Does winterboard slow down you phone?? Would it be better to customize using ssh??

Discussion in 'Jailbreaks and iOS Hacks' started by THE JUICEMAN, Feb 3, 2009.

  1. THE JUICEMAN macrumors 68020


    Oct 3, 2007
  2. jmann macrumors 604


    Dec 8, 2007
    bump on a log in a hole in the bottom of the sea
    Customizing using ssh would be a lot of work. My phone runs fine with winterboard installed. :)
  3. Tokiopop macrumors 68000


    Dec 6, 2008
    West Yorkshire, UK
    Using excessive amounts of themes with WinterBoard will cause noticeable lag. SSHing a whole theme into the phone without WB would take a while though, so if you don't want a ton of themes on at once, go with WB.
  4. zander271 macrumors member

    Jan 20, 2009
  5. andyblila macrumors 65816


    Jul 8, 2008
    On My iPhone, or my iPad?
    Diskaid is better than ssh. Very easy to use. I prefer to customize that way. You won't be able to put a background on your springboard though if you do not use winterboard. Long story short is: Winterboard will cause lag, customizing via ssh or disk aid will not, but you won't have a springboard background.
  6. THE JUICEMAN thread starter macrumors 68020


    Oct 3, 2007
    Ok thanks. I just installed icomplete theme and I noticed a lot of lag. So that's why I asked.
  7. ViViDboarder macrumors 68040


    Jun 25, 2008
    I was getting peeved at the Ram usage of Winterboard so I removed it and I just do my customization with SSH, DiskAid or AppleTalk. Granted, all I had were a few icon changes, so it's not bad. I even did most of it with MobileTerminal (Taking Youtube icon and applying it to MxTube, etc. I like my iPhone looking spakin' new)
  8. KidneyMerchant macrumors member

    Nov 18, 2008
    Yes and freaking yes.

    Some people either don't understand or have some bias. Winterboard will increase the springboard process usage slowing down you phone, even without anything. Will it make a noticable difference? Depends on the theme and on you. Is SSH better? It's harder, but less lag. Which should you use? Depends on you. But it is false to say "I don't notice it so it ain't there".
  9. MikePA macrumors 68020


    Aug 17, 2008
  10. egk69 macrumors 6502

    Dec 5, 2008
    it cause lag, i tested it a few times.

    anyone that can tell me how to "Theme" my iPhone via SSH or Diskaid!?, cause im able to change the icons and a few things, but most of the things that i tried dont work... :(
  11. ppc750fx macrumors 65816

    Aug 20, 2008
    Actually KidneyMerchant is (kinda) right. Winterboard does tend to increase SpringBoard's RAM usage, which in turn can lead to performance problems.
  12. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

    Knowlege Bomb

    Feb 14, 2008
    Madison, WI
    Keyword emphasized. This is what people fail to understand.
  13. ppc750fx macrumors 65816

    Aug 20, 2008
    Keyword emphasized. ;)

    I was actually referring to this:

    The misapplication of terminology elicited the "kinda" modifier, but he was pretty close; WinterBoard increases SpringBoard's RAM usage. It does consistently (at least in my tests). Whether or not that increased RAM usage introduces a noticeable UI lag is the variable bit.

    I agree with you though: some people seem to conflate "WinterBoard causes memory contention, which can cause some lag" with "jailbreak always introduces lag".
  14. koollectablz macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2009
    Without question using a installed theme with winterboard will noticably slowdown your iphone. Its just a matter of whether you notice it enough to put up with it or remove it.

    That it does itsn't really a matter of opinion - its perfectly obvious. A truism.

    I've only had my iphone for a couple of weeks. JB it immediately and used it all themed up for a few days until the slowdown and battery life grated on me. I used the 2.2.1 update as a new start point and just JB it so I can use SBSettings and pdanet.

    The only thing I miss from winterboard is being able to set a home screen wallpaper and transparent dock.

    All slowdown is gone and battery life is immeasurably better - though I'm coming to the conclusion that may have been because SSH was on even when I had it disabled.

    For me, winterboard is brilliant but the slowdown is just too annoying.

  15. ppc750fx macrumors 65816

    Aug 20, 2008
    Come again?

    If you disable SSH, you kill the daemon process -- at which point it's no longer running, and thus no longer using CPU/RAM.

    Even if you leave it running, OpenSSH is pretty darn light on resources when it's not handling any open connections. I'd be amazed if it cause a noticeable loss of battery life.
  16. koollectablz macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2009
    Well a number of times I'd kill it from SBSettings and then I could go back in hours later to see that it was still showing as runnning.

    Also my battery life was appalling so I'd uninstall apps one by one and go for a bit to see which one made the most difference.

    As I said I'm not sure which one it was, but after this JB and now without winterboard has turned my iphone into a 'new' machine. I'm talking battery life of about half a day - 3g on, everything else off - to close to two days with the same setup.
  17. MikePA macrumors 68020


    Aug 17, 2008
    What does this statement mean?

    Let's see, Winterboard will 'without question using a(n) installed theme' 'notic(e)ably slowdown your iphone' but some people will not notice it? Interesting logic.

    My issue with this is we're dealing with a computer. Either Winterboard does increase SB RAM usage or it doesn't, it doesn't 'tend' to. If it does increase RAM usage, then it either does or does not lead to performance problems.
  18. ppc750fx macrumors 65816

    Aug 20, 2008
    Sounds like you've never debugged software before... Memory leaks can be tricky to reproduce consistently.

    Still, I used the word "tend" casually. From all the tests I've conducted, WinterBoard always increases the amount of RAM used by the SB process. The size of the increase is variable, but it *tends to* increase it enough to cause performance problems.

    I don't use SBSettings (IMHO it's buggy, plus it requires MobileSubstrate), but I know that if I disable OpenSSH via BossPrefs it definitely stops running.

    Still, as I said, I'd be amazed if that were the cause of your performance issues -- OpenSSH tends to be on the lightweight side, at least when it comes to resource usage when idle.
  19. koollectablz macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2009
    It means that some poeple will not notice it, just as some people will notice a scratch on a window whilst for others not a beep on the observation radar.

    But just because someone hasn't noticed it doesn't mean it isn't there.

    Oh and FYI people will tend to think you're a prick if you pick others up on spelling/grammatical errors on an internet forum.

    Just a heads up for the future.
  20. jajohns8 macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2008
    Yes, after installing winterboard and installing a theme I noticed more lag.

    In more general terms, I experienced much more crashing/freezes/lag after jailbreaking.

    It was nice to have that kind of control, but eventually the instability was irritating.

    Maybe some lucky people have jailbreak configurations that allow their Iphones to run perfectly after a Jailbreak.

    Great for them.
    I just wasnt lucky enough to be one of them.
  21. moka macrumors 6502a

    Aug 11, 2008
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    When I first installed winterboard the phone was slow. I SSH'ed and removed what ever I did not use with winterboard and now my phone is running significantly faster, just like it did when it was not jailbroken

    May I also add that all I'm using winterboard for is a new dock and background images for lock screen and springboard.
  22. ppc750fx macrumors 65816

    Aug 20, 2008
    It's really just a question of whether or not you use WinterBoard or any MobileSubstrate-based apps. If you don't, then your phone will likely be lag-free.

    My phone is jailbroken, but since I got rid of all MobileSubstrate apps it runs every bit as fast as a stock install.
  23. jajohns8 macrumors regular

    Sep 11, 2008
    I really liked Snapture, Mxtube, Intelliscreen and Cycorder.
    Awesome apps.

    Don't know if they qualify as "mobile substrate based."
    Can you give me a definition of what that means?

    It just got really frustrating when I wanted to grab a pic of my son or something and having the phone lock up. It happened one too many times, so I dropped the jailbreak and went back to stock.

    I love those apps I mentioned and would pay to have them on a stock phone. (Actually did pay for licenses for Intelliscreen and Snapture)

    Maybe I'll try a JB again sometime and see if I get any better stability.
  24. mavis macrumors 68040


    Jul 30, 2007
    Tokyo, Japan
    Same here. I customize via SSH now, and really enjoy having a responsive UI again.


    It took a little longer (and I miss my wallpaper!) but it was WELL worth it, IMO. :)
  25. cualexander macrumors 6502a

    Apr 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC
    Anyone link me to a good guide for this?

    I want to replace the following: Dock Background, Status Bar background, and all the Application icons for every app I have.

    If I could do all this without Winterboard, that would be fantastic. I have noticed major lag lately, and if Winterboard is the culprit, I'd be happy to throw it out.

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