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Wow, OK. I'm not doubting you at all. But that is contrary to my own experience. Granted, my usage of Mac OS is not totally job related. It's been very smooth sailing for me with my old '12 iMac. Much better than my experience with 8.6 on my 6500 or Leopard on my G4.
Mine is not job related either. Your experience is a very unpopular opinion/experience. I have not used 8.6 in almost a decade, but I didn't have many problems with it that I remember. I am not a huge fan of classic Mac OS in the first place, though (Sorry macos9lives' guys). It has its uses here and there though. But Mac OS X 10.3 through 10.6 were near perfect IMO, and 10.7 - 10.9 were not bad either. Most people hate 10.7, It's one of those things that why use it when 10.8 exists, but it is fairly stable.

Define "much better performance"? Obviously my 8-Core mac pro on mojave has way better performance than any PPC I have, its a million times faster and is a totally different machine. I'm talking from an operating system quality/stability standpoint. Now the 2008 Mac Pro is a brilliant machine, and paired with a good stable OS it would be unstoppable (like snow leopard or Windows 7), much like the sawtooth in its era. I use my sawtooth almost everyday, btw.
In my opinion, and from what others have said just in this thread alone, and lurking on other threads, new Mac OS' quality is laughable. I'm not saying its unusable, and as my OP says I still prefer it over Windows 10. I also stated that I prefer Windows 7 over "macOS" now (say 10.10 - 10.14). Though I have little experience with 10.10 or 10.11, I'm told 10.11 was the last good one, I just haven't used it a lot personally, and I've never used yosemite. Personally on the outside I find all post yosemite versions to be horribly ugly. This flat, kindergartner-looking UI trend is dreadful. But that is a conversation for a different thread lol
 
Ok here goes.

While I am certainly no professional using a Mac day-in-day-out (and I very much respect you guys/girls that do), I have found my latest Mac the most reliable machine by far. I've upgraded to the latest version every step and this thing trucks along faithfully. It goes for months without a restart which is far more than I can say for any Mac I've ever had before.

I'm kind of astonished that some would consider PPC era Macs as more 'quality'. The cases were kinda of crap. You had to open them up for any kind of specialized work like PCI cards. They broke easily and were a bit janky if you didn't have something like lowendmac or at least some help.

While I like them and have mad nostalgia about them, I can't honestly agree that PPC Macs were higher quality. The fact is that my '12 iMac is running the most current version of Mac OS seven years out from purchase, fusion drive included, it has been rock solid. I love my old 6500 and Quicksilver G4 to death, but this iMac is the best experience I've had with a Mac. I hate to sound like an advert but it's true. My 2013 11" MBA has also been great and is totally current.

Who knows, maybe I will be tempted to buy a new Mac if Apple ever comes out with a new one. But for now, I still don't see much reason to. And that is saying a lot.
 
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A lot of this is nostalgia… if I close my eyes I can still feel the keyboard of my Powerbook G3… the solidity (and heaviness!!) of my TiBook G4…

The desktops were not that elegant to look at, but they definitely had a sturdiness — a no nonsenseness about them. You could open them up and fiddle inside. Some of us like that. Swapping stuff around, adding in components… (Tearing your hair out at the SCSI chain)

For me the build quality isn't the major issue. It is the way that modern Macs are locked down. Soldered tight, screwed in — no entry!
All in the search for thinner… thiner… and fatter profits.

That is what I miss from the PPC days. :)
 
Nostalgia can be huge. I am totally guilty there.

You make good points as others have. I think it's BS that glue is used to keep end-users out, non-upgradeable RAM in some machines, and being corralled to the Apple Store for anything. Etc.

It isn't the way it used to be, and I also miss the PPC days. I upgraded the hell out of my 6500 with everything that could possibly be upgraded. 500 Mhz G3, TV/Video/FM, ethernet, HD, etc etc. It was a lot of fun. And it STILL works!
 
Ok here goes.

While I am certainly no professional using a Mac day-in-day-out (and I very much respect you guys/girls that do), I have found my latest Mac the most reliable machine by far. I've upgraded to the latest version every step and this thing trucks along faithfully. It goes for months without a restart which is far more than I can say for any Mac I've ever had before.

I'm kind of astonished that some would consider PPC era Macs as more 'quality'. The cases were kinda of crap. You had to open them up for any kind of specialized work like PCI cards. They broke easily and were a bit janky if you didn't have something like lowendmac or at least some help.

While I like them and have mad nostalgia about them, I can't honestly agree that PPC Macs were higher quality. The fact is that my '12 iMac is running the most current version of Mac OS seven years out from purchase, fusion drive included, it has been rock solid. I love my old 6500 and Quicksilver G4 to death, but this iMac is the best experience I've had with a Mac. I hate to sound like an advert but it's true. My 2013 11" MBA has also been great and is totally current.

Who knows, maybe I will be tempted to buy a new Mac if Apple ever comes out with a new one. But for now, I still don't see much reason to. And that is saying a lot.
As far as the Beige era is concerned (like your 6500) today a lot of those plastics are pretty crappy. But, starting with the iMac, and the B&W G3, I disagree with your statement. Out of all the Power Macs I own (the ones with handles, you know what I mean) only one of them has a single broken piece. A sawtooth I found at an e-waste center, just one handle. I don't even know how it was broke, someone had to have thrown it on the ground or something. And I've never seen another one like that. I got a B&W G3 in the mail, and it was packed terribly. I opened it and it was perfectly fine. Can't say the same about CRT eMacs and iMacs when shipped like that, but the weight of those CRTs is to blame.
nostalgia definitely has a lot to with why most people like them I'm sure. That's not totally the case with me. At the time of writing this, I am 24 years old. I was too young to have really any of these macs back when they were new. I owned an iBook G3 dual USB 500mhz, and a slot load iMac when I was in my early teens/pre-teens. I still have both of them today and they still work. I actually had a 6500 back then as well. I believe it was already over 10 years old by the time I had it. That was a very rock solid machine, and for it's age I was impressed with its performance.
I've never had a problem with janky macs, especially when working on them. The G4s are G5s particularity are very solid. I've never had one break while working on it. tbh the only systems I've ever had janky things breaking off are HPs and Dells. HPs I find are very janky. PowerMacs, the exact opposite.

I don't find new macs "janky" either. But as arkitect said, some people like to open up their computers. A 2012 iMac is going to be very difficult to do even basic maintenance on when the time does finally come. Hell even if you decide you need a larger drive or more RAM. Good luck with that. And newer ones just get worse. That being said I think some of them are still great machines. But, most are planned obsolescence. At least your 2012 is possible to upgrade. Most are now soldered.
 
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I cannot wake up my Mac from sleep on 10.14. 10.13 is okay, after 10.13.5.

Funnily enough, I can't get a 2011 iMac on 10.13.5 to GO to sleep. It stays up all throughout the night, being loud. I don't think it's Time Machine, unless Apple would allow TM to keep Macs up constantly, which I wouldn't put past them.

Ever tried partitioning a drive in the new OS? It's easier using disk management in windows, unless you need an apple file system of course. Once you figure out how the new disk utility works, it almost never works "failed to erase". Setting different sizes of partitions is a chore as it always resizes the one you just sized to use the rest of the disk. It's just an absolute nightmare. If I ever partition a drive and it isn't APFS or exFAT, I almost always plug into a PPC mac, because disk utility actually works in leopard.

Oh, I hate 10.11+ Disk Utility. People cite OS X El Capitan as "the last good one", but it's the one that broke a ton of things in the first place. It was the first version to ship with the faulty pie-chart Disk Utility. It was the first to implement SIP, another form of lock-down and control. I'm positive I'm missing a ton of other garbage, but I can't sit here pondering at a comment field forever. The truth is OS X Mountain Lion was the last good one. Mavericks sucked. Looks was it's only positive, but even then, it was more like a Yosemite beta (very slow) than a good successor to 10.8.

GNOME Disks or GParted has failed me very, very few times. Given a live install, I could always count on it to save some partition or do something Disk Utility couldn't do. Always.

Aside from these annoyances, stability is way down imo. Aside from crashes here and there. The beach ball of death that APFS was supposed to solve.. Lets put it this way; My Mac Pro with mojave installed on an SSD, still beach balls a hell of a lot more than my 450Mhz PowerMac G4 with a spinner (running leopard, with a SATA HDD). True Story.

Oho. So much for Apple knowing best and automatically formatting any new install of OS X with a fusion drive or SSD as APFS with zero way to graphically change it.

@$$h*!3s.
 
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