The industry as a whole is stagnant. You can't blame Apple for something that every computer manufacturer is dealing with.
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Does Apple leave potential costomers behind?
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You really think so? Wow, I thought a lot of things changed recently. Santa Rosa, 800 FSB, 802.11N to name a few. Perhaps you're mistaking Apple's slowness to update the Macs with the rest of the industry?
You really think so? Wow, I thought a lot of things changed recently. Santa Rosa, 800 FSB, 802.11N to name a few. Perhaps you're mistaking Apple's slowness to update the Macs with the rest of the industry?
Oh wow, 800FSB, too bad most of the companies aren't offering memory to match those speeds.
802.11N... last time I checked my C2D has that. Anyone, the Santa Rosa platform has shown to be a minimal upgrade. Apple will do it, but what is the point if it doesn't offer any extra performance and adds to the cost (for Apple that is). Sorry business 101 bud.
Whats more, Apple doesn't seel enough computers to drop all their stock for a minimal upgrade. Whether you like it or not, Apple is a business and I expect them to make rationale decisions as to how they handle their products.
I think it would be best to just summarize all this as follows:
Apple makes money from Macs by selling older computer hardware at current hardware prices in order to balance out the cost of developing superior software.
That should make everyone happy. Let's close the thread now...
Apple makes money from Macs by selling older computer hardware at current hardware prices in order to balance out the cost of developing superior software.
That should make everyone happy. Let's close the thread now...
You really think so? Wow, I thought a lot of things changed recently. Santa Rosa, 800 FSB, 802.11N to name a few. Perhaps you're mistaking Apple's slowness to update the Macs with the rest of the industry?
and where are they implemented?
Intel made an 80-core processor but you don't see that.
You're both 100% right. Happy now?
Funny, the OP posted 1 message and this forum went crazy on it. too funny...
You're both 100% right. Happy now?
Funny, the OP posted 1 message and this forum went crazy on it. too funny...
You seem to be the one going crazy. If you don't like a companies practice well then you don't. Simple as that. If you don't want to buy "outdated" hardware. Don't. No one is making you.
I don't understand why people rehash the same topics over and over. It always turns into a silly argument where peopel have to "haha, the forum went crazy, too funny." Give me a break.
Yes, Apple it selling slighty outdated (although recently refreshed) hardware. Anything else? Apple is a small company, they can't stay on the heels of tech even with the best planning. And I ask you this.
There are better things coming besides Santa Rosa (which is here now), such as 45nm chips. But anyhow, yes Apple is selling "old" hardware. Your point was?
One more thing, in response to the "iMac is a laptop" garbage. First off, yes it runs a mobile chip. Which just happen to be the same chips that bin at the same speeds but at a lower voltage than the equivelent desktop machine. WHat does that mean kids? Hmm, better longevity, reliability and stability. Heck, it was all the rage to O/C mobile because of these factors.
Overall mobile are a higher bin than their power hungry desktop counterparts.
Bus speed. Hmm. Head over to Dell and take a look at the E520 running 667mhz memory, even though you can push to 1066 and beyond now. I guess they are keeping up with the times too huh?
If you want to build a PC. I can't argue, yes you can get insane clocks and memory clocks. However, on the PC market Apple is far from behind. Hell, Dells XPS boxes are running 667 memory.
And, note FSB is nearly worthless without the memory speed being equal. And yes, I know that the bus in reality is 667x2, however running memory at 1066 for example offers much better perfomance in terms of bandwidth.
Lol I am the one going crazy? uh did you look at the length of you responses compared to my couple sentence responses? Whose panties are in a bigger bunch here? toodles...
Grow up. Since when does the length of responses determine ones "going crazy?" Please. If you would actually read, you could see my "panties aren't in a bunch." You should try actually making an intelligent post sometime. Makes you look "smarter."
"You're both 100% right. Happy now?
Funny, the OP posted 1 message and this forum went crazy on it. too funny..."
Here is what I mean. You can't actually discuss, just drive by with comments that add zero to the discussion. You need manners on the Internet too, just FYI.
"You're both 100% right. Happy now?
Funny, the OP posted 1 message and this forum went crazy on it. too funny..."
Here is what I mean. You can't actually discuss, just drive by with comments that add zero to the discussion. You need manners on the Internet too, just FYI.
My beef was this:
I needed a replacement desktop because my old Pentium 4 died a fairly quick death. because it happened without any notice as these things do, I was forced to look at buying a new computer fairly quickly. So i looked at the Mac first because for the longest time i was curious. I had a monitor that i like (19" LCD great picture) a keyboard and a wireless mouse set up. I do a lot of photo work and needed a computer that could handle Lightroom, and or handle photoshop without giving me any crap.
*Sidebar: I am going to use the word affordable here after and yes I know the value of the Mac and the components compared to the PC as i have been involved with computers for twenty years.
So i went out to try an affordable replacement and what i came up with was either a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro. Why i left out the option of the iMac was because of said monitor and keyboard. Now the Mini was priced pretty reasonable and a friend of mine actually bought one and raved about it so i considered it until I read some reviews that said it handled CS2 slower. So I shelved that and looked at the Mac pro. I liked this one right off the bat but the price . . . Yes it may very well be worth the price but i could not afford it.
So What i want is a Mac with the Dell experience. I want to go to the Mac website and start with a baseline and build my way to what i need either by budget or by power. Yes you can add a couple of things on the current site but i want I guess as others have said a mid option without a built in monitor. I suppose that may be asking for too much right now as this is not the Mac way, but for me, and my friends the people i know it is hard as ever to switch without this choice.
JM2C
I needed a replacement desktop because my old Pentium 4 died a fairly quick death. because it happened without any notice as these things do, I was forced to look at buying a new computer fairly quickly. So i looked at the Mac first because for the longest time i was curious. I had a monitor that i like (19" LCD great picture) a keyboard and a wireless mouse set up. I do a lot of photo work and needed a computer that could handle Lightroom, and or handle photoshop without giving me any crap.
*Sidebar: I am going to use the word affordable here after and yes I know the value of the Mac and the components compared to the PC as i have been involved with computers for twenty years.
So i went out to try an affordable replacement and what i came up with was either a Mac Mini or a Mac Pro. Why i left out the option of the iMac was because of said monitor and keyboard. Now the Mini was priced pretty reasonable and a friend of mine actually bought one and raved about it so i considered it until I read some reviews that said it handled CS2 slower. So I shelved that and looked at the Mac pro. I liked this one right off the bat but the price . . . Yes it may very well be worth the price but i could not afford it.
So What i want is a Mac with the Dell experience. I want to go to the Mac website and start with a baseline and build my way to what i need either by budget or by power. Yes you can add a couple of things on the current site but i want I guess as others have said a mid option without a built in monitor. I suppose that may be asking for too much right now as this is not the Mac way, but for me, and my friends the people i know it is hard as ever to switch without this choice.
JM2C
Honestly, I can't see how you can be a potential customer if you do not consider buying Apple in the first place.
They current line-up seems to work quite well, especially looking at Apple Inc. market value compared to Dell (twice the value of Dell currently).
But as everyone points out, PC users would love to have a mid-tower to play with but Macs are not a hobby computer to fiddle around with. You place it somewhere and it works.
Apple does very good because they still manage to offer enough performance at every segment with a reasonable price. At least 90% of the market does not need a Mac to be upgradeable, and thus they thrive.
If computer users are after bang for the buck gaming, I highly recommend looking at consoles. They offer much better value in that sense (I know, I would rather play on my PC for the most part).
They current line-up seems to work quite well, especially looking at Apple Inc. market value compared to Dell (twice the value of Dell currently).
But as everyone points out, PC users would love to have a mid-tower to play with but Macs are not a hobby computer to fiddle around with. You place it somewhere and it works.
Apple does very good because they still manage to offer enough performance at every segment with a reasonable price. At least 90% of the market does not need a Mac to be upgradeable, and thus they thrive.
If computer users are after bang for the buck gaming, I highly recommend looking at consoles. They offer much better value in that sense (I know, I would rather play on my PC for the most part).