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I wish someone would have bought Zeo out. Or better yet Apple would acquire the tech and make a detected sleep tracker to supplement the :apple:Watch.

I still have mine in the back of a closet.

EDIT: Here we go Zeo link.
 
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Best thing I've found to track sleep is Lark (I turned off all the other tracking features in it), but basically you can set it to use your Apple Health step counter, and it looks at the time from when you stop moving at night until the time you start moving in the morning, and says 'hey, this is probably when you were asleep' and asks you to verify the times, and then adds that information to the Health app. It works extremely well if the last thing you do before bed is take off your watch, and then you put it on first thing in the morning.
 
I dug my Zeo out and here is a picture of the box. The one negative is having to wear the 'hippie looking' headband.

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If Apple does implement sleep tracking somehow, when would you charge your phone then? Unless you want to be tethered to the wall (at least one day a week, likely more than that), I say you're better off with a dedicated sleep tracker or an app like Sleep Cycle.
 
If Apple does implement sleep tracking somehow, when would you charge your phone then? Unless you want to be tethered to the wall (at least one day a week, likely more than that), I say you're better off with a dedicated sleep tracker or an app like Sleep Cycle.

I assume you meant to ask when you would charge your watch? You just need to charge it before you go to sleep. Like, say, put it on the charger after dinner while you are watching TV. Put it on before going to bed. Then top it off while you take your shower in the morning.
 
I assume you meant to ask when you would charge your watch? You just need to charge it before you go to sleep. Like, say, put it on the charger after dinner while you are watching TV. Put it on before going to bed. Then top it off while you take your shower in the morning.
I have the 38mm watch and use the sleep pulse app. I charge my watch before bed and when I wake up its around 85%. That's after 6-8 hours of sleep.
 
I tried to use numerous sleep tracking app and I stopped using it because:

1). Not sure how accurate the tracking is. There are days where the app reported my sleep quality at 80% but I woke up feeling crappy.

2). It's hard to read the tracking result. Is a lot of sleep -> deep sleep -> sleep good or bad? How about long period of deep sleep? The graphs varies so much I couldn't figure it out.
 
I tried to use numerous sleep tracking app and I stopped using it because:

1). Not sure how accurate the tracking is. There are days where the app reported my sleep quality at 80% but I woke up feeling crappy.

2). It's hard to read the tracking result. Is a lot of sleep -> deep sleep -> sleep good or bad? How about long period of deep sleep? The graphs varies so much I couldn't figure it out.

Which apps did you use? How did they determine this "sleep quality"?

Basically, a normal sleep should consist of cycles of light sleep and deep sleep, and each cycle should be about 90 minutes. A bad sleep would tend to consist of too short cycles, or just waking up a lot instead of staying asleep. But how you feel when you wake up can depend a lot of where in your cycle you are woken up. Many people feel fine with about 4-5 hours of sleep, provided that they are woken up when they are in a light part of their sleep cycle, whereas if you are woken while in deep sleep, you could feel groggy even if you've been sleeping for 8 hours.
 
Personally, I don't like to sleep with a watch on. Half the reason I never used Fitbit to track my sleep. I use SleepCycle which I have used about three years now and it works great. Just as a personal preference, even if apple gets the watch to last for days, and can track sleep, I'll probably still take it off at night.
 
Which apps did you use? How did they determine this "sleep quality"?

Basically, a normal sleep should consist of cycles of light sleep and deep sleep, and each cycle should be about 90 minutes. A bad sleep would tend to consist of too short cycles, or just waking up a lot instead of staying asleep. But how you feel when you wake up can depend a lot of where in your cycle you are woken up. Many people feel fine with about 4-5 hours of sleep, provided that they are woken up when they are in a light part of their sleep cycle, whereas if you are woken while in deep sleep, you could feel groggy even if you've been sleeping for 8 hours.

I tried Sleep Cycle, Sleep Bot and another one I forgot the (Time Sleep?) and they determine the sleep quality. I don't have these apps installed anymore but I used Sleep Cycle the most, about 6 months.

Sleep Cycle show a graph of my sleep: awake, sleep and deep sleep. However, I am not sure which cycles should I have that constitute a good sleep. There are times where I have long cycles of sleep and deep sleep over 8 hours, but the app show I only have >50% sleep quality. On the other hand, I have short cycles of sleep and deep sleep and I have >90% quality, but I woke up feeling tired.

I think it may have to do with how the app track the movement and sound and gets a bit inaccurate.
 
If Apple does implement sleep tracking somehow, when would you charge your phone then? Unless you want to be tethered to the wall (at least one day a week, likely more than that), I say you're better off with a dedicated sleep tracker or an app like Sleep Cycle.

Post WatchOS2, I doubt you'll see Apple roll out new apps .. They will leave that to 3rd party developers. I am sure many sleep tracking apps are under development as I write this since developers will now have access to all the sensors necessary for sleep tracking .. accelerometer, heart rate sensor, etc.

My guess is you won't see sleep tracking from Apple, but you'll have your pick of many apps from others.

As for when you'll charge it .. whenever you want to, except when sleeping. Personally, I charge mine during showers, while sitting at my desk at work, in the evening while watching TV, etc.
 
I tried Sleep Cycle, Sleep Bot and another one I forgot the (Time Sleep?) and they determine the sleep quality. I don't have these apps installed anymore but I used Sleep Cycle the most, about 6 months.

Sleep Cycle show a graph of my sleep: awake, sleep and deep sleep. However, I am not sure which cycles should I have that constitute a good sleep. There are times where I have long cycles of sleep and deep sleep over 8 hours, but the app show I only have >50% sleep quality. On the other hand, I have short cycles of sleep and deep sleep and I have >90% quality, but I woke up feeling tired.

I think it may have to do with how the app track the movement and sound and gets a bit inaccurate.

An app (or its website) should tell you how it's judging "sleep quality". If it doesn't, then I'd say it's not a very well conceived app. And yeah, your post reminds me why I gave up on sleep cycle apps, they never gave me consistent results. I'm thinking because they depended on using the phone to measure how you were sleeping. A watch should be more accurate, but in the end, the only way to accurately measure sleep is by measuring brain waves. So even with the watch, I expect some users will experience inconsistent results.
 
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