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Isn't NFC in the device? What does it have to do with sim card? I must be missing something here. Are you saying if there is no sim card, then there is no way to use Apple pay? Which means that Apple Pay is somehow tied to your phone number?
 
Ive worked at verizon and ATT and I can tell you NFC secure sim cards are indeed different, dont believe me? Try to put a regular sim in an android phone and try to fire up ISIS(now softcard lol) and see what it says.

That's for an android phone. Yes there are special NFC sim cards for Android phones, not for iPhones.

On the iPhone, NFC Apple Pay is built into the secure element in the iPhone HARDWARE. The carrier receives absolutely no part of the apple pay transaction. Only the merchant and your bank get that information (along with yourself).

People need to stop giving misinformation about things they know nothing about. Apple pay isn't even enabled yet, and will be enabled via an iOS update, completely independent of any carrier.

If i'm not mistaken, Apple pay will work even without a sim card. Your phone basically transmits the token via NFC thru the merchant terminal, which then transmits that token to the bank which decodes your information and charges your account. Nothing to do with the carrier at all.

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Isn't NFC in the device? What does it have to do with sim card? I must be missing something here. Are you saying if there is no sim card, then there is no way to use Apple pay? Which means that Apple Pay is somehow tied to your phone number?

It has nothing to do with the SIM card at all. Android people speaking from android experience have no expertise when it comes to iPhones.
 
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That's for an android phone. Yes there are special NFC sim cards for Android phones, not for iPhones.

On the iPhone, NFC Apple Pay is built into the secure element in the iPhone HARDWARE. The carrier receives absolutely no part of the apple pay transaction. Only the merchant and your bank get that information (along with yourself).

People need to stop giving misinformation about things they know nothing about. Apple pay isn't even enabled yet, and will be enabled via an iOS update, completely independent of any carrier.

If i'm not mistaken, Apple pay will work even without a sim card. Your phone basically transmits the token via NFC thru the merchant terminal, which then transmits that token to the bank which decodes your information and charges your account. Nothing to do with the carrier at all.

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It has nothing to do with the SIM card at all. Android people speaking from android experience have no expertise when it comes to iPhones.


relax, i said in a second post I'm not 100% sure on the apple part, got it. You're right man. :cool:
 
Stop giving wrong information. You cannot make a non nfc authenticated sim work in an iPhone 6. It's a security measure built into the sim.

Sure you can, it's called Apple and they made the NFC INSIDE THE DEVICE, NOT INSIDE THE SIM CARD. That's the difference between crappy Google that can't handle things the easy way and Apple.
 
Sure you can, it's called Apple and they made the NFC INSIDE THE DEVICE, NOT INSIDE THE SIM CARD. That's the difference between crappy Google that can't handle things the easy way and Apple.


LoL. Relax you are an apple fan boi who has no experience other than one phone.

The android phones have it built in as well. Please sit back and read rather than post. Your the reason people put iPhones in microwaves.
 
LoL. Relax you are an apple fan boi who has no experience other than one phone.

The android phones have it built in as well. Please sit back and read rather than post. Your the reason people put iPhones in microwaves.

Oh no you called me fan boy, I'm going to cry. Please say you're sorry.

P.S I have an LG G3 here next to my iphone. This was the main reason I got the 6+ because it's crap (not the device itself but the OS).
 
People there is a choice - NFC payment application on SIM SE or on embedded SE. There is a choice. Apple solution uses embedded SE. Of course one is free to put another sim with another nfc solution. Such us travel tokens or even a different credit card. The permutations are there for OEMs and carrier to configure. Nothing new here and there is nothing apple is doing that has not been done before.
 
Oh no you called me fan boy, I'm going to cry. Please say you're sorry.

P.S I have an LG G3 here next to my iphone. This was the main reason I got the 6+ because it's crap (not the device itself but the OS).


Since you said please. Sorry
 
Does AT&T have to have your IMEI on file for the phone you are using for the NFC payments to work?
 
Jesus, the misinformation in this thread. The short answer, no, there is only one type of nano SIM card to be used in the iPhone 6. It's in the tech specs. Call Apple support if you need further validation.
 
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Sure you can, it's called Apple and they made the NFC INSIDE THE DEVICE, NOT INSIDE THE SIM CARD. That's the difference between crappy Google that can't handle things the easy way and Apple.

If you got that idea from my previous post, I apologize. I have just corrected it. Please go back and read it again.

Google Wallet in the US also used an embedded SE (Secure Element) at first, not an SE in a SIM.

Samsung started including an embedded SE with the Galaxy S3, in order to allow NFC payments around the world without an expensive NFC SIM. However, many US carriers forced this internal SE to be disabled, thus requiring an NFC SIM which included their own Softcard (Isis) wallet.
 
There are a number of solutions where the payment can be. Apple just implemented it on the embedded SE. In general, the SE can be embedded or on the UICC or even removable SD card. HCE (as supported by android) offers even more options where the payment application can reside.
 
Does iPhone 6/6 Plus use NFC specific nano-sim card?

So I picked up T-mo contract-free 6+ today at UPS. Popped in my Net10 sim from 5s, no problem with activation. Updated to 8.1., went to Apple Store and used Apple Pay to make a purchase. It worked fine. So I don't think sim have to be a specific type.
 
You do not need to get a new sim card. The chip is in the iPhone 6. The Apple watch will have it embedded in the watch and will work with the 5 and 5S. No where does it say you need to get a new NFC sim for the 5 or 5S. Again, you do not need a new sim. Don't believe the BS. Same goes with the iPad. You will be able to use it with the Apple watch to make purchases via NFC. Guess what, it will work with the newer iPads that have NO sim cards. Think about it.
 
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I put my 5S T-Mobile SIM into my 6 Plus, and never got any messages about missing features or call for an upgrade or anything like that. Sounds to me like AT&T is rolling out new features not related to Apple Pay that need new provisions on their SIM cards.
 
I used Apple Pay successfully at Walgreens this evening with my iPhone 5S SIM that was originally in my iPhone 5. That pretty much confirms Apple Pay does not require a special SIM.

Oddly, ATT said that it did and sent me two SIMs via mail to get the "right" one. Apparently, they were selecting the iPhone 6 SIM which correctly ships a normal nano SIM. However, ATT thought I should be getting an SE SIM with the gray square.
 
After reading this thread, I thought I would post my story, I have an iPhone 6 with Verizon Wireless.
Ever since I've upgraded to iOS 9.2 apple pay seems no longer to work in store. The phone doesn't even wake up at the terminal, and bringing up wallet manually yields no connection.

Called Verizon today and the lady on the other end, did diagnostics on my phone and said the phone checks out fine except for the sim which is outdated and appears to be failing. Since i've never had issues with apple pay until this point, I'm going to do the easy route first and have them give me a new SIM, if that doesn't fix it the phone is still in warranty as I got it last May. Hopefully there is just something obscure going on and the phone isn't able to communicate correctly . It's odd because the phone worked with apple pay without issues at every place that is no longer working now. I have read on some forums that iOS 8 has known apple pay issues. I'll be going tomorrow so w'll see then if the phone is suffering sim related issues, or if apple's os has just gone to crap, or if the phone is actually failing.

I would have believed "the store is having issues" if it was just one place, but several places in a row over the course of a few days, doesn't seem likely.
 
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