Do you think MacBook Pro with retina technology will go down in price?

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by xxcysxx, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. xxcysxx macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2011
    Like the tittle says, do you think MacBook Pro with retina screen will go down in price after a few iterations? Or do you think this is a new price standard that we all will have to adjust to.

    The way I see it apple and its innovation technology (retina screen computer specifically) are more of a novelty than a tool. Because one can function just fine with cheaper price non apple computers. By the time ssd and high resolution screens become mainstream with other manufacture, apple will have to find other newer innovation to keep their loyal costumers interested and maintain their premium price, as well as attracting newer customers.
  2. Ccrew macrumors 68020

    Feb 28, 2011
    I think the technology will work it's way across the whole line personally, and prices will stay the same.

    That said, with the explosion of Apple's popularity I'm seeing sales on new hardware and a drop in resale value that's not existed in years past, so unless Apple keeps their hardware on the apex of the technology curve they're going to have to offer more at the same price point or lower pricing to remain competitive. While Win8 gains groans in the tech space, there is some very nice hardware coming out running it at technology levels higher than Apple and at price points much lower.
  3. snoylekim macrumors member

    Aug 7, 2011
    IMHO , the last statement is sort of a myth ..Today , if you go to price out a laptop PC with equivalent functionality and specs of say, the base RMBP 15're very close to or in the same pricing range .. This means adding the 256 SSD, Higher end Display ( full HD or HP DreamColor equivalent) , 8 Gig of memory, and an equivalent I7 processor , oh yeah, and a discrete graphics card ( not the quatro stuff.. that starts to put one way up) .. i tried this w/ HP and Lenovo , and was surprised where the pricing ended up .. equivalent to the base rMBP trickle down to the medium price ranges isn't specific to Apple ..
  4. isephmusic macrumors 6502

    Oct 31, 2012
    the price is going to be that way. the only windwos 8 laptop i know of with that resolution is this samsung one and it cost 2.2k so its comparable . in many many years when 720p fades out then okay the price will come down but not anytime soon. im glad tablets like the nexus 10 have 1600p tho so hopefully everyone else follows suit
  5. Furifo macrumors 6502

    Jun 1, 2010
    IMO, eventually all of the current line up will be replaced with retina models. I can see the cMBP being phased out and the rMBP being offered at price points similar to the current cMBPs.

    Although I don't think this will happen any time soon or suddenly. I think prices and the gradual disappearing of cMBPs will happen over the course of a number of years.
  6. Spink10 Suspended


    Nov 3, 2011
    I am also of this same persuasion.
  7. xxcysxx thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2011
    if this is true then i can only see the the prices for the retina models reduce down close to that of the classics models to maintain main stream customers interest. this is all assuming other manufacture haven't catch up with the new high resolution technology yet.

    i have walked into several bestbuy stores and a micro center where i see a very large crowd on the pc laptop area and very little to no one on the mac laptop area. could you imagine if the mac area has a lowest sticker price at $1599 for a base model laptop, where the pc area has all the fancy touch screen and attractive price tag that floats around the $1000 figures. not that the touch screen is hot selling point to me, but there are a lot of people out there that will dig this stuff.
  8. samuelk0814 macrumors member

    Feb 14, 2011
    Actually there are lots of laptops that will float around the -$1200 range with full HD (1080p), i7 quad core processor, discrete graphics, 8 gigs of RAM, and 256 gb (or more) SSD.

    Some examples being the Lenovo Y580 (which was on Black Friday sale a couple weeks back), and the HP Envy 15 (which was recently discontinued and replaced with a Envy dv6).
    Of course, none of these screens are retina-level, but they're still very nice IPS 1080p full HD displays.
  9. Moshe1010 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 27, 2010
    Samsung already made their own "Retina" display with the same pixel density as Apple offers right now. That's being said, if Samsung and other laptop manufactures would produce Retina-like displays, the price eventually would go down.
  10. AbyssImpact macrumors 6502a

    Aug 6, 2010
    But then Apple will sue Samsung because they are copying them.
  11. snoylekim macrumors member

    Aug 7, 2011
    That would be a great price ..and I , perhaps incorrectly , exclude 'consumer grade' machines when I was looking .. I only look at enterprise or workstation level machines ( Ultrabooks, Thinkpads , or Latitude..) .. I am biased because of the build quality, etc that I need for my use .. I do put the Macbook Pro in this category ..
  12. Moshe1010 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 27, 2010
    Apple can't sue Samsung on Retina display because the displays are originally from Samsung (or LG). Samsung is selling the technology to Apple; Apple doesn't have any patent on Retina displays (except for the name).
  13. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    Apple may own the trademark. I haven't looked it up. Apple doesn't own high resolution displays. I don't think they could even patent the scaling method, as interpolation methods have existed for many years. If they came up with the display design, they may have patents on parts of the construction. It's just not possible to have a patent on something as broad as high resolution displays, especially when they initially surfaced in specialized fields prior to the original iphone, and higher resolution in itself is a naturally progressive concept. In fact late CRTs could display higher levels than we had in lcd displays prior to a few years ago. Make sense? I'm responding just in case this wasn't sarcasm. It appears to be, yet I'm never truly sure on this site.
  14. NewishMacGuy macrumors 6502a


    Aug 2, 2007
    Let's see:

    1. Uncle Sam running deficits at $1-2 trillion a year.
    2. The Fed buying 50%+ of that (monetizing the debt).
    3. Unfunded liabilities from social security and medicare + drug company subsidy at $120 trillion+ (that's not a typo).

    Nope, prices on rMBPs won't be going down until we get the new currency. Prices won't be going down on anything until then, after that they'll come down a lot.
  15. xxcysxx thread starter macrumors 6502

    Oct 12, 2011
    well samsung series 9 wqhd is just around the corner, this will definitely rattle apple's inovation a bit. then it wouldn't belong until other manufactures catches on.
    don't forget the hype here is about the high resolution screen and wafer thin concept, which all are heading in similar direction.

    i cant wait to see what else apple have in their bag of tricks after wafer thin design and high resolution inovation.
  16. Haiku214 macrumors member

    Jul 8, 2012
    I don't think it's the retina display that made the rmbp more expensive than the regular one. It's the SSD.
  17. UnixMac macrumors 6502


    Oct 1, 2002
    Phoenix, AZ
    kinda feel bad saying it but I hope not... I just got mine and I hate when something gets way cheaper AFTER I decide to get it!
  18. Moshe1010 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 27, 2010
    Are you kidding? the display costs $800 (MSRP) compare it to $150-200 display of the MBA or $250-300 of the cMBP.
  19. falconeight Guest


    Apr 6, 2010
    The ssd bay is big enough for a hdd. It will cheapen it but you won't get the ssd.
  20. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    SSDs aren't that expensive. Apple prices them high as they know people will pay, but it doesn't have to be that expensive to include such a density into a standard configuration. If you're looking at cto pricing, you pay for every configuration you make to any machine. It's not just the price of the part. You pay for the custom configuration. It's a bit different when they try to make such a thing into a standard model.

    Are you deriving those from their repair quotes?
  21. richnyc macrumors regular


    Nov 8, 2012
    Yes, over time but not as fast as some people here are expecting it;) For the 2013, I don't see the prices of rMBPs coming down at all...

    Would loved to be proved wrong though;)
  22. Husky8585 macrumors newbie

    Dec 4, 2012
    I think the 2013 15-inch rMBP will come down in price, but not by much. Apple has done this in the past with their laptop lines (see e.g. the Macbook Air). 2013 is going to be a small upgrade for the rMBP.

    My guess is Apple would drop the price of the base rMBP to $1999. They would also make it lighter (~4 pounds), give it the Haswell processor, and update the graphics card. Everything else will stay the same.
  23. Moshe1010 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 27, 2010
    The repair quotes are about right (this is why I wrote MSRP). You won't find any 15" rMBP display over the net less than $500, and nobody insure you that this is an original display (LG or Samsung). Go on eBay and see the prices by yourself. The display is the main cause for the rMBP price mark.
    256GB SSD costs $150-170 (Samsung 830/840), but Apple still charges over $1/GB on these - with no good reason.
  24. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    Agreed. I viewed it as Apple bundling enough things to justify the high cost of entry. I only wondered where you derived such exact figures, but I figured it was most likely repair rates.

    I am fully aware of this. They use them to push high margins. Other oems do this with cto parts as well. The big difference is that Apple makes it difficult to use third party options. The machine is not officially user serviceable, and a special screwdriver is required to access the machine. At that point the ssd is still a proprietary form factor rather than something like mSATA, so you're stuck with a couple possible vendors that have to absorb any development costs from a small number of sales. The ram is soldered in, so you're at Apple's mercy there too. That's the real difference. Cto upgrades tend to be expensive, but they're coupled here with the lack of a do-it-yourself option.

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