Well, there are certainly some that don't, and some that do. As far as people with iPhone 7, just because they essentially reluctantly accepted the inconvenience and put up with it doesn't mean that they are happy about it or aren't affected by it, even if they do live with it.
iPhone 6(S)/Plus Does anyone else stay here because of the headphone jack?
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Not to mention, Apple gave the opportunity for those who still want to use their wired headphones, the adapter included in the box. But that still doesn’t stop the incessant whining that it’s ‘not the same thing’ or ‘I don’t want an adapter’. Regardless, it’s still an alternative for those who want to use the wired headphones, the adapter was there for those who needed it.
But back to the point, Apple did exactly what they needed to do, and that was to push technology Forward, and even though the headphone jack is appreciated by many, they were not afraid to take the stance that other manufacturers started to follow shortly after. It takes a company to make a bold move to make the necessary changes for the future, some understand that concept, and clearly others don’t. It’s a two sided argument that will never find a common ground, but Apple executed what was necessary.
If it upsets someone that much that Apple deleted the Jack, then find a competitor that includes it and move on to something else, because Apple is _not_ bringing it back. Bluetooth is their belief of a wireless future. Case in point.
But back to the point, Apple did exactly what they needed to do, and that was to push technology Forward, and even though the headphone jack is appreciated by many, they were not afraid to take the stance that other manufacturers started to follow shortly after. It takes a company to make a bold move to make the necessary changes for the future, some understand that concept, and clearly others don’t. It’s a two sided argument that will never find a common ground, but Apple executed what was necessary.
If it upsets someone that much that Apple deleted the Jack, then find a competitor that includes it and move on to something else, because Apple is _not_ bringing it back. Bluetooth is their belief of a wireless future. Case in point.
If people didn't accept it, then nobody would want to buy iPhone 8 forward. But reality said otherwise.
Sure, there's a small number of people being inconvenienced with the removal of the headphone jack, but clearly majority of the market don't see that as an issue, to the point that even Google and OnePlus did it on their phones, two companies that made fun of Apple beforehand/made promise not to.
Since I, as an individual, cannot change the course of the whole market trend, all I can do is adapt since whining about it doesn't do anything other than stressing myself out.
True, but as I and others have found ("Headphone Adapter Clicking" in my earlier post), there is a problem using the adapter with some headphones - in my case, the Bose QuietComfort 20's.
Valid points. And that’s exactly true, there’s a -select few members- who just can’t accept the fact that Apple deleted the 3.5 mm Jack, they’re extremely disgruntled and they want to live being upset about this day in and day out. As I mentioned before in my previous post, if it upsets someone that much, then find a competitor that includes the Jack and Move On versus sulking on a tech site. As you said, the majority have migrated to Bluetooth, and I doubt the 3.5 mm Jack outside tech forums is really that much of an issue for the majority when Bluetooth is constantly evolving and improving.
Well, as I mentioned, reluctantly accepting something doesn't imply anything about it being good or various people being negatively affected by it. They are fairly separate things in many senses.
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Don’t forget the galaxy s10 5g, galaxy fold, Huawei P30 pro, mate x, Sony x1 and the even the Nokia 9 all have omitted the 3.5mm headphone jack along with the pixel 3/3xl and one plus 6t you mentioned.
Come 2020 you might only find the headphone jack with the lg flagahip, and that might not even happen due to yoy decline in lg sales.
The future is either Bluetooth or a dongle.
Cant believe the op is still using a phone from 2015 just because of the headphone jack.
The-Real-Deal82
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If you wanted a newer iPhone than a 6S then you had no choice really so I wouldn’t look too deep with that logic. It’s no secret people have been inconvenienced by the removal and I’ve heard plenty of non-techie people suggest it’s a shame Apple did away with it. I’m not sure if it’s a small number of people who felt inconvenienced or not as there is no data to suggest either way. Wired headphones are far from dead, they’ll be around for a couple of decades yet, it’s just maybe smartphones are not the devices for music going forward?
My solution was to remove music from my phone. I have an old iPhone 5C which I use when out for a run and to be honest it’s much better than trying to jog with an 8+ in my pocket anyway. If I want to listen to music at home I have my iPad so it’s no big deal. I’m not ready for the Bluetooth earphones yet while the cancer tests are on going and the sound quality is gash.
eoblaed
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Every iPhone on the market can still use wired headphones if that's the modality you want to pursue.
And the argument, 'but then .. dongle!' isn't an appreciable one since in this case it's really just an extension to the headphone cable. In any event, it gives people the opportunity to listen to their iPhones with whatever headphones they want.
That was my thought exactly. There are multiple solutions for the lack of headphone jack that anyone can use. Meanwhile everything else on the phone has been improved dramatically, and those changes are all being eschewed for a non-reason.
In the end, those phones from almost half a decade ago are going to die and will need to be replaced. Those that were hanging on to them because they thought a phone without a 3.5mm jack was a terrible thing will get a phone without one (because that's the only real option anymore) and will realize they're still ok, they can still listen to whatever they want however they want, and life will be that much better.
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some times wired earphones not working
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of course apple doesn't care
get a "Voice Control" screen at random times while connected with wired headphones and headphones go dead
-not all wired earphones are effected
-seems to be random or and intermittent
-may be due to a bad connector or ambient room noise picked up by the microphone?
-no way to turn this off in settings.
and
of course apple doesn't care
get a "Voice Control" screen at random times while connected with wired headphones and headphones go dead
-not all wired earphones are effected
-seems to be random or and intermittent
-may be due to a bad connector or ambient room noise picked up by the microphone?
-no way to turn this off in settings.
Removing the headphone jack did not "push technology forward" in any way. It only removed one technology- the headphone jack. (And the phones still have a DAC and amp for the internal speakers! They only saved the expense & space of the jack itself.) The earlier phones already had Bluetooth and a Lightning port.
As I've said before, the adapter is only "there for those who need it" if they carry it with them 24/7 which is an extra burden and will get it lost or broken. Building it into the phone is a far superior solution. The point of a smartphone is that it's one compact device that you have with you all the time. Having to add dongles to it for basic functions defeats that purpose.
With a 3.5mm jack you can play audio on anything-your headphones, someone else's, a home stereo, computer speakers, someone else's car stereo. With the dongle if you don't have it on you 24/7, you can't play audio on any device that doesn't already have a dongle attached.
I can understand why this is difficult for you to understand, as we already elaborated on this on two separate occasions. However, what you’re saying above isn’t true, Point is, the fact that Apple removed the 3.5 mm Jack, wasn’t to inconvenience anyone over anything, it was simply to push the fact that technology was expanding and the 3.5 mm Jack was limiting the iPhones potential in terms of having further camera advancements, processor improvements, water resistance, ect, as noted. The future is wireless, that’s Apple vision, some don’t share that vision, and that’s understandable, but the 3.5 Jack is completely dated/antiquated and not a necessity moving forward in the smart phone era. So you can accept that or move onto another competitor that still includes the 3.5 Jack.
There is only one reality, and it’s the 3.5 mm Jack isn’t coming back, no matter how much someone wants to complain on the Internet about it, it’s the end of an era for something that is being replaced by Bluetooth for a greater reason.
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And that is specifically and only because the headphone jack was removed?
Also, for example, iPhone 7 can't be charged while regular headphones are being used at the same time. Or that can't really be done on the go. Is that an improvement for a user that has been able to do any of those things very easily and basically without a second thought for years before?
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Well, as you pointed out they will settle because they don't have a choice. Given various downsides that exist as described in some posts certainly life will not be that much better and will be that much worse in those circumstances. Generalizations just don't hold up.
eoblaed
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Of course not. I never made such a claim. It stands to reason some things became easier to do by freeing up a fair amount of volume from within the tight constraints of a mobile phone, but I never said the improvements since 2015 were due solely to the removal of the jack, but rather pointing out the obvious reality that huge improvements have been made in that time, and by sticking with an older device, none of those improvements can be realized.
Granted. And this was something I was concerned about at first as well. It turned out to not be much of an issue in the end.
When I say life will be better, I mean they'll realize it was a tempest in a teapot for those few holdouts, the anxiety will dissipate, and once they move to modern, more capable hardware they'll realize the absence of the 3.5mm jack isn't really impactful and they get all the benefits of the greatly upgraded hardware.
Can certainly be more of an issue for some. Ultimately it's an issue that is there nonetheless, and wasn't there before at all--even if it's not much of an issue, it's still more than no issue at all.
It's certainly more than understood that none of this will really get Apple to do anything one way or another. That said, it doesn't change that various people have those feelings and at least in that respect (or anything related to it) things didn't improve for them.
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The-Real-Deal82
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The biggest ball ache I found was I can no longer plug my iPhone into the AUX port in my car for music and charge the phone at the same time on long journeys. I used to be able to use it as a satnav and listen to music but that ability has been taken away. I would just have to rinse the battery and rely on the iPhones own speakers for route guidance now. Since removing all my iTunes music and the fact I only have one adapter, plugging my phone in to the car is a rarity these days. It doesn’t feel like we’ve gone forward technologically I must admit. Cheers Apple.
And the lightning-3.5mm dongle has very poor audio quality. I'd find it more acceptable if it at least had decent sound quality (though I'm sure that would increase its size).
No doubt some if not many people find it acceptable, in the same way that many find low-bitrate MP3s acceptable, and but I suppose that's par for the course in the age of degradation of standards.
I understand perfectly well. I disagree.
This is nonsense. There are water-resistant Android phones with headphone jacks. And a headphone jack has absolutely no effect on the camera or the processor.
I want a phone that works in the present. By the time that anybody makes wireless headphones that have good sound quality, good usability, and reasonable long-term ownership costs, most current phones will probably be obsolete and in the trash. There is no point in selling a phone that only works well in some imagined future.
I addressed this already. Apple dropping something does not make it dated. Being old does not make something dated. The circular wheel is not dated. A standard power outlet is not dated. Copper wire is not dated. Something becomes dated when it is replaced by something newer and better.
The only thing that could possibly make the 3.5mm obsolete and properly replace it is if phones start outputting analog audio over USB-C, and headphones and other devices start using USB-C plugs. I could live with that.
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Really? I haven't heard it. Ken Rockwell measured it and it did well, except for having insufficient power to drive some high-impedance full-size headphones. My objection is to the ridiculousness of having to carry the thing around. Apple products have had good audio electronics in my experience.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/lightning-adapter-audio-quality.htm
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I’m sure some people thought the horse and buggy weren’t dated as well.
Your only options are to adapt or use old tech, each brings their own set of compromises.
Good luck
OK? So if you’re so disgruntled with the iPhone removing the 3.5 mm Jack, then why don’t you migrate to android? Because clearly the 3.5 mm Jack is not coming back either to the iPhone. Not to mention regarding your point about water resistance with the iPhone as being one of the reasons Apple deleted the 3.5 mm Jack, it’s a totally different engineered phone compared to an android device. But I clearly listed a link for you specifically stating that that was one of the reasons why they deleted it, was to help fulfill the IPX7 water resistance, as stated by an Apple executive.
Two things:
1.) The 3.5 mm Jack is dated, it’s ancient history that’s been around forever that doesn’t necessarily need a place in today’s smart phones, and I doubt the amount of noise you’re trying to make over this isn’t even compared to the majority of iPhone users in this world who likely have no issue with the 3.5 mm Jack being deleted. Why? Because consumers would rather have the convenience of a Bluetooth device that has adequate sound, decent battery life and freedom of wires. I think the reason you’re having such a difficult time understanding this, is because you just can’t accept the fact that the 3.5 mm Jack has no place in Apples future product line.
2.) The 3.5 Jack was replaced by something newer and better, that’s called the AirPods. Not everybody wants to support the AirPods, that’s perfectly fine, but for what they offer, there’s a reason they have been the most popular accessory to the iPhone for almost 3 years in terms of what they had to offer with portability, technology and battery life.
As another member stated, either you can accept the fact where Apple is transitioning to, or find another competitor that you can use the 3.5 mm Jack. But ranting on the Internet doesn’t change the future that leaves you behind.
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Don’t miss the headphone jack at all... I’ve long hated wired headphones and couldn’t jump at Bluetooth ones fast enough when they became a thing ha
Rocking SE still, but my big hands desire a bit more width so I am considering getting the 6S.
I am interested in photography though, so a newer X-model draws on me because of that. My wife has the X and her photos are very good, quality is impressive.