulfilling one academically. It is a brave step to take, but I wish you the very best of luck when your course starts.


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Whatever you do, don't read. Nothing good ever came of reading. I heard pinkos read.

:rolleyes:

Yes. Don't read. Strains the eyes, hurts the mind, and can possibly give rise to dangerous and subversive ideas......Instead, some think that books should be fed to the flames, and an axe taken to what we used to call printing presses.......

When you're going to be a tycoon and run a conglomerate...reading is unnecessary .

Don't let it get out, but all kinds of information is hidden in books.

But as you point out...that's some commie plot to keep said information from regular people.

:rolleyes: ;)

It is, indeed.

I am reminded of Charles Dickens's description of Mr Bounderby (the scoundrelly industrialist in the novel 'Hard Times'), cited by George Orwell (in 'The Road to Wigan Pier') of whom it was said that he was one of those 'whose greatest boast was to show even greater ignorance of [knowledge, culture, learning] after he made his pile than before'.
 
I'm currently working towards my degree for Management Information Systems.

So not yet, but when May comes around :D
 
^ What a **** head response. Going to college or getting a degree does NOT guarantee you ANYTHING. I know tons of idiots that went off to college. Got their degree but also got themselves in thousands upon thousands of dollars in debt and are now working for $9.50/hour at your local Starbucks -- or $15.75/hr as your "Supervisor" at your local Best Buy. (whom by the way still live off of mommy and daddy). **** all that.

I tried going to college. Could not afford it. I said screw it. I worked my way up in something I like to do -- laboratory work (pathology). No ass kissing. No "indentured servitude. No being a slave." I'm making DOUBLE what other suckers are making who have degrees in "this or that" who work right beside me.

Did you even read my post?

If you did, you would have comprehended that my statement about not going to school and not racking up a ton of debt is a positive thing and brings a peace of mind that comes from not owing thousands for a degree that has no guarantee.
 
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