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Do you think Apple will "enhance" Leopard as time goes on?

TheSpaz

TheSpaz

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Remember when people complained about things in Tiger and suddenly in just a point upgrade, they gave us the widget manager in Dashboard? Do you think if enough people complain, that they'll add some more useful features to Leopard for free in a small point upgrade?

For some reason I think Leopard wasn't completely done but, it was done ENOUGH for release until they could secretly sneak some more stuff in there during normal updates. I wonder why everything is vector-based except the scroll bars now. (It may not be ONLY the scroll bars but, that's one of the only things that didn't scale up nicely when using resolution independence.)

What are everyone's thoughts?
 
Well i suppose we'll see Apple apps updated to take advantage of Core Animation, and i'm sure bits will be added here and there. 10.5.3 is my bet for full ZFS support.

Alternatively, come next WWDC they'll just show us the start of 10.6 and we'll all start speculating about that, instead. Steve did say 12-18 month cycles, didn't he?
 
Of course I think Apple will enhance it. Tiger shaped up nicely by 10.4.10 and I think you right about them not being completely done. Will res ind. come? Probably. I think I read that Apple said we would get it by 2008 or something.
 
Much Ado said:
Well i suppose we'll see Apple apps updated to take advantage of Core Animation, and i'm sure bits will be added here and there. 10.6.3 is my bet for full ZFS support.

Alternatively, come next WWDC they'll just show us the start of 10.7 and we'll all start speculating about that, instead. Steve did say 12-18 month cycles, didn't he?
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Don't you mean 10.5.3 instead of 10.6.3? and then 10.6 not 10.7?

Also, I completely agree that ZFS is coming in Leopard. It's one of the thing they probably wanted to get in the GM release.
 
TheSpaz said:
Remember when people complained about things in Tiger and suddenly in just a point upgrade, they gave us the widget manager in Dashboard? Do you think if enough people complain, that they'll add some more useful features to Leopard for free in a small point upgrade?

For some reason I think Leopard wasn't completely done but, it was done ENOUGH for release until they could secretly sneak some more stuff in there during normal updates. I wonder why everything is vector-based except the scroll bars now. (It may not be ONLY the scroll bars but, that's one of the only things that didn't scale up nicely when using resolution independence.)

What are everyone's thoughts?
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I hear that there will be no updates... 10.5.0 is it.
 
djejrejk said:
I hear that there will be no updates... 10.5.0 is it.
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Nonsense! ELABORATE.

Much Ado said:
Well i suppose we'll see Apple apps updated to take advantage of Core Animation, and i'm sure bits will be added here and there...
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I surely hope so. There appears to be several loose ends on the release version. While the OS seem very fast and stable, there's still lots of room for improvement.
 
QuarterSwede said:
Don't you mean 10.5.3 instead of 10.6.3? and then 10.6 not 10.7?

Also, I completely agree that ZFS is coming in Leopard. It's one of the thing they probably wanted to get in the GM release.
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Ha, yes. I seem to be an OS out of sync.
 
TheSpaz said:
For some reason I think Leopard wasn't completely done but, it was done ENOUGH for release.
What are everyone's thoughts?
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Software is never done. That's life.

Of course things will improve, here's how:

[1] 2008 is when Apple said they will be ready to ship very high resolution monitors (upwards of 200dpi), so that is when they will also have a Res Independent UI.

[2] Using Time Machine over Airport was obviously pulled at the last minute, quite understandably for two reasons:

[a] Backup has to work, no debates, no grey areas. Internally I imagine Apple will be absolutely furious about missing the Aperture / Time Machine bug.
If they delayed the software again it would have been a bad idea. You should slip features, not deadlines.

[3] Full ZFS support may be added.

[4 ] Apps like PhotoBooth, Front Row, Bootcamp, Safari 3 were added to Tiger as beta and shipped for real in Leopard. I imagine the same strategy will be implemented during the end of 10.5 life cycle as it was a great success. These apps have certainly benefited from "time in the wild".
 
i bet that they will have the new scroll bars in, in one of the point updates. And they will probably put the easy mac windows restart back in in a point update.
 
i do like leopard, but feel that i was expecting more. it seems like a cross between 10.4 and 10.7 or even 11 (i know 11 is pushing it). it has a new finder, doc and menu bar but at the same time, things like the scrolling bars are just like 10.5

i too get the feeling like apple wanted to add more to leopard but didnt want to delay the released. i am glad it is out though. i would not be surprised if there are some "big" changes by 10.5.1 or 10.5.2

anyone know around when we should see 10.5.1?
 

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djejrejk said:
No, its true, I ate lunch with Steve Jobs last week and he said that apple will issue no updates with Leopard.
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Apparently you were on drugs or something when you "had lunch with Steve"

There's ALWAYS room for improvement. Leopard will certainly see gradual enhancements through updates. ;)
 
Of course.

TheSpaz said:
Remember when people complained about things in Tiger and suddenly in just a point upgrade, they gave us the widget manager in Dashboard? Do you think if enough people complain, that they'll add some more useful features to Leopard for free in a small point upgrade?

For some reason I think Leopard wasn't completely done but, it was done ENOUGH for release until they could secretly sneak some more stuff in there during normal updates. I wonder why everything is vector-based except the scroll bars now. (It may not be ONLY the scroll bars but, that's one of the only things that didn't scale up nicely when using resolution independence.)

What are everyone's thoughts?
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That's the whole purpose of Apple's Feedback Page. Although some users like to attack those of us that dare to find fault with Apple products, Apple are actually quite progressive and DO LISTEN.

My2c
 
Wayfarer said:
Apparently you were on drugs or something when you "had lunch with Steve"

There's ALWAYS room for improvement. Leopard will certainly see gradual enhancements through updates. ;)
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No, its perfect. Apple can't possibly improve. 10.5.0 is it. Period.
 
I think we'll see mostly bug fixes and some small improvements but anything major will be saved for 10.6. It makes sense, from a business stand point. I can already see it, "400 new revolutionary features" with the primary features being "Adjustable menu bar opacity, Finder tabs, options to switch between 2D and 3D dock" and so on...
 
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