Other does apple ship the latest firmware on new phones

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Anarchy99, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. Anarchy99 macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    random question: my current 6+ is bootlooping because of a failed jailbreak

    Not wanting to live unjailbroken, The way I see it is I have 2 options
    I'm either switching to back to android after 7+ years of iOS or is there a possibility if I bought a new phone from Apple.ca It may have iOS 11.2-11.3.1?

    I would just order it, But I figure on forum full of Apple people someone must've bought a phone recently knows whether it would be a waste of my time to order and wait for something i may have to immediately return

  2. BasicGreatGuy Contributor


    Sep 21, 2012
    In the middle of several books.
    Depends on where the phone is bought and how old the inventory is.
  3. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    probably a 8 or a 10
    im of two minds at this point im either overpaying for a 6s+ or loosing my beloved headphone jack so if i choose to loose it then i might aswell go high end then again its only a few months to the new phone so if thats my choice the best option is the cheapest thing to get me by the next few months then get the latest and greatest.

    really im at a loss at what to do, its a hard choice to make that just leads to more hard choices
  4. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

    Newtons Apple

    Mar 12, 2014
    Jacksonville, Florida
    One of the disadvantages of JB.
  5. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    one of the disadvantages to apple's user hostile approach to requiring firmwares to phone home before a install.

    like our macs we should be able to upgrade, downgrade or change the OS on our own devices
  6. Shadowbech macrumors 601

    Oct 18, 2011
    Planet iPhone
    It depends on the Store inventory or warehouse inventory if you order online. Some Apple store may carry phones built in 2017 (i.e: Purchased one in April and got the December 2017 build), depending on how much stock they received and how much they sold and they continue to receive shipments.
  7. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    thats annoying with that being the case id proabably order several and return all but one assuming one was low enough
  8. Ulenspiegel macrumors 68030


    Nov 8, 2014
    Land of Flanders and Elsewhere
    None of my iPhones over the years had the latest firmware.
  9. Shirasaki macrumors 604


    May 16, 2015
    As stated above, it is purely a matter of luck. I got one iPhone with an old firmware by the time I purchased it. Then I got one with the latest possible.
    Also, you can only return so many times until Apple tells you to stick with what you get. Good luck.
  10. pika2000 macrumors 601

    Jun 22, 2007
    How's that user hostile? Getting user's phones to have the latest software is user hostile?
    Even Steve Jobs wanted the original Macintosh to be non-user-accessible.

    I have a feeling you are playing with the wrong toy.

    As for inventory of older stocks, try the likes of Target/Best-buy.
  11. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    forcing it with no option to revert to its previous state if you need/want because something breaks or maybe you just perfer it.

    how many people kept a 10.6 mac for Rosetta after the fact, or use backups which can restore the old OS if needed.
    not to mention apple may hide the pages of old versions of OSX on the app store but if you have the URLs you can still download them.

    the fact is if my phone didnt need to get the OK from a apple server before reinstalling the software it had on it last night i wouldn't be desperately looking for a fix and/or phone shopping.

    they'd claim security, but their "security" had me stuck on 9.3.3 for 2 years what is more secure? being on a 2 year old OS or being on 11.3.1 instead of 11.4.

    its apple being spiteful there is no legit reason to block the install of old firmwares other than forcing people into my type of situation.

    people say that, yet the most user-serviceable macs existed under his tenure, but even if I accepted the premise you have to admit hardware is different than software.
    imagine if your mac only ran things from the appstore, no terminal, scripting or anything else to either bypass it or even automate/customize what you can do.

    or another great analogy imagine if the iphone still only ran web apps pre-appstore style

    Sadly ive been feeling that more and more lately, apple's like an abusive spouse, i need them, they have me locked in in several ways but they used to be all sweet but they've changed, little by little over the years.

    its the 1st time in 30 years i may be switching what my primary computing devices are.
    if i end up moving off iphone, back to android thats one foot out of their ecosystem, they already have me supplementing some of my real macs with less anemic hackintoshes
    whether they screw up the modular mac pro and possibly the next macbook pro will be the final nails in the coffin but thats besides the point.

    living more rural its easier for me to order several and test them and ship them back then drive a few hours on a gamble, thanks for the tip though, if my apple gambles fail that may be a option.
    luckly ive never had a problem returning several units before but thats probably aided by the fact i spend 2-5k a year with them
  12. JackieInCo Suspended

    Jul 18, 2013
    I bought an unlocked 256GB gold 8+ directly from Apple on April 8th that had 11.2.1 on it. I upgraded it to whatever the latest was at the time. I think it was 11.3.1 and now I have 11.4 on it.

    I was thinking of waiting to JB it when it was on 11.3.1 but going by how many tweaks are being released weekly, I feel it's no longer worth it. I have a coupld of SEs on 11.1.2 that are jailbroken and there are maybe 5-10 tweaks being released maybe every 2-3 weeks that I check. Maybe things will change in a few more months considering the new JB was just released but it no longer interests me because the devs seems to have given up.

    I still have a iPad Mini 2 and an iPhone 6 on iOS 9 that are jailbroken but I hardly use them anymore.

    As far as Androids go, more and more are going the locked bootloader route so rooting is becoming less of an option as time goes on. The last Android phone that I bought that I was able to root was a Note 5.
  13. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    I'll admit my want of a jailbreak is becomming less and less each year but iOS even with its new workflow based siri automation its not where i was yesterday or years ago for that matter thanks to jailbreaking.

    • the main tweak thats almost a complete dealbreaker on its own is systemwide (including in-app) adblocking
    • flex 3 for app specific interface/fuctionality tweaks.
    • veency - at least once a every few weeks for some reason or another i VNC into my iphone.
    tweaks to add functions to my old phone to make it feel less old eg.

    • enabling live photos on unsupported devices
    • fake force touch
    • enabling hey siri on battery
    • new emoji
    • picture in picture on any video
    • airplay on any video
    • the force touch the keyboard thing as a character selector i use daily even without force touch)
    • use a ps4 controller as a gamepad (not that i game on ios often) but its bluetooth and apple has gamepad support i should be able to use any input device without a jailbreak
    • having siri control spotify instead of apple music
    yes i realize much of that stuff would be available to me if i updated IOS and/or bought new hardware, but not all and im still loving my headphone jack.

    even if i dont control my phone directly its crazy what you can script/automate

    with activator you can make custom actions which you can tie to commands,buttons gestures even accesories like my pebblewatch)
    add assistant+ to that to be able to do custom siri responses
    not to mention a terminal allowing you to do full python & shell scripting

    if that doesnt tickle your fancy for anything you cant figure out in the filesystem to manipulate you can use autotouch and macro repetitve stuff on screen.
    tie those all together and you can literally perform any function on the phone by voice, triggered by text,email etc.

    apple it playing dress up when i comes to automation on iOS siri shortcuts is a joke barely more capable then workflow (because it is workflow)
    yet on the mac i can do all that as well with apple scripting, automator, terminal etc. so people at apple unserstand what i want.

    sideloading of apps and 3rd party appstores (im not even talking about piracy) most free garbage apps i will grab in appcake or similar because i can up/downgrade app versions or delete it and pretend i never touched it
    I hate that i can not delete the fact i own items on the appstore (yes you can remove it from a device but unless its changed it still shows you downloaded it) i dont know why i like that level of control and i concede that is the only illogical point but similar how netflix has a delete from viewed history i want that on the app store

    i just dont see apple enabling filesystem access, scripting, a vnc server or full adblocking let alone sideloading and/or 3rd party appstore's

    so till then i fill that need myself
  14. old-wiz macrumors G3

    Mar 26, 2008
    West Suburban Boston Ma
    I miss the file system too, but it is not a big deal for me. other than that I have no issues with my iPhoneX. The additions you want seem more useful if you use an Android phone.
  15. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
    Everything we have ordered recently ( last month or so ) have come with 11.4.

    Samsung makes some really high end mobile devices and would probably better serve your wants/needs in a mobile device. Get rid of Android and install Ubuntu Touch ( UBports ), Plasma or Tizen. Your life would be much happier.
  16. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    they probably are, me and android have a rough past, I originally had a WindowsMobile phone because in canada you couldnt get a iphone when they were new.
    once android was released there were builds that you could install on that phone some requiring tweaking drivers from other phones, it was a very early hackintosh days kind of endeavor but I was stuck to the phone because it had a mythical unlimited data plan which in canada is unheard of.

    so after that phone was toast and I could no longer find donor parts for when it broke I had to clone the ESN and such as well as a hacked rom for a newer droid so the carrier thought it was this old windows mobile phone.

    eventually due to a glitch in bell's system when they switched from CDMA to HSDPA I was able to get a simcard with my plan and thus a real iphone.
    so after cobbling together semi-tolerable solutions while pining for a iphone for years I vowed to stay iphone and I have ever since.

    Im in IT so I'm surrounded by PCs and Macs but I prefer macs whenever possible because I've grown up with them, so really its a mental block I cant really get past.
    I realize android today is not comparable to android 1.0 to 4.x which is what I'm familiar with but to me it still seems clunky, randomly laggy whenever I've used a device.
    (yes I realize jailbreak stuff can impose lag but the core OS isn't lots of android apps I've seen can be laggy when working like a normy would use them)
    also, FFS android app developers have some UI consistancy

    TLDR version: Jaded past with android
    Mac/Apple guy
    like the look/feel of iOS
    cant get past my own preferences

    as for the iphone X i liked it for the 2-2 1/5 weeks i had it, just miss the headphone jack and in some cases touch id
  17. BiggAW macrumors 68030

    Jun 19, 2010
    It's not use hostile to force updates, but it certainly is user hostile to not allow a phone to be easily rooted and apps sideloaded or alternative stores used. That being said, these days, pretty much everything that Jailbroken apps did is now part of iOS itself, making Jailbreaking obsolete. If you just want to screw around with aesthetics, get an Android phone.
  18. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    I beg to differ, taking away freedom seems hostile.
    giving the users the opportunity to have easy to access updates if they want would not be user hostile.

    but even without being hyperbolic preventing me from using a device I own that you(Apple) have no legal claim to is also in my opinion.
    the fact is if I didnt update to a firmware apple arbitrarily allows my device would still be bricked.

    its the equivalent of forcing me make a choice with a gun to my head and afterwards saying i have no right to complain because i made a choice.

    I agree, Ford cannot tell me where to drive my Escape after i bought it, in the same vein Apple doesn't have any claim over my phone. *(assuming it was a full purchase and not there leasing thing.)

    As mentioned in my long rant the automation possibilities with a jailbreak dont come close to what apple offers and having not updated in years i had many scripts and such that are part of my everyday workflow i will now need to find new solutions too.

    also adblock

    some things you are right have been incorporated in iOS,even more may partially be with iOS12 but most things have not.
    im not the typical jailbreaker who does it for theming or piracy but even if I was it would be the principle of the mater.

    could care less about aesthetics, never changed them, i like iOS's icons heck i even use the default walpaper, I care about increased functionality.
  19. macfacts macrumors 68030


    Oct 7, 2012
    You can use a dongle to get a headphone jack.
  20. Brandonjr36 macrumors 68000


    Sep 12, 2016
    Go buy one immediately and if it’s not on 11.2-11.3.1 then update to iOS 11.4 BETA 3. If it’s still being signed you’ll be able to jailbreak then. Hopefully it’s on 11.3.1 tho
  21. Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    and then loose the charging port, apple should have put two lighning ports on the phone if they wanted that to be a solution, heck making a dongle with both would be a start, that said the 3rd party ones like that are bulky
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    already ordered some just waiting for them to arrive
  22. Brandonjr36 macrumors 68000


    Sep 12, 2016
    You ordered more then one phone?
  23. BiggAW macrumors 68030

    Jun 19, 2010
    I'd argue that security is enough of a reason to force updates. However, if they gave you root access and an unlocked bootloader, you could basically do whatever you want manually.

    That's why we need the right to fix laws, both for tractors and iPhones. You should be able to do what you want with your own device, as long as it complies with the law.

    I get why carriers lock a leased device, but even then, you should be able to load whatever software on it you want.

    Scripts to do what? You really sound like you need a Galaxy S9 or something like the OP6. You're way over the level of even most geeky iPhones users on this forum TBH.

    I'm a former jailbreak user, and everything that I jailbroke for is either now part of iOS (flashlight, folders), part of my AT&T plan (hotspot), or just sort of dumb/gimmicky/made obsolete by newer and larger phones (Alpha Tag changer).
    --- Post Merged, Jul 11, 2018 ---
    I can't really disagree with your sentiment on the headphone jack, but I think you really need a Galaxy S9.
  24. Anarchy99, Jul 12, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2018

    Anarchy99 thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Dec 13, 2003
    gambling on ios versions also unsure what model i'd go with (8+ or 10 RIP headphone jack ;'( )
    but yeah so i'll have 2ish weeks to decide once they arrive hopefully tomorrow
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    Once again I do agree except common sense says they'd rather me X.X.1 Versions behind then being on OS that's multiple years old and 2.X.X behind.
    Outside of that, assuming they assume most people won't think forced iOS updates for security are a dealbreaker their inconsistency says that's not the case

    For example just recently people within 8 or 10 found they can still downgrade to a Beta firmware that is jailbreakable but that same firmware on 5s through 7 is not signed.

    This is been the most recent example but there have been several throughout the years, if it was purely security then they would close it for all devices.
    why leave some people vulnerable and not others?

    I agree, heck even if they didn't do that
    if they just turned on the signing servers for any firmware it would basically end up being the same outcome for most people.

    I agree again

    I agree again

    interacting with my home automation stuff, lots of stuff based on incomming emails, generating reports, formating photos with certain tags & filters in formats that businesses clients i have for use.

    lots of the report stuff i can move to a mac.
    the photo manipulation is a little harder, there are one click things ios apps can do that would need a human in a editor like lightroom/photoshop to do on a mac.
    the home automation stuff, i mean the iphone is a ARM based pocket computer.
    its used by virtue of being on me at all times.

    plus some of its for the nerd factor. i like that i could send a message to the phone and aslong as the subject contained a flag it would know to parse what told it to
    (limitless possibilities if i wanted to waste the time coding what it should do)

    I guess i probably am a more geeky user on the forum, Sometimes easy to forget that not everyone has a computer science background.

    I'd say that's what most people use a jailbreak for, even me in many ways.

    Which actually reminds me, not being able to Hotspot was one of the restrictions of my unlimited data plan.
    so I did that as well to bypass the detection.

    while scripts in aggregate probably composed the majority of what unauthorized code ran on my phone on daily basis.
    most of the stuff that affected me as a human day to day where the features I mentioned above giving new functionality to an older device and adblock

    neither can I, headphone jack FTW

    I'll look into the possibility, I see you Samsung.ca site does say they have a two week return policy if it's even close as lenient as apple's I might try one out for a week or so.
    (I just don't want to be stuck with the thing if they have some weird usage loophole etc.)

    I've already got iPhones on order so it could be a showdown :D
    i imagine even if i like it my longtime apple bias may effect my decision even if i have to live with stock iOS

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