boppin

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Hello there!

Do you use Outlook 2016 instead of Apple Mail?

I have to say that I own Office 2016 with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote and Outlook.

I read on German message boards that there are some Mac users who prefer to use Outlook.

The most exciting thing is that Microsoft advertises Outlook with the words: "We speak Gmail". And I do remember that the previous version of Outlook had some problems with Gmail accounts and Apple Mail before OSX "El Capitan" either (there was a bug with the Gmail trash).

Currently I am using Outlook just with my Hotmail account, but somehow it looks awesome.

Before considering "switching" to Outlook 2016 I want to know, what advantages do you notice in comparison to other applications?

By the way, there are also users who still use Entourage 2008.
 

Bending Pixels

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Outlook 2016 is still a castrated version of Outlook for WinDoze. No ability to resize images or videos like with Apple Mail. It's bloated (but that's a feature of all Microsoft software).
 

kohlson

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Me, too. After using Apple Mail for a few years, I switched and never looked back.
 

neutrino23

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No. I have to use Outlook on th Dell laptop I got from work. On the company iPhone I use Mail (setup by IT) and on macOS X I use webmail.
 

angeloweb

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I use Outlook with a couple of different email accounts. Mail is simple, but I like some of the options in Outlook. For example, you can select for images in emails from contacts to show images. Mail requires the click/tap for every email. For newsletters I receive regularly, or emails from friends, I just want it all there. Outlook makes it easier.
 

cdcastillo

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Hello there!

Do you use Outlook 2016 instead of Apple Mail?

I have to say that I own Office 2016 with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote and Outlook.

I read on German message boards that there are some Mac users who prefer to use Outlook.

The most exciting thing is that Microsoft advertises Outlook with the words: "We speak Gmail". And I do remember that the previous version of Outlook had some problems with Gmail accounts and Apple Mail before OSX "El Capitan" either (there was a bug with the Gmail trash).

Currently I am using Outlook just with my Hotmail account, but somehow it looks awesome.

Before considering "switching" to Outlook 2016 I want to know, what advantages do you notice in comparison to other applications?

By the way, there are also users who still use Entourage 2008.
No
 

RednBlue

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Tried it. Didn't like it. Deleted it.
Apple mail does everything I need.
Use the other Office 2016 products though.
 

BrianBaughn

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I have a client that prefers it. However, an update several weeks ago completely changed the folder column layout and she hated it. I had to restore from a Time Machine backup from earlier that day and now she's stuck in "no updates until the app stops working at all" mode.
 

techwarrior

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Outlook 2016 is still a castrated version of Outlook for WinDoze. No ability to resize images or videos like with Apple Mail. It's bloated (but that's a feature of all Microsoft software).

I resize images in Outlook 2016 for Mac almost daily. Right Click (or 2 finger tap on Trackpad) and choose Size and Position. Can also Format with borders, shadows, etc just like in Word.

I use Outlook, Apple Mail, Spark. Apple Mail for iCloud email account due to better integration with calendar, calling, etc. I use Spark for most of my other email accounts. Outlook is used for work email (Exchange Server), the company blocks other email clients.

Outlook for Mac is decent, lacks a couple of features like voting, read receipts. If I really need those features, I reach over to my company provided WinDoze laptop for these tasks. For 99.9% of my email needs, it does the job. I used to use it for Hotmail and a few others, but found myself sending from personal accounts to customers, so I started using Spark for the personal accounts.

Outlook on WinDoze takes about 4 times as long to launch as it seems to be ladened with a dozen or so plugins (Archive, Iron Port, Secure Share) that the IT folks think we all can't live without. That, and the fact that it runs on WinDoze earns the PC version a 1/10 in my book.
 

tarsins

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Stock email app on all my Apple devices for my own email. I use Airmail for work email so that I can schedule notifications to weekdays 7AM - 3PM only.
 

jwolf6589

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Hello there!

Do you use Outlook 2016 instead of Apple Mail?

I have to say that I own Office 2016 with Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote and Outlook.

I read on German message boards that there are some Mac users who prefer to use Outlook.

The most exciting thing is that Microsoft advertises Outlook with the words: "We speak Gmail". And I do remember that the previous version of Outlook had some problems with Gmail accounts and Apple Mail before OSX "El Capitan" either (there was a bug with the Gmail trash).

Currently I am using Outlook just with my Hotmail account, but somehow it looks awesome.

Before considering "switching" to Outlook 2016 I want to know, what advantages do you notice in comparison to other applications?

By the way, there are also users who still use Entourage 2008.

Ever since upgrading to 2016 I use it instead of Mail. 2011 had a bug that would require me to reboot the app every now and then to connect to email, and that bug seems to be gone in 2016.
 

boppin

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The problem is that Apple Mail has a problem with image attachments. They are not shown as attachments in GMail and Outlook 2013.

Interesting is that Outlook Mail for Windows 10 Mobile sends attachments properly.

So I think to switch from Apple Mail to Outlook 2016.
 
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MacGizmo

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The problem is that Apple Mail has a problem with image attachments. They are not shown as attachments in GMail and Outlook 2013.
Probably because you're sending them as inline instead of attachments. I send them all the time and it works fine in Gmail & Outlook on the receiving end. I'll grant you though, Apple doesn't make it obvious HOW to do it. You have to click the "send as windows friendly attachment" preference (do it once and the preference sticks forever) Then you have to make sure that when you create the email, you right click the image and choose the View As Icon option.
 

boppin

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Probably because you're sending them as inline instead of attachments. I send them all the time and it works fine in Gmail & Outlook on the receiving end. I'll grant you though, Apple doesn't make it obvious HOW to do it. You have to click the "send as windows friendly attachment" preference (do it once and the preference sticks forever) Then you have to make sure that when you create the email, you right click the image and choose the View As Icon option.

I tried all of these steps but they don't work.
 

posguy99

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Myself, I just run my work OWA in a Fluid instance. Yes, I have Outlook, it comes with Office 365, but it's just easier to run a SBB. I do the same thing with my personal email on Fastmail.
 

MacGizmo

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It sounds like you're confusing inline display and attachments on the receiving end (which is out of your control as the sender) as two different things. They are not. They're just different preferences.
 

boppin

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It sounds like you're confusing inline display and attachments on the receiving end (which is out of your control as the sender) as two different things. They are not. They're just different preferences.

Well, all those options are set. "Send Windows friendly" and the other one but

neither Outlook 2013 nor GMail recognices the images (JPG files) as an attachment when send with Apple Mail.

When I send two or more JPG files via Outlook mail (Windows mobile) these image appear as attachments in Outlook 2013 and GMail (mail.google.com).
 

boppin

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It sounds like you're confusing inline display and attachments on the receiving end (which is out of your control as the sender) as two different things. They are not. They're just different preferences.

I don't know how to make Apple Mail send PNG and JPG files as regular attachments.
[doublepost=1511469668][/doublepost]I have found an old e mail sent from Mail 6.6 where the attachment is properly send as real attachment. But I don't know how to realize this with Mail 9.3 (Mail from El Capitan).
 

MacGizmo

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Have you tried turning on the two preferences for Attachments found under the Edit menu in Mail. Particularly the last one! I have no idea why Apple doesn't put this into the real Preferences of Mail.

That being said, you're still going to have to right-click the image and select "View as Icon" from the contextual menu every time you send an image—that's what ultimately turns the inline image into an attachment. If you send a bunch of images in one email, you can just "Select All" and right click on any one of the images to apply this to all of them at once.

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Unfortunately there is no default setting for 'iconizing' all images every time. There is Anti Inline Plugin for $15 that will do all this garbage automatically... but I know nothing about the developer, so I'm not sure if it will continue to work moving forward.
 
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