Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Nrwrit3r

macrumors 6502a
Original poster
May 25, 2010
695
84
Hello! I have the i9 15" MBP and have noticed it getting hot very quickly. I'm curious if the i7 version could stay cooler for longer? Or do they both heat up at same rate, but the the throttling is the observed difference we've seen?

I'd assume if the i7 is cooler that the battery on the computer would also last longer. Currently I'm getting nowhere near 9 hours (roughly 4 hours)

Thanks for the help/insight!
 
your MBP heat up fast while you aren't doing anything? or when you are doing heavy work? At idle does heat up?
 
Hello! I have the i9 15" MBP and have noticed it getting hot very quickly. I'm curious if the i7 version could stay cooler for longer? Or do they both heat up at same rate, but the the throttling is the observed difference we've seen?

I'd assume if the i7 is cooler that the battery on the computer would also last longer. Currently I'm getting nowhere near 9 hours (roughly 4 hours)

Thanks for the help/insight!

Yes, the i9 will heat up faster than the i7. The i9 is capable of higher frequencies which means higher power draw when those are reached.
 
Hello! I have the i9 15" MBP and have noticed it getting hot very quickly. I'm curious if the i7 version could stay cooler for longer? Or do they both heat up at same rate, but the the throttling is the observed difference we've seen?

I'd assume if the i7 is cooler that the battery on the computer would also last longer. Currently I'm getting nowhere near 9 hours (roughly 4 hours)

Thanks for the help/insight!

I am assuming that you are doing something intensive for your battery to last 4 hours. And heat on the MacBook Pros is a given even my old 2014 heats up a lot during heavy use. Now the point is whether you will be able to tell the temperature difference when using an i7 or and i9? I don’t think so unless you use a thermometer. Both will be hot if using heavily.
 
I am assuming that you are doing something intensive for your battery to last 4 hours. And heat on the MacBook Pros is a given even my old 2014 heats up a lot during heavy use. Now the point is whether you will be able to tell the temperature difference when using an i7 or and i9? I don’t think so unless you use a thermometer. Both will be hot if using heavily.

Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for...and perhaps the 4 hours of use was due to initial syncing of Onedrive and such..not sure...but I was wondering if I should return this machine and get another one (either i7 or the 13 inch...) due to the heating issues and longevity
 
Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for...and perhaps the 4 hours of use was due to initial syncing of Onedrive and such..not sure...but I was wondering if I should return this machine and get another one (either i7 or the 13 inch...) due to the heating issues and longevity

Nah, I think you should be fine either way. :)

Longevity wise I’ve never had much issue with running my Macs heavily. That’s what they are made to do, for the most part. It’s not as if you’ll be running these temps 24 hours so I’d say, no need to over think it, these machines can take a beating.
 
Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for...and perhaps the 4 hours of use was due to initial syncing of Onedrive and such..not sure...but I was wondering if I should return this machine and get another one (either i7 or the 13 inch...) due to the heating issues and longevity

Before or after the patch?
 
Thank you! This was exactly what I was looking for...and perhaps the 4 hours of use was due to initial syncing of Onedrive and such..not sure...but I was wondering if I should return this machine and get another one (either i7 or the 13 inch...) due to the heating issues and longevity
Did you end up getting the i7 instead of the i9? I'm in the same boat where i'm wanting to downgrade from my i9 b/c the heat on the keyboard just gets too hot. I'm not pushing the CPU past 15% on my typical sustained workload. I did just find that the Macs Fan Control app lets me keep it cooler, but with the added fan noise. Also, i didn't realize that having an external monitor plugged in would make such a difference. (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-hot-does-the-i9-run-vs-i7-15-mbp-2018.2132406/) But unplugging my one external monitor dropped the temp from hovering around 55C to 48C which had a noticeable effect on the heat of the keyboard. That's not a solution though in my mind as i need that external monitor.

I'm very curious what you ended up doing though and if you noticed a difference going to the i7?? specifically on how hot the keyboard gets while you're using it.
 
Yes, the i9 will heat up faster than the i7. The i9 is capable of higher frequencies which means higher power draw when those are reached.


Not saying you’re wrong, but it would be interesting to see some experiments on this. It could be argued that the i9 is likely to be a higher grade silicon than the i7, and given the same number of operations (i.e., same workload) it is going to finish that work faster, therefore not be running hot for the same period of time.
 
I'm not pushing the CPU past 15% on my typical sustained workload. I did just find that the Macs Fan Control app lets me keep it cooler, but with the added fan noise.

You've got some company, there were several users posting about excessive heat when i9 is loaded below 20%, there is a good chance they were just failed units, or there were some additional factors - like the dGPU in use when connected to external monitor. Whether i7 in your case will be cooler - I don't know. There are too many depended variables influencing this, whether i9 is binned (like howard2k said, if it is i9 should be cooler), cache organization and hit rates (i9 has larger cache, so it will be hotter, unless somehow it gets higher cache hit rates, which also depends on software used), frequency to power ratio (i9 is faster at least in short bursts, can finish task quicker, but the power requirements to complete this particular task may be higher or lower), fan profiles etc. Essentially you have a set of non-linear equations with a ton of unknown variables. However, from my own experience the higher spec CPU in a given laptop chassis was always hotter than a lower one, and after being burned (literally) by one over-the-top config I always settle for the lowest clocked version of a given chassis, and my 2.2/555x gives me zero heat related issues. I don't really see a reason why i9 would be cooler or less noisy.

But it looks like you're going to be in a driver's seat, you'll have both of them at the same time right? Just run some tests and see for yourself. My only suggestion would be to set the fans to max rpms when comparing, this way you'll eliminate at least the fan profile variable. Even better if you could use Volta and limit the power on both of them to the same level.

If you frequently use external monitor you could look into eGPU, this will remove dGPU completely and give you more breathing room for CPU. Money saved by going to 2.2/555x from 2.9/560x would be enough for a rx580 in a decent eGPU enclosure.
 
Not saying you’re wrong, but it would be interesting to see some experiments on this. It could be argued that the i9 is likely to be a higher grade silicon than the i7, and given the same number of operations (i.e., same workload) it is going to finish that work faster, therefore not be running hot for the same period of time.

Once the i9 starts boosting it will pull more power than the i7 and generate more heat and why it's not the best option for notebooks with thin & light chassis irrespective of the provider. Even the base 8750H hex core can pull as much a 90W at max turbo the i9 significant more as the frequency to power draw is not linear.

All three CPU's are going to run hot as Apple's cooling solution is inadequate, although the higher they boost the quicker they are likely to run out of thermal headroom and be forced to rollback core frequency. There's no real solution to this until the next model as Apple simply did not place focus on the cooling for the new 8th Gen CPU's for reasons only known to themselves...

Q-6
 
You've got some company, there were several users posting about excessive heat when i9 is loaded below 20%, there is a good chance they were just failed units, or there were some additional factors - like the dGPU in use when connected to external monitor. Whether i7 in your case will be cooler - I don't know. There are too many depended variables influencing this, whether i9 is binned (like howard2k said, if it is i9 should be cooler), cache organization and hit rates (i9 has larger cache, so it will be hotter, unless somehow it gets higher cache hit rates, which also depends on software used), frequency to power ratio (i9 is faster at least in short bursts, can finish task quicker, but the power requirements to complete this particular task may be higher or lower), fan profiles etc. Essentially you have a set of non-linear equations with a ton of unknown variables. However, from my own experience the higher spec CPU in a given laptop chassis was always hotter than a lower one, and after being burned (literally) by one over-the-top config I always settle for the lowest clocked version of a given chassis, and my 2.2/555x gives me zero heat related issues. I don't really see a reason why i9 would be cooler or less noisy.

But it looks like you're going to be in a driver's seat, you'll have both of them at the same time right? Just run some tests and see for yourself. My only suggestion would be to set the fans to max rpms when comparing, this way you'll eliminate at least the fan profile variable. Even better if you could use Volta and limit the power on both of them to the same level.

If you frequently use external monitor you could look into eGPU, this will remove dGPU completely and give you more breathing room for CPU. Money saved by going to 2.2/555x from 2.9/560x would be enough for a rx580 in a decent eGPU enclosure.

I appreciate the insights! I ended up ordering the i7 2.6 so i'm hoping i see the same results that you'er seeing with the 2.2/555x. I was on the fence going back and forth and ended up going middle of the road. That eGPU option sounds good also. Thanks!
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.