When do you guys think Android over took iOS, in terms of innovation? I think it was somewhere between the release of IOS 4 and iOS 5.
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They don't hate apple just to hate them, they probably don't care for apples walled garden approach or cost structure. Nothing wrong with that.
The same could be said for people who just won't buy android because they hate it and are haters. It's called choices and we should be thankful to have them. Just saying.
I tend to think of it as two different core philosophies. Apple prefers to close up most of the OS, and only add features once they're refined, secure and intuitive.
Android typically opens up almost every facet of the OS, with a trend towards closing off parts of it; tightening up security as the OS matures.
No. People hate apple just to hate apple. Obviously there are people like you described but there are also people that simply hate apple cause apples popular.
Android isn't getting knocked out anytime soon. It's the de facto standard for non-Apple manufacturers. But, I do think that Apple is going to have a blockbuster quarter when they release the new devices. It'll probably take maybe half a year for ex iPhone users to realize the new features in iOS 8. But once they do, I think the hardware will really sway some folks. Apple never would've lost a lot of those users in the first place had they released a 4.7" screen two years earlier.
if you have all the different hardware manufacturers and another company making the software, the end product by definition cant be optimal.
the choice, you all tout as an android biggest advantage, is actually its biggest drawback. and it shows more and more. thats why tizen exists.
and this is only the current situation.
the future?
no oems except samsung make money. samsung probably doesnt care about android, only about the galaxy brand. and if they can make tizen similar to android (touchwiz), it will probably replace android. and its a sane thing to do. companies should design both software and hardware in-house to deliver an optimal product.
Alan Kay
next, google earns no money of android and has no control over android. this could pose a huge problem in the future. their 'search business' is shrinking, and they have failed in every other attempt to monetise their 'products', except the search business (90%).
also, android is just a symbian replacement, a free, generic OS other oems, incapable of building their own software use. but unlike symbian, it failed in one HUGE market - premium devices. this is a problem.
why do i care about the future? i dont want to buy into an ecosystem built around a sinking ship...
and maybe most importantly, at least for me, is google MO.
in other words, i want to be a costumer of a company whose products i use, i dont want to be the product itself, if you understand. i dont care for 'free', nothing in this world is for free, so i like to know with what im paying. and i like paying with money...
because of the above, i dont consider android an actual rival of ios, its just a placeholder for another generic, free os to come and to be used in cheap devices... windows on the other hand could be (is) a fierce competitor to ios.
to sum it up, and to end this oftopic rant, if google doesnt start building their own hardware, it will just end up where its almost now, in low-end devices that make no money. so, in may opinion, an os that has no future in high-end devices, IF samsung replaces it with tizen and other companies dont magically start making money, doesnt really deserve a second thought, especially from a financial standpoint.
now, to continue the thread, could someone explain innovation for me?
because i really dont consider downloading torrents, usb drag and drop and costumization innovative. if someone could enlighten me, i would be thankful. but for now, lets keep it 'out of the box' innovative. if you consider the ability to tinker with it innovative, you should go a few steps further and build your own os. so lets keep it 'out of the box'
the choice, you all tout as an android biggest advantage, is actually its biggest drawback. and it shows more and more. thats why tizen exists.
and this is only the current situation.
the future?
no oems except samsung make money. samsung probably doesnt care about android, only about the galaxy brand. and if they can make tizen similar to android (touchwiz), it will probably replace android. and its a sane thing to do. companies should design both software and hardware in-house to deliver an optimal product.
Alan Kay
next, google earns no money of android and has no control over android. this could pose a huge problem in the future. their 'search business' is shrinking, and they have failed in every other attempt to monetise their 'products', except the search business (90%).
also, android is just a symbian replacement, a free, generic OS other oems, incapable of building their own software use. but unlike symbian, it failed in one HUGE market - premium devices. this is a problem.
why do i care about the future? i dont want to buy into an ecosystem built around a sinking ship...
and maybe most importantly, at least for me, is google MO.
in other words, i want to be a costumer of a company whose products i use, i dont want to be the product itself, if you understand. i dont care for 'free', nothing in this world is for free, so i like to know with what im paying. and i like paying with money...
because of the above, i dont consider android an actual rival of ios, its just a placeholder for another generic, free os to come and to be used in cheap devices... windows on the other hand could be (is) a fierce competitor to ios.
to sum it up, and to end this oftopic rant, if google doesnt start building their own hardware, it will just end up where its almost now, in low-end devices that make no money. so, in may opinion, an os that has no future in high-end devices, IF samsung replaces it with tizen and other companies dont magically start making money, doesnt really deserve a second thought, especially from a financial standpoint.
now, to continue the thread, could someone explain innovation for me?
because i really dont consider downloading torrents, usb drag and drop and costumization innovative. if someone could enlighten me, i would be thankful. but for now, lets keep it 'out of the box' innovative. if you consider the ability to tinker with it innovative, you should go a few steps further and build your own os. so lets keep it 'out of the box'
if you have all the different hardware manufacturers and another company making the software, the end product by definition cant be optimal.
the choice, you all tout as an android biggest advantage, is actually its biggest drawback. and it shows more and more. thats why tizen exists.
and this is only the current situation.
the future?
no oems except samsung make money. samsung probably doesnt care about android, only about the galaxy brand. and if they can make tizen similar to android (touchwiz), it will probably replace android. and its a sane thing to do. companies should design both software and hardware in-house to deliver an optimal product.
Alan Kay
next, google earns no money of android and has no control over android. this could pose a huge problem in the future. their 'search business' is shrinking, and they have failed in every other attempt to monetise their 'products', except the search business (90%).
also, android is just a symbian replacement, a free, generic OS other oems, incapable of building their own software use. but unlike symbian, it failed in one HUGE market - premium devices. this is a problem.
why do i care about the future? i dont want to buy into an ecosystem built around a sinking ship...
and maybe most importantly, at least for me, is google MO.
in other words, i want to be a costumer of a company whose products i use, i dont want to be the product itself, if you understand. i dont care for 'free', nothing in this world is for free, so i like to know with what im paying. and i like paying with money...
because of the above, i dont consider android an actual rival of ios, its just a placeholder for another generic, free os to come and to be used in cheap devices... windows on the other hand could be (is) a fierce competitor to ios.
to sum it up, and to end this oftopic rant, if google doesnt start building their own hardware, it will just end up where its almost now, in low-end devices that make no money. so, in may opinion, an os that has no future in high-end devices, IF samsung replaces it with tizen and other companies dont magically start making money, doesnt really deserve a second thought, especially from a financial standpoint.
now, to continue the thread, could someone explain innovation for me?
because i really dont consider downloading torrents, usb drag and drop and costumization innovative. if someone could enlighten me, i would be thankful. but for now, lets keep it 'out of the box' innovative. if you consider the ability to tinker with it innovative, you should go a few steps further and build your own os. so lets keep it 'out of the box'
I agree with everything you said, but google does build their own hardware? It's called the Motorola division and Nexus? Ok it's not 'google' per say but its optimised for Android explicitly
Google is selling Motorola Mobility to Lenovo so they don't actually have their own hardware.
True. But the statistics Apple put up at WWDC are misleading. 85% of smartphones in the world run android. A significant amount of android handsets are low end phones with minimal RAM. The majority of these people don't get subsidized phones and would never be able to buy a $700 smartphone.
Apple doesn't deal with this consumer group at all. Apple caters to wealthy people. You might not be wealthy by US standards, but you definitely are by world standards.
The statistics that Tim Cook pointed out at WWDC was not to convince people to buy Apple products but to point out to Developers that if they developed apps for the latest version of iOS they would reach a broader audience which in turn would bring more revenue.
Android may have 85% of the world mobile market but 65% of those handsets are what many would consider to be junk phones ($215.00 or less). These handsets would not qualify to run apps developed for KitKat.
Either way, he's twisting statistics. Google play has over 40% of app revenue marketshare and is expected to surpass Apple's app store within a few years. You would never know that by his 9% of Android handsets are running kit kat bashing.
I think you're missing the point. Look at it from a Developer's perspective.
If I was a developer and made an app for iOS 7 my target audience would be 90% of iOS devices.
In order to achieve the same target audience on Android my app would have to work on KitKat, JellyBean, Gingerbread and possibly Eclair.
So create an app and maintain/support it on 1 version of iOS
or create an app and maintain/support it on 3-4 versions of Android.
It's a no brainer when it comes to time spent vs money earned.
On top of that developers make more money on iOS platform.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/talkingtech/2014/05/31/developers-still-make-more-money-with-apple-apps/9676431/
I understand your point. Mine is that the majority of android phones (especially in the US and Europe) are running at least jelly bean.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2459051,00.asp
That means there are an equivalent number of modern android handsets to iOS handsets. Your 90%(and Tim Cook's) is irrelevant. And since Android app spending is about to eclipse apple spending(per your article), it would make sense to develop for Android.
To develop for iOS now you have to learn Swift. Which only runs on one OS. Did you take that into your no brainer time spent vs money earned arguement?
The article you posted closes:
"I would imagine that we're going to see a report any day that basically shows that Android spending is now eclipsing iOS," says Mike Jones, CEO of L.A. based tech incubator Science-Inc.
Once this happens, there isn't going to be a statistic you could post that would matter. People will be spending MORE money in Google play. That's all that matters.
What are you talking about?
A developer today can write an app for iOS 7 and it would be available on 90% of the iOS devices out there.
In order for an Android developer to achieve this he/she would have to maintain 3 or 4 branches of code to accomplish the same task.
Get paid the same amount for doing literally double the work.
How is this irrelevant?
I just want to download say, some music from bandcamp and have it show up in my music app without needed to touch my pc. But that will never happen, so until then it's Android phones for me.
For people with no interest in file management however I could see how this could sway them back on Apple's side, but I'm a bit of an advanced user.
For people with no interest in file management however I could see how this could sway them back on Apple's side, but I'm a bit of an advanced user.
This is such a subjective question. What might seem like Apple playing catch-up to die hard Android fans could be seen as welcomed additions to others. The added features are exactly what is making me drop Android and all my Nexus devices for the iPhone 6 and iOS 8.
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Totally agree to everything here. I moved to Android with the release of the Nexus 4. Loved it at first. Loved the customization, changing homescreens, lockscreens, file system access, and all that. But when I get a Nexus 7 and a Nexus 5, I found myself never touching this stuff. The customization is overated and often comes with stability issues. Using widget locker and other lock screens were not at all consistent. Nova launcher, although nice, has its share of problems ultimately pushing me back to the stock launcher. And I don't ever use my two file explorers because there is just no need. All the files I need I have on Dropbox or Copy.
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Totally agree to everything here. I moved to Android with the release of the Nexus 4. Loved it at first. Loved the customization, changing homescreens, lockscreens, file system access, and all that. But when I get a Nexus 7 and a Nexus 5, I found myself never touching this stuff. The customization is overated and often comes with stability issues. Using widget locker and other lock screens were not at all consistent. Nova launcher, although nice, has its share of problems ultimately pushing me back to the stock launcher. And I don't ever use my two file explorers because there is just no need. All the files I need I have on Dropbox or Copy.
I also went to iOS eight months ago because of Android issues you point out above, especially stability, but as I Swype this reply to you from my Nexus 7, I have to say that in the last month or so, my Nexus with all the latest updates has been super solid - perhaps more solid than iOS 7.1.1. That fact is one of the reasons I'm considering ditching iOS and going back to Android.
That's a broad statement though. My time with Android was from Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich to Jelly Bean. Never once did I have any app compatibility issue since newer versions of the OS were design to use older apps.
I've actually found apps on Android to have less compatibility issues then iOS when upgrading to the latest OS. I had a few business related apps that didn't work until they were updated for iOS 7. A lot of that blame goes to poorly designed apps but I never had that issue with Android regardless of how crappy the app was written.
iOS 8 will be gimped all to hell without more RAM.
The fact that I can't research between 3 tabs in Safari without constant tab reloading is annoying as all hell, especially if you are typing content into one of the tabs.
The fact that I can't research between 3 tabs in Safari without constant tab reloading is annoying as all hell, especially if you are typing content into one of the tabs.
Innovation? Probably around Gingerbread. When did Android catch up/overcome iOS on overall quality, I think around Jelly Bean. It didn't help that iOS 6 seemed to be more of a .x update. I know they added Apple Maps in iOS 6which was huge for them and **** on by the public, but I don't blame them for that (gotta start collecting info on a massive scale to be able to put together a decent map application). I think the visual refresh of iOS 7 and the features packed into iOS 8 has put Apple firmly back on top again in terms of innovation and quality. It will be interesting to see what Google has in store for I/O this year.
Realize this is coming from someone whose only smartphones have been iPhones going back to the original and has no desire to use another OS at any point in the near future.