You're still forgetting something that has happened between those two sentences, a trial and a ruling.
I don't know what the heck has to do Amazon in this.
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What has to do Amazon Marketplace with IAP purchases?
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DoJ Claims Apple Implemented In-App Purchase Rules to 'Retaliate Against Amazon'
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You're still forgetting something that has happened between those two sentences, a trial and a ruling.
I don't know what the heck has to do Amazon in this.
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What has to do Amazon Marketplace with IAP purchases?
Can I buy something from Amazon Marketplace, using any other platform for payment?
I point this out because, you mentioned Apple not storing anything and shipping anything.
Second time, what the heck has to do Amazon Marketplace with IAP purchases?
And yes, you can use other payment processors to buy thing from apps installed from Amazon Appstore. This is the analog thing to Apple IAP purchases not the absurd Marketplace analogy
It works both ways: obviously the stores without a great mall would not be so successfull, but peope tend to go in the mall with the most popular stores. Advertising the stores is actually a way to make the whole mall more interesting to consumers, kinda like the "there is an App for that" commercial entices consumers to buy iOS devices. iOS without third-party apps would be dead just like a mall without the best stores available: people would go in the nearby mall with all the great stores instead (Android).
The Kindle App is still in the App Store, only it's a version without the ability to purchase ebooks.
It doesn't have anything to do with IAP. But it does with Apple forcing its own payment system. I`m not saying IAP is consistent or else, but of course Apple or who ever is going to push it`s own payment service when it can.
Edit: You mentioned Apple doesn't store anything, doesn't ship anything. So does (not) Amazon at their Marketplace.
The great difference is that Amazon doesn't force the Amazon Marketplace to sell any good but Apple forces their App Store if you want to provide an app.
Well and good. But if Apple's choices effect other stores then it gets dicey. Which is why the DOJ got involved.
The catch is if Apple really did do everything just to screw other retailers. Did they go to the publishers to work out deals that included telling amazon etc they have to switch to agency models etc. or did Apple, knowing the publishers were fed up with Amazon, offer a limited control of pricing etc and it was having another player that made the publishers tell Amazon same terms or no terms. The DOJ says the former, which is wrong. Apple says nope, the latter. Which is why they are appealing
As for the punishment. I think the DOJ is crazy over the top with this. Trying to kill off contracts for non book items for starters. Movies etc where never part of the allegations, they shouldn't be part of the punishment. Setting rules that only apply to one company is another.
If they really want to be consume protecting then they need to set rules that apply to all. Like limiting exclusive deals, removing windowing, require that physical and digital items have parity of content, upper limits on pricing. They can allow for some creator/retailer friendly rules like allowing MFNs on some items and/or limited periods
I feel like we are debating different things..
What if Apple denied Amazon from the iPhone completely? Do you think they would be justified in sueing apple and using the DOJ to force them to approve their app?
Look at what happened with Google Voice
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Ah, can you point me where I can find a way to install another store to install apps for iOS? I didn't knew I can legally sideload apps or that I can install other stores
So you don't buy it. Books are not a life essential item. Don't like the price, don't pay. Go borrow it from library (depending on where you are that can even be digitally), torrent it even.
Eventually the publishers get the message and lower the price. Just as the market system should work
What is stopping you from submitting apps to iOS?
Could point me a way to put the items I would like to sell on Amazon Marketplace without paying any fees to Amazon? I can go to craigslist... It is free... I have other options..
The other part of the argument is that Apple brought the customer when it is via the app. Even physical stores get a cut when they bring the customers to a product.
If a customer starts with the website, service etc such as what is likely to have happened with something like Netflix then they have their existing relationship/log in and can use it even in the app. Since the app didn't bring the customer Apple gets nothing
- A customer can buy products in the Amazon Marketplace (if they choose) or outside the Amazon Marketplace.
A company can sell products in the Amazon website or outside the Amazon website.
- An iOS customer can buy products in the App Store or outside the App Store.
A company can sell products in the App store or outside the App Store.
* The capitalist market should determine what customers and companies choose and not regulation.
My God, you can sell your good in other marketplaces, you can't deliver a ****ing iOS app if it is not through Apple. If you can't see the difference, I give up and yes, you're right Amazon bad, apple good guys, happy?
OI don't know if joking or really can;'t understand such simple things
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What iOS app can a customer buy outside the App Store?
No they didn't. Never was the Ebook price higher than printed. Especially on iBooks where most titles had an Apple set upper limit based on the print price. A limit that was roughly 50% of the print price for new releases.
It was just higher than Amazon's $9.99 price. A price that was often a loss leader, hurt other stores that couldn't afford to go that low and hurt print sales (according to publishers)
I was talking about ebooks.
And for that I use a web browser and internet site.
I buy most of my online products using a PC or iOS that way.
You didn't catch my edit.
I was talking about ebooks, the topic of the thread, which I use on iOS.
But music that I listen to on iOS (thousands of songs) would also apply.
For buying that I use a web browser and internet site.
They aren't likely being paid but they are definitely biased with Amazon as a winner.
They say they are on Apple because of harm to consumers and competition and yet they never looked at the question of predatory pricing etc.
And forcing Apple and the publishers to cut existing contracts and ban them signing 'agency' deals benefits Amazon who prefers wholesale models (unless the publishers get the balls to just refuse to sell with Amazon and go direct sales off their own sites which is unlikely).
And none of their rules would apply to other retailers to make sure they play fair to customers and competition
Actually, it can happen that an ebook is priced higher than the printed counterpart. This is because after the initial sales most books don't sell much more, so for the printed version the leftovers actually need to be sold at some point no matter what, otherwise they would take shelf space and storage space needed for new books.
Ebooks obviously don't have these logistic problems so there is no need to sell them at very low prices to make space for new offers.
In and of itself it's not. Which is why agency model isn't illegal.
Thg DOJ says that Apple thought up the idea, all to screw with Amazon and make more money, and went to the publishers and got them into the plan as one big group where everyone has to agree to play or the plan is off
Which is collusion.
I`m not your God
You can deliver the same **** app on other platforms. iOS is Apple`s platform. From my perspective you cannot see the similarity.
And for the record, I did not say Apple is good right, Amazon is bad, wrong. I`m pointing out a fact that Apple will force it`s payment system for using their platform, just like any other company. Amazon was my example, could have been eBay. But you are arguing that Apple is forcing people to use their system.
Almost all developers, beside the big ones, will never be able cut Apple out. They actually need Apple to handle the processing, and they actually get exposure from iOS. So this argument is moot. Only the big names have enough clout to cut Apple out, and they should be able to cut Apple out, because Apple offers them nothing.