Does Windows 10 (190x) kill the BootCamp 6 install hack for the original Mac Pro (1,1)?

[EugW]

Hi there.

I just installed Windows 10 today, and was able to install the BootCamp drivers using the command prompt as an administrator to directly launch BootCamp.msi.

However, then I upgraded to 1903 but then lost the installed drivers. When I tried the same command prompt install, it saying there was an error. Thus, I cannot scroll on the Magic Mouse. The Magic Keyboard's eject and volume buttons don't work either. I can live without those keyboard buttons, but the lack of scrolling on Magic Mouse is highly annoying.

Is there any way to get these drivers installed?

 

[EugW]

Upgraded to Windows 10 2004. Still cannot install the Bootcamp drivers.

 

[EugW]

I also tried the Boot Camp 3.1 mouse and keyboard drivers. The appeared to install, but with no error, but still no dice. They are still using the Microsoft drivers.

So, nobody else has this problem?

 

[Loyola]

Is boot camp 6 the version for your Mac Pro? I am not familiar with a hack to install it.

I was having trouble with Windows 10 1909 on my 2010 IMac. Recently I did a reinstall to upgrade to 2004. As a result all of my drivers were removed. I used boot camp assistant to download the Windows drivers for my computer. It is boot camp 4. So far everything works.

 

[EugW]

Is boot camp 6 the version for your Mac Pro? I am not familiar with a hack to install it.

I was having trouble with Windows 10 1909 on my 2010 IMac. Recently I did a reinstall to upgrade to 2004. As a result all of my drivers were removed. I used boot camp assistant to download the Windows drivers for my computer. It is boot camp 4. So far everything works.

I think the original Boot Camp for my Mac Pro model is actually Boot Camp 1 (which is a beta), as this is the original Intel Mac Pro. However, AFAIK the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse weren't supported until Boot Camp 2.2 (because those devices didn't come out until years later). Boot Camp 3.1 introduced Windows 7 support, and Boot Camp 6 introduced Windows 10 support. People online with previous versions of Windows 10 were using a combination of Boot Camp 4 and Boot Camp 6 drivers with their 2006 Mac Pros. However, Boot Camp 6 came out 5 years ago and while it was working for some people with those Mac Pros with those earlier versions of Windows 10, the Bluetooth Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse drivers are not working for me in 2020 with Windows 10 2004.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Hi there.

I just installed Windows 10 today, and was able to install the BootCamp drivers using the command prompt as an administrator to directly launch BootCamp.msi.

However, then I upgraded to 1903 but then lost the installed drivers. When I tried the same command prompt install, it saying there was an error. Thus, I cannot scroll on the Magic Mouse. The Magic Keyboard's eject and volume buttons don't work either. I can live without those keyboard buttons, but the lack of scrolling on Magic Mouse is highly annoying.

Is there any way to get these drivers installed?

Considering that a Windows equivalent machine (let alone your MacPro1,1) is barely supported (in terms of proper driver support) for Windows 7 (and likely not at all for 8 or 8.1), I sense you have an uphill battle to climb here.

On the Intel side of things, an Ivy Bridge (3rd Generation) Intel processor is the bare minimum for support for Windows 10. That's not Apple specific (though Apple matches their Boot Camp requirements for Windows 10 accordingly); that's industry-wide. Some vendors won't even directly support Ivy Bridge-based computers even though every component has a Windows 10 driver made for it. For context, Ivy Bridge is six years newer than the Core 2 architecture your Mac Pro is based on. All that to say that I'm surprised you ever got a flavor of Windows 10 to work on that computer to begin with.

Hell, the best I was able to get on the last MacPro1,1 that I owed was Windows 8.1 (and Server 2012 R2) running on the last version of VMWare Fusion Pro that was supported on Mac OS X Lion (which was the last macOS release to be supported natively on that system).

 

[EugW]

Considering that a Windows equivalent machine (let alone your MacPro1,1) is barely supported (in terms of proper driver support) for Windows 7 (and likely not at all for 8 or 8.1), I sense you have an uphill battle to climb here.

On the Intel side of things, an Ivy Bridge (3rd Generation) Intel processor is the bare minimum for support for Windows 10. That's not Apple specific (though Apple matches their Boot Camp requirements for Windows 10 accordingly); that's industry-wide. Some vendors won't even directly support Ivy Bridge-based computers even though every component has a Windows 10 driver made for it. For context, Ivy Bridge is six years newer than the Core 2 architecture your Mac Pro is based on. All that to say that I'm surprised you ever got a flavor of Windows 10 to work on that computer to begin with.

Hell, the best I was able to get on the last MacPro1,1 that I owed was Windows 8.1 (and Server 2012 R2) running on the last version of VMWare Fusion Pro that was supported on Mac OS X Lion (which was the last macOS release to be supported natively on that system).

OK thanks for the info.

However, I will say that not only is Windows 10 on the machine, I also get all the updates automatically. I am now on the latest, at version 2004. I will just have to accept that scrolling on the Magic Mouse won't work properly and I will use a different mouse. The Bluetooth Magic Keyboard works fine aside from the lack of multimedia specialized key support, which is OK.

Everything else works perfectly aside from 2 issues:

1. Wake from sleep makes the computer unusable. It slows to a crawl and never recovers unless I reboot. Interestingly, sleep worked perfectly on my MacPro1,1. For my MacPro2,1 I simply transferred the SSD over and rebooted. Amazingly, it booted up just fine, and didn't ask me to re-activate the licence, but it acquired this sleep bug. I'm not sure if the bug is due to the new machine, or due to some new Windows updates I did at the time, but for now I have simply disabled sleep.

2. Netflix 1080p streaming in Edge or in the Netflix crashes the machine hard. This was true on my old MacPro1,1, and is also true on my MacPro2,1. However, I've learned this happens on some fully supported PCs as well, so it's not unique to my older machines. My solution is to just forego 1080p streaming in Edge/Netflix app, and just stick with 720p Netflix in Chrome instead, which works perfectly. 1080p VP9 YouTube works fine too, as does 1080p h.264 in Windows Media Player.

 

[Yebubbleman]

OK thanks for the info.

However, I will say that not only is Windows 10 on the machine, I also get all the updates automatically. I am now on the latest, at version 2004. I will just have to accept that scrolling on the Magic Mouse won't work properly and I will use a different mouse. The Bluetooth Magic Keyboard works fine aside from the lack of multimedia specialized key support, which is OK.

Everything else works perfectly aside from 2 issues:

1. Wake from sleep makes the computer unusable. It slows to a crawl and never recovers unless I reboot. Interestingly, sleep worked perfectly on my MacPro1,1. For my MacPro2,1 I simply transferred the SSD over and rebooted. Amazingly, it booted up just fine, and didn't ask me to re-activate the licence, but it acquired this sleep bug. I'm not sure if the bug is due to the new machine, or due to some new Windows updates I did at the time, but for now I have simply disabled sleep.

2. Netflix 1080p streaming in Edge or in the Netflix crashes the machine hard. This was true on my old MacPro1,1, and is also true on my MacPro2,1. However, I've learned this happens on some fully supported PCs as well, so it's not unique to my older machines. My solution is to just forego 1080p streaming in Edge/Netflix app, and just stick with 720p Netflix in Chrome instead, which works perfectly. 1080p VP9 YouTube works fine too, as does 1080p h.264 in Windows Media Player.

As is often the case with older hardware, you might get lucky in terms of the older driver from a previous OS (which is basically what you're running in this case) working, but I wouldn't bank on that luck lasting. You're likely to see performance issues down the road.

Also, considering that any quad-core computer from 2012 and newer can best that Mac Pro even in Windows (with a small fraction of the power draw and electric bill cost), I'm not sure why you're trying to keep it alive to run an OS it was never meant to run.

 

[EugW]

As is often the case with older hardware, you might get lucky in terms of the older driver from a previous OS (which is basically what you're running in this case) working, but I wouldn't bank on that luck lasting. You're likely to see performance issues down the road.

? The issue in this thread was actually that was not able to install the Apple drivers for the keyboard and mouse. I'm running the generic Microsoft drivers that are built into Windows 10, which is why the mouse scrolling and specialized keyboard function keys don't work. But like I said, I will just add a different mouse. The MS wireless ones go for ten bucks on Amazon, but I already have an extra one anyway.

Also, considering that any quad-core computer from 2012 and newer can best that Mac Pro even in Windows (with a small fraction of the power draw and electric bill cost), I'm not sure why you're trying to keep it alive to run an OS it was never meant to run.

I already have a 2017 iMac as my main machine, so that is not a concern. Plus performance of the Mac Pro is fine for basic usage. In fact, in multi-core performance, it's as fast as the 2020 MacBook Air, and it runs perfectly in El Capitan which has modern browser support.

And if I already have the Mac Pro, it doesn't really make much sense for me to run out to buy a used 2012 for $$$ for a secondary desktop, to get Magic Mouse and Magic Keyboard support in Windows.

All the other devices work fine in both OSes. WiFi works fine. Bluetooth works fine. Ethernet works fine. All the video output ports work fine. Audio works fine. The optical drive works fine. Hell, even Firewire 800 works fine, although that's becoming moot since I have USB 3 support in it now. I just so happened to have an old PCIe USB 3 card in my cupboard, so the USB 3 upgrade cost me $4, for the power cable.

Also, I never put Boot Camp on my primary OS X drives. The Mac Pro is convenient because I can just use a second internal drive for Windows, but my primary Mac Pro OS drive remains exclusively OS X.