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Rigby

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How about a legit reason why its not?
My main reason: Because I'd like to use headphones that are compatible not only with my phone, but also my laptop, iPad and various other devices I regularly use them with, and are easily replaceable everywhere in the world if I should lose them.
I'm already LMAO at the people who A) even dare mention "charging while listening via headphones"...I just have this hilarious image of someone with their head tethered to the wall. Yeah, lets accommodate that. B) spent a lot of money on headphones and think they are getting decent quality audio through a 3.5mm jack.
You have no idea what you are talking about. There are plenty of professional headphones and other studio equipment that use the 3.5mm plug. In contrast, no one uses Bluetooth headphones in the studio for any serious work.
 
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illitrate23

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3 hours stereo playtime. Far too short for me. I need at least five times that for traveling.
you travel for 15 hours continuously? Probably not for you. but for those that have a regular commute the ear buds will work for 3 hours. but the case contains a battery too, and will recharge the buds 2 to 3 times, so as long as you're not listening to them for more than 3 hours continuously, then they'll charge while you're not using them and actually give you 6 to 9 hours of play time before you need to plug in the usb cable to charge them up again.
 

trifid

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I have a similar question, but I'd rephrase it as "Does someone have an actual good reason for Apple to kill the headphone jack and replace it with a proprietary connector?"

It's one thing to kill a universal connector and replace it with a new universal connector, it's another thing to kill a universal connector and replace it with proprietary.

And yes I'm aware of bluetooth, but most people use wired headphones for many different reasons: the fact is wired is still important and relevant.
 
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Less space means more battery life, or more components in the device. Your phone already has a Bluetooth receiver in it and whose to say Apple doesn't make the headphone jack a lighting adapter. I'm sure that some other device will come out that allows you to plug in your headphones and a provide power to the device if in the .01% chance that you need to do both at the same time. Besides considering that a battery with the specifications of 8" x 3" gets you 10 hours of active use, using that space might get you an extra 20 minutes of battery or more with enhancements to both the batteries and the components.

Most Bluetooth headphones will get you a range of 3+ hours. When was the last time that you listened to music for more than 3 hours and when was the last time that you listened to music and charged your phone at the same time?
 

TurboPGT!

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My main reason: Because I'd like to use headphones that are compatible not only with my phone, but also my laptop, iPad and various other devices I regularly use them with, and are easily replaceable everywhere in the world if I should lose them.
You have no idea what you are talking about. There are plenty of professional headphones and other studio equipment that use the 3.5mm plug. In contrast, no one uses Bluetooth headphones in the studio for any serious work.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, and no one anywhere in the world is previewing, monitoring, or listening to 24 bit lossless audio through a 3.5mm jack. Guess again.
 

trifid

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I know exactly what I'm talking about, and no one anywhere in the world is previewing, monitoring, or listening to 24 bit lossless audio through a 3.5mm jack. Guess again.

What is everyone in the world using to preview, monitor or listen to 24 bit lossless audio?
 

Rigby

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you travel for 15 hours continuously?
Yes. I fly from the US west coast to Europe several times a year. Typically takes 15-18 hours including one stopover. These tiny Bluetooth earbuds wouldn't even last from San Francisco to Chicago. Heck, I sometimes use my earbuds more than 3 hours continuously during a normal day at the office (conference calls and music). Headphones that last just a few hours are not really an option.
 
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Foggydog

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I haven't used the headphone jack on my iPhone or iPad since December. Been using a pair of these (http://www.earin.com) since then and it's highly unlikely i'd go back to wired earphones again, whether 3.5 jack or lightning connector.


OHHH !! Those look absolutely awesome. I tried a pair of bluetooth headphones a few years ago that I got from Verizon. The the clarity was pretty good, but NO volume at all. And the battery was always needing to be charged.
 

HEK

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What is the audio quality limitation of a 3.5mm jack as it pertains to headphones?
The digital to analog chip and the amplifier chip are mediocre in the phone. High end headphones don't get enough power from the built in components. With digital output via lightening port the headphones can supply a much more powerful DAC and Amp. Inline or at the headphone itself. There are some headphones that do so now, high end headphones that sound much better.
 

Rigby

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The digital to analog chip and the amplifier chip are mediocre in the phone.
They are pretty good for a phone in my experience. But yes, they are obviously limited by the phone's power supply.
High end headphones don't get enough power from the built in components. With digital output via lightening port the headphones can supply a much more powerful DAC and Amp.
Only if the headphones have their own batteries that can provide more power than the phone's. Otherwise you have exactly the same restrictions whether the DAC/amp is in the phone or in the cable.
Inline or at the headphone itself. There are some headphones that do so now, high end headphones that sound much better.
And they work just fine today, without abandoning the 3.5mm jack that the majority of people are using.
 

HEK

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you travel for 15 hours continuously? Probably not for you. but for those that have a regular commute the ear buds will work for 3 hours. but the case contains a battery too, and will recharge the buds 2 to 3 times, so as long as you're not listening to them for more than 3 hours continuously, then they'll charge while you're not using them and actually give you 6 to 9 hours of play time before you need to plug in the usb cable to charge them up again.
If you travel regularly most likely you can expense two sets one can be in use the other recharging in pocket. That gives you 18 hours of use.
 

Shamgar

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The digital to analog chip and the amplifier chip are mediocre in the phone. High end headphones don't get enough power from the built in components. With digital output via lightening port the headphones can supply a much more powerful DAC and Amp. Inline or at the headphone itself. There are some headphones that do so now, high end headphones that sound much better.
Measurement based reviews of the iPhone DAC since at least the 5 have shown it to be an excellent performer, often beating external "audiophile" options. It's flat and clean; there are no perceptible deficiencies in its ability to reproduce audio. The amplifier is not sufficient for high impedance headphones (a constraint of size and battery), but high impedance is not automatically better. If you really want high impedance headphones with an integrated amp, then you can already buy them, as you just pointed out.

Audio quality is not advanced, but interoperability is lost.
 
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trifid

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Measurement based reviews of the iPhone DAC since at least the 5 have shown it to be an excellent performer, often beating external "audiophile" options. It's flat and clean; there are no perceptible deficiencies in its ability to reproduce audio. The amplifier is not sufficient for high impedance headphones (a constraint of size and battery), but high impedance is not automatically better. If you really want high impedance headphones with an integrated amp, then you can already buy them, as you just pointed out.

Audio quality is not advanced, but interoperability is lost.

Hats off, beautifully stated.
 
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