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Do you think Apple will ever make a Video game Console?
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That's exactly what i've been trying to get across, as well as the fact that Apple will never be able to get a large enough gaming library quickly enough to sell enough games to offset any losses that they WILL incur on their hardware. I mean, look at the XBOX: it had a huge launch library, but most of the software sucked and M$ had the time and the money to promote their development system, as well as having a (generally) more intimate relationship with game developers than Apple does.
Basically, when you're pricing consoles at their introduction, the lower the better--if you're making a profit on them, the price isn't low enough! Like most of you have proved, console companies work like crazy to reduce their manufacturing costs but they reduce their losses only a year or two after they release the system. Apple doesn't have the deep pockets of Sony and M$, nor does it have the experience of Nintendo. If they release a console, they'll be doomed.
I don't think an expensive TiVo-like set-top box with wireless ethernet is out of the question tho.
I'm beginning to feel like eye now, except I'm putting down consoles instead of pdas. Now if only Jobs made a comment on how they're not going to make a console, I could quote it all over the place like eye
That's exactly what i've been trying to get across, as well as the fact that Apple will never be able to get a large enough gaming library quickly enough to sell enough games to offset any losses that they WILL incur on their hardware. I mean, look at the XBOX: it had a huge launch library, but most of the software sucked and M$ had the time and the money to promote their development system, as well as having a (generally) more intimate relationship with game developers than Apple does.
Basically, when you're pricing consoles at their introduction, the lower the better--if you're making a profit on them, the price isn't low enough! Like most of you have proved, console companies work like crazy to reduce their manufacturing costs but they reduce their losses only a year or two after they release the system. Apple doesn't have the deep pockets of Sony and M$, nor does it have the experience of Nintendo. If they release a console, they'll be doomed.
I don't think an expensive TiVo-like set-top box with wireless ethernet is out of the question tho.
I'm beginning to feel like eye now, except I'm putting down consoles instead of pdas. Now if only Jobs made a comment on how they're not going to make a console, I could quote it all over the place like eye
I was watching CNN during their coverage of the 1996 E3 expo, where they covered the Apple Pippin briefly. I'll never forget it - it was that higher-up at Apple, what was his name, he was wearing the towel on his head and he said, in his Abu-like accent, and I quote,
"It's the computer for people who don't want a computer!"
From that point on until the NeXT merger, I knew Apple was finished...
"It's the computer for people who don't want a computer!"
From that point on until the NeXT merger, I knew Apple was finished...
Well....
Actualy...no....
I found one on eBay! Its was 10 bucks but now its like at $41.99! Search for
"PiPPiN@World"
Anyways... I wanted it not so I can play games on it but to cherish it! It looks so cool.... Like a MACITOSH DREAMCAST! I thought it would be cool to have!
On eBay the guys selling it doesn't have any wires or controllers with it....
Besides I'm getting really into Pac-Man and Mrs. Pac-Man now... Those games rock, I beat Mrs. Pac-Man TWICE! WHOO GO ME!
Well so I guess I'm not kidding kiwi...
Actualy...no....
I found one on eBay! Its was 10 bucks but now its like at $41.99! Search for
"PiPPiN@World"
Anyways... I wanted it not so I can play games on it but to cherish it! It looks so cool.... Like a MACITOSH DREAMCAST! I thought it would be cool to have!
On eBay the guys selling it doesn't have any wires or controllers with it....
Besides I'm getting really into Pac-Man and Mrs. Pac-Man now... Those games rock, I beat Mrs. Pac-Man TWICE! WHOO GO ME!
Well so I guess I'm not kidding kiwi...
Well, I suppose if you're into retro, it's a good buy.
My first computer was a Sinclair ZX81 - with 1K of onboard Ram, a 16K Ram pack, and a small thermal printer - back in 1981. I bought it for $537 (in New Zealand) - and sold it for $70, WITH a black and white TV!!!!
Now, you can't get them for love nor money...
May I suggest getting MacMame if you only want to play arcade games? It's bloody good - and free, to boot!
My first computer was a Sinclair ZX81 - with 1K of onboard Ram, a 16K Ram pack, and a small thermal printer - back in 1981. I bought it for $537 (in New Zealand) - and sold it for $70, WITH a black and white TV!!!!
Now, you can't get them for love nor money...
May I suggest getting MacMame if you only want to play arcade games? It's bloody good - and free, to boot!
The pippen sucked back in its day, but now they are quite the collectable...wouldn't mind one for my collection of apple goodies. As for MacMame, very nice...I'm actually building my full size mame cabnet with a starmax as my computer, no stinkin pc for me. But check back in like 3 years when i actually get that baby finished lol.
The X-Box is getting killed in the console wars. Gamecube is selling about the same number of units but making better profits, and PS2 is way ahead of them both. To paraphrase, it's the games, stupid.
Thus if apple were going to team with game architecture they'd be better off with PS2, although GC might be easier. And if MS has any brains, they'll accellerate their plans for the X-Box 2 and bring out an X-Box plus with the same game capabilities but a new case, a bigger drive(s), and a small processor with the relevant software to handle PVR/Music library capabilities. (They are working on this - that's why they moved the UltimateTV staff to the X-Box division). Or offer a mod for the original box, although that 10GB drive is a little light for such things.
Thus if apple were going to team with game architecture they'd be better off with PS2, although GC might be easier. And if MS has any brains, they'll accellerate their plans for the X-Box 2 and bring out an X-Box plus with the same game capabilities but a new case, a bigger drive(s), and a small processor with the relevant software to handle PVR/Music library capabilities. (They are working on this - that's why they moved the UltimateTV staff to the X-Box division). Or offer a mod for the original box, although that 10GB drive is a little light for such things.
actually...the xbox has much better sales and satisfaction rate than the gamecube does. microsoft is also doing better in the games department (ie. selection/quality)...take a look in stores and tell me how many games you see for each system (don't count ps2 games, there are too many to count).
overall, everyone should just buy a ps2
besides, the gamecube is not HD ready and also does not have a digital sound output...such a waste
sorry for the double post, but i caught this a little late...
it's a 4 gig drive in the xbox, people have complained because they were all told in stores that it was 10 gig, but if you check out the specs...you'll find out you are wrong
Only if they want to loose some money. I can see them, however, buying a game developer to make sure good games are available for thier machines. But it would be easier if they just paid or license Sega to make some sports, racing, and arcade games for them.This is apples weakest catagory (games that is}, and all of their current machines have at least a 600 mhz g3 and 16MBVRAM. so they can handle basically any console type game.
Even better would be a licensed PS@, XBOX, or Gamecube emulator.
but i think apple will never put much emphasis into games. have they ever?
peace
Even better would be a licensed PS@, XBOX, or Gamecube emulator.
but i think apple will never put much emphasis into games. have they ever?
peace
It is standard practice for console companies to lose money on system sales, and make money hand over fist with games sales. That's why is so important for console makers to be backed by big/well known game making companies. Does that mean the company is losing money? No. The profit from software and accessory sales more than makes up for the loss taken on the system sales.
If I had the $$$ for a console I'd go w/the GC. For games I'm like it has the strongest line-up. Especially w/Zelda, Metroid, and Mario Sunshine waiting in the wings. Also I prefer the GC controller to the X-Box or PS2 controller. As for not being HD ready... Well, by the time I can afford and HD TV the next gen consoles will be out so it's a moot issue in my case.
Lethal
If I had the $$$ for a console I'd go w/the GC. For games I'm like it has the strongest line-up. Especially w/Zelda, Metroid, and Mario Sunshine waiting in the wings. Also I prefer the GC controller to the X-Box or PS2 controller. As for not being HD ready... Well, by the time I can afford and HD TV the next gen consoles will be out so it's a moot issue in my case.
Lethal
i could live with that
but
ibook should be to 32 MB
tibook should be to 64 MB DDR
that's where comparable pc laptops are right now
but that will happen, predictably by next year as is almost always the case with apple offering the video capabilities six months to a year later
like i mentioned in another post, there's this pc laptop, priced the same as the 14" inch ibook, with a 64 MB DDR video chip already
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but one thing i have noticed with the lcd screens in laptops is that for fast moving games, there always seems to be some ghosting and nothing seems quite as fast as a desktop with a good crt...i don't notice the ghosting there
the lcd screens i have seen with desktops and gaming has some ghosting, too...but not as bad as on laptops
i wonder if lcd screens will ever get over that problem?
i am not that fast anyway, so it does not really make that much of a difference
"...handle basically any console type game." I really hope you don't think a 600mhz G3 w/ a 16meg vid card could play Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, and/or Gamecube games.
Lethal
Think about tit
What the heck
1) Apple is freinds with sony allready so y Nintendo???
2) A computer is a digital hub to apple at least
3) Computers allready have games
4) Just why?
5) Look at the X
6) Just a Apple video game machine? What would that do
7) Mr. Jobs doesnt like games like Billy Boy!!!!!!!!
What the heck
1) Apple is freinds with sony allready so y Nintendo???
2) A computer is a digital hub to apple at least
3) Computers allready have games
4) Just why?
5) Look at the X
6) Just a Apple video game machine? What would that do
7) Mr. Jobs doesnt like games like Billy Boy!!!!!!!!
Re: Think about tit
If Jobs doesn't like games, then maybe he should separate the two by forcing companies to forfeit the right to make games for the Mac and instead make games for their console. That would balance things out by forcing Apple to lower the price of their Macintosh computers (due to lack of capabilities), and transfer those revenues to the new console. It would also make Apple's platform a better platform for gaming because consumers would have a machine that is completely dedicated to gameplay!
If Jobs doesn't like games, then maybe he should separate the two by forcing companies to forfeit the right to make games for the Mac and instead make games for their console. That would balance things out by forcing Apple to lower the price of their Macintosh computers (due to lack of capabilities), and transfer those revenues to the new console. It would also make Apple's platform a better platform for gaming because consumers would have a machine that is completely dedicated to gameplay!
While I don't own and Xbox and don't intend to unless I can use it as a linux machine the above is false. It is a 10GB hard drive.
http://www.gamespot.co.uk/stories/news/0,2160,2045062,00.html
Re: Re: Think about tit
an apple gamecube type thing would be nice
gaming is a huge market and one that the mac had a big handle on in the past
mac games are still not that shabby though on the computer but a console would definitely sell
Originally posted by Shrek
If Jobs doesn't like games, then maybe he should separate the two by forcing companies to forfeit the right to make games for the Mac and instead make games for their console. That would balance things out by forcing Apple to lower the price of their Macintosh computers (due to lack of capabilities), and transfer those revenues to the new console. It would also make Apple's platform a better platform for gaming because consumers would have a machine that is completely dedicated to gameplay!
an apple gamecube type thing would be nice
gaming is a huge market and one that the mac had a big handle on in the past
mac games are still not that shabby though on the computer but a console would definitely sell
if apple could get in the market with a $199 dollar game box that is small with a dvd player, then that would be nice
the games could pay for everything as is the case with the other companies
make it able to interface with the digital hub concept along with the digital music player and hopefully, cross my fingers, and apple pda and apple camera
there must be a reason for a digital hub...more than just a digital music player
a whole range of accessories, also pc compatible, would revolutionize apple becasue they realize that there is not as much money in personal computers anymore
the future will bring smaller and smaller gear until the desktop computer for the average user, as we know it, will just fade out of existence
and either melt into a pda, a cell phone, built into homes and businesses, or something else
having the average user have a desktop unit sit in there house will become obsolete when pda's and laptops can do just fine
we already got rid of beige and apple's computer designs are going away from the basic sharp rectangle that most pc side machines are today
at least the pc side is slowly getting rid of the beige look
i have already seen desks with thin computers built under the desk or in the tabletop...totally, or mostly out of view...basically disappeareded like the futurists envisioned
in some ways, the cube seemed so nice to look at that it did not seem like a computer on the desk...where i live there is this architecture firm with silver and wood design and a couble of cubes and they fit so nicely into the decor the office really has the effect of having no computers in it
the cubes look more like decor or sculptures
i thought about...fantasied about building a desk which would house the mac server in it and have a flat panel built into the tabletop which could pop up or out, if needed or preferred, and have the total appearance of the "disappeared" or "invisible" computer
just give it a few years...no more desktops (visible) for some of us users...only laptops in sight and some pdas
in my house...two laptops and no desktops
the games could pay for everything as is the case with the other companies
make it able to interface with the digital hub concept along with the digital music player and hopefully, cross my fingers, and apple pda and apple camera
there must be a reason for a digital hub...more than just a digital music player
a whole range of accessories, also pc compatible, would revolutionize apple becasue they realize that there is not as much money in personal computers anymore
the future will bring smaller and smaller gear until the desktop computer for the average user, as we know it, will just fade out of existence
and either melt into a pda, a cell phone, built into homes and businesses, or something else
having the average user have a desktop unit sit in there house will become obsolete when pda's and laptops can do just fine
we already got rid of beige and apple's computer designs are going away from the basic sharp rectangle that most pc side machines are today
at least the pc side is slowly getting rid of the beige look
i have already seen desks with thin computers built under the desk or in the tabletop...totally, or mostly out of view...basically disappeareded like the futurists envisioned
in some ways, the cube seemed so nice to look at that it did not seem like a computer on the desk...where i live there is this architecture firm with silver and wood design and a couble of cubes and they fit so nicely into the decor the office really has the effect of having no computers in it
the cubes look more like decor or sculptures
i thought about...fantasied about building a desk which would house the mac server in it and have a flat panel built into the tabletop which could pop up or out, if needed or preferred, and have the total appearance of the "disappeared" or "invisible" computer
just give it a few years...no more desktops (visible) for some of us users...only laptops in sight and some pdas
in my house...two laptops and no desktops