Does the Play Store still track everybody, all the time?

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by MRrainer, May 1, 2019.

  1. Tsepz macrumors 68030

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  2. MRrainer thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Thanks.
    I'm still die-hard iOS. ;-)
    Though I fear that with Android creeping into cars, my only resort would be the iCar (or Apple Car - or I'd actually bet a good amount of money that whatever they come up with won't carry the "car" moniker at all...).
     
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    Lol. Good luck with all that!
     
  4. Londoner1982 macrumors member

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    I laugh at people who think apple aren't doing the same because in my opinion they all do exactly the same.

    Apple saying they don't track you in my opinion is just a marketing or advertising ploy to try and get you to buy them instead of an android phone.

    People can be so gullible
     
  5. MRrainer thread starter macrumors 65816

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    The difference is: Google doesn't keep this info to themselves. They sell it to the highest bidder, so companies can throw ads at you depending on where you are. It's all about monetizing every single bit of your life, down to the last nook and cranny.
    I don't want that.
     
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    An article from 2016? Even if true, how is it different from Apple iBeacon?
     
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    If you do not want that then do not have any data connectivity or use apps or some service providers if you look at today's front page article :rolleyes:

    Apples privacy policy is only applicable to some native apps and data held on their servers, step outside this and its a slippery slope

    From your default search engine and even find my phone etc etc how many IOS 3rd party apps were found recently tracking local on a front page article

    Additionally stores have to know your local among other things for tax and country policies, not all apps are available in every country
     
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    If you do any e-commerce anywhere, then you are being tracked and information on you is shared/sold. If you use a cellphone at all, then you are being tracked and information on you is shared/sold. If you visit a website, then you are being tracked and information on you is shared/sold. Your information is fully and freely available to any and all who are willing to pay for it.

    Even if you never created an id on Facebook and never logged into it, they have comprehensive data on you that they sell to others.

    The idea that there is a difference in privacy based on the operating system used is nothing more than marketing spin.
     
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    This is what I have BEEEEN saying to people.

    As someone who works in digital marketing, I work on platforms like Google Analytics, Search Ads 360, Display&Video 360, Facebook Business Manager, Twitter Ads Manager and LinkedIn Ads Manager, and I have a good laugh when people think they can just put a stop to all tracking, and that simply signing out of Facebook or Google tracking or uninstalling then ends it all, LOL.

    The amount of Google and Facebook Tags/Pixels on almost every website is insane, and the level of tracking they have does not really need you to be logged in or have their apps. Gotta love them Floodlight tags.

    At this point I am all about leaving people to be naive, as they clutch on the belief that they absolutely do not get tracked and that their data is safe and not being sold to the highest bidders
     
  10. MRrainer thread starter macrumors 65816

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    We've blocked ad-trackers at the proxy-level at work and I'm doing that at home, too.
    I've never had a Facebook-Account and my Google-account (that got created via the ingestion of deja.com to google-news) somehow got deleted.
    Eventually, I'm planning to block the whole google and facebook ASNs just to see what impact it has.
    It will also kill youtube, of course, but that's a time-waster par excellence anyway...

    Due to the doofuses who uploaded their whole address book, I'm also pretty sure that FB has a comprehensive shadow-profile on me.
    But I'm making them work more for their ad-dollars - and so are others as you can see their traffic-acquisition costs going up every quarter.

    Telcos sell my location-data, yes. But I use very few online-shops and buy offline as much as possible.

    I enjoy physically browsing stuff in a store.
     
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    Well, you're free to believe what you'd like, I only respond to help others not go down the same path... No Facebook traffic needs to go to/from your device or home network for them to gather information on you. They have just as much information on you as they do the people who actively spend hours a day on Facebook. And as for "making them work more for their ad-dollars", it's not like they have people flipping through folders in a file cabinet. lol.gif Traffic acquisition costs only tell a (small) part of the story.
     
  12. Tsepz macrumors 68030

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    Traffic Acquisition costs are going up due to more competition for data. Data is gold.

    You do realise that there is such a thing as Offline Conversion tracking, yes? Facebook and Google planned for people like you long ago.

    There is actually a lot of activity around Location based advertising, where you can be targeted on a store floor due to your location and buyer habits. Your offline habits are being tracked quite a bit through location (be it toggled On or Off).

    Telcos have the biggest amount of information on you, they can give data down to street level, breakdown a street by income bracket, occupations, marital status, number of kids etc... and build segments around your neighborhood. Political parties particularly love them for this, and will use Mobile Marketing agencies to send out message blasts etc... That are relevant to the area.

    Unless you somehow managed to not ever go online on the last 20 years, they already have plenty of information on you, it's all down to whether you mind seeing the ads or not, really.
     
  13. MRrainer thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Unfortunately, there's no way to find out what Facebook and Google know about me without signing up to them in the first place...
     
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    Ok then prove it, do you have a source or has anyone run tests? Look how much grief they caught for throttling phones with old batteries but not telling consumers, given they don't make money off data the same way Facebook and Google do and given how Apple's marketing and thus bottom line depends on people choosing their hardware and services partly becasue of their stance I can't see them jeopardizing it.

    That said I see Google as somewhat trustworthy in this regard, and certainly much more than Facebook. As already pointed out the article dates from 2016 and at the bottom there apparently was a bug that Google fixed a long time ago.
     
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    https://www.pcmag.com/news/367813/mozilla-wants-apple-to-limit-iphone-ad-tracking
     
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    In Switzerland (I think the EU as well) it can't be activated IIRC.
     
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    But Apple does track it's customers so serve up targeted ads. Mostly targeted for it's own services but for external vendors as well.

    The conversation you were having....you claimed Apple did not track it's customer and to prove otherwise.

    I have proven that it does track it's customers. Whether or not the critics think Mozilla's objections are necessary or not.....the article shows proof that Apple does track it's customers for targeted ads.

    Then when they got caught throttling....they denied it at first for years.......
    they did not own up to it until people had concrete proof of throttling.

    I imagine any tracking will be follow the same process.
     
  18. MRrainer thread starter macrumors 65816

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    It is there, on my Xr.
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    AFAIK the only ads are in the various stores (iTunes, App).

    Do you actually know of other places?

    It's not like they have an ad-supported version of Pages or Keynote....
     
  19. decafjava macrumors 68030

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    Apparently it has no effect.
     
  20. jamezr macrumors G5

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    It does...read the article i posted....it explained the process Apple uses to track customers.
     
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    Use to be these things called phonebooks and the phone company would give them out every year. No complained about those things. You guys are paranoid.
     
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    The paranoid then paid extra for ex-directory listing in the UK :)

    But yes I agree :) it's all smoke and mirrors and just about how far the genie is out of the bottle :rolleyes:
     
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    Big difference between a phone book and the information it has and the info carried on our phones, computers and in the cloud. Rather disingenuous to act as if the two are the same.
    I will never cease to be amazed at how much people downplay the importance of privacy now that is in peril and threatened for very few justifiable reasons.

    https://ideas.ted.com/why-online-privacy-matters-and-how-to-protect-yours/

    I admit I was wrong to state that "Apple doesn't track users for ads" but on the other hand to ignore the major differences in how much info tech companies collect is due either to willful ignorance or possibly dishonesty. (Not accusing anyone here of being dishonest).

    I also think we are all (myself included) also tend to confuse privacy with security. I include some links, read them or not just to illustrate my view that Apple does less of it than other tech companies, that is more than just marketing and also their security is better. Some are a bit older true but not that much has changed.

    https://securitybaron.com/blog/the-...s-have-on-you-or-at-least-what-they-admit-to/

    https://www.macobserver.com/columns...-supply-chain/?utm_campaign=tmo_story_sidebar

    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/9...nufacturers-are-to-blame-20151014-gk8kp5.html
     

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