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ha I'm not venting merely come to conclusion enough is enough with renewing apple devices due to poor battery or restricted OS updates.nowt physically wrong with my S1 , S3 ,S7,ipad Air ,Macbook Air 2015 apart from all have depleted batteries apart from S7 but sooner or later it will .none are damaged , none are broken just simply depleted battery. i own other watches casio Pathfinder 15 years works perfectly , i own a second hand Audemars Piguet Royal OAK 2005 works perfectly.. i own various other Casio types all work perfectly . Times change technology moves on and I do LOVE the apple watch for its functionality and simplicity with iPhone but when I see optimised battery charging added to disguise the weakness of the product(s) it adds up that the only thing is at some stage in the near future its gonna become another paper weight ..perhaps apple should look at solar options it works for the casio Pathfinder many other products ..

sorry if I jumped on your quote of disposable but for some time i came to that conclusion..really sorry no offense meant just voicing an opinion (not angrily just mildly engaging) ..
ps I get it you drop a watch break it , you either replace it or get it fixed but none of these devices I own are broken they have internal battery issues ....

2 month old airpod pro 2 4-5 hours max playing time come on apple the weakness of the products is becoming so apparent ..
brian..
 
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ha I'm not venting merely come to conclusion enough is enough with renewing apple devices due to poor battery or restricted OS updates.nowt physically wrong with my S1 , S3 ,S7,ipad Air ,Macbook Air 2015 apart from all have depleted batteries apart from S7 but sooner or later it will .none are damaged , none are broken just simply depleted battery. i own other watches casio Pathfinder 15 years works perfectly , i own a second hand Audemars Piguet Royal OAK 2005 works perfectly.. i own various other Casio types all work perfectly . Times change technology moves on and I do LOVE the apple watch for its functionality and simplicity with iPhone but when I see optimised battery charging added to disguise the weakness of the product(s) it adds up that the only thing is at some stage in the near future its gonna become another paper weight ..perhaps apple should look at solar options it works for the casio Pathfinder many other products ..

sorry if I jumped on your quote of disposable but for some time i came to that conclusion..really sorry no offense meant just voicing an opinion (not angrily just mildly engaging) ..
ps I get it you drop a watch break it , you either replace it or get it fixed but none of these devices I own are broken they have internal battery issues ....

2 month old airpod pro 2 4-5 hours max playing time come on apple the weakness of the products is becoming so apparent ..
brian..

Optimized battery charging is not designed to mask a weakness of the product. Apple's batteries aren't the only ones that degrade. Battery degradation is a chemical issue that affects all rechargeable batteries. Optimized charging is added to minimize the impact of the chemical degradation where possible.

This is why it's a feature that is available in many products from many vendors.
 
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F91W






Aside from being the most dangerous watch on earth, it goes 7yrs between batterie changes and is almost indestructible, is is under $30

Charging as much as apple does for a plastic lens watch is silly
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Aside from being the most dangerous watch on earth, it goes 7yrs between batterie changes and is almost indestructible, is is under $30

Charging as much as apple does for a plastic lens watch is silly
 
F91W






Aside from being the most dangerous watch on earth, it goes 7yrs between batterie changes and is almost indestructible, is is under $30

Charging as much as apple does for a plastic lens watch is silly
51Nk5SEBARL._AC_UY1000_.jpg

Aside from being the most dangerous watch on earth, it goes 7yrs between batterie changes and is almost indestructible, is is under $30

Charging as much as apple does for a plastic lens watch is silly

How does Siri work on that beast?

Apple doesn't offer a plastic lens watch. Not sure what you're referring to specifically.
 
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You either have a faulty unit since the beginning or you're really hammering down on that battery. I have an 11 Pro at 96% battery health that still performs like "new".
I have a 14 Pro bought at launch - 90%

Do you just never use your phone?
 
SECOND - batteries are like tires, you don't get rid of your car because it needs new tires.
Tell Apple that, because if OP had brought his AW directly to an Apple Store that follows the guidelines, then yes Apple would have asked you to get rid of the entire car in order to replace the tires. OP got very lucky in this case that the AASP was friendly and didn't follow Apple's guidelines (faulty touch - defective AW, not eligible for battery replacement pricing).

I received my “new” S5 this morning - all in all it took just 4 days to send it to them and receive a replacement S5 back (I’m in the USA).
Make sure to go to that AASP in the future as well, you got lucky. Due to the touch defect Apple should have charged you the flat repair fee which is a couple hundred bucks. The AASP clearly knows that Apple's guidelines lead to dissatisfied customers and want to avoid that when possible.

In any case, seems like the AW wasn't such a bad deal after all and it all worked out. Personally I found Apple products to be long-enough lasting and over the many years not more expensive than the competition. If anything they last longer and are cheaper in the long run.
 
Optimized battery charging is not designed to mask a weakness of the product. Apple's batteries aren't the only ones that degrade. Battery degradation is a chemical issue that affects all rechargeable batteries. Optimized charging is added to minimize the impact of the chemical degradation where possible.

This is why it's a feature that is available in many products from many vendors.
Howard, do you leave your devices on charge overnight?

Wishing you well, mate.
 
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Howard, do you leave your devices on charge overnight?

Wishing you well, mate.

I don't, generally. I wear my watch the vast majority of the time, just taking it off occasionally for charging, or if I'm doing an activity incompatible with the strap, such as doing the dishes with a fabric strap. I usually just charge it in bursts. So my watch, never.

But my phone I might leave it on the wireless charging pad overnight. The phone is a much longer slog to charge than the watch so that's a practicality thing.

Hope you're doing well too!
 
And a sidenote on repairs and servicing: I got my personal self winding mechanical watch serviced recently, it needed some actual work that required a watch maker, it has sentimental value to me so I bit the bullet.... and it cost 3xmore to repair it than my aW cost. Most people dont want to drop that kind of money on their watches.
This is nice to read - I think of this as you are a curator, maintaining something rare in order for it to be passed down to the next generation.
 
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Value/beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? If someone wants a mechanical watch to pass down to their children's children then so be it. I've worn some watches and I even had a Swiss Army watch that a jeweler said: "Wow they don't make them like that anymore" - once Apple Watches came out, I stopped wearing my other watches.

Enjoyed the read - everyone is different - and that is interesting.
 
Value/beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? If someone wants a mechanical watch to pass down to their children's children then so be it. I've worn some watches and I even had a Swiss Army watch that a jeweler said: "Wow they don't make them like that anymore" - once Apple Watches came out, I stopped wearing my other watches.

Enjoyed the read - everyone is different - and that is interesting.
This is a very interesting thread with some fascinating comments.
I've been a watch collector for many years, mainly with automatic, self-winding mechanical movements, plus the
wonderful Eco-Drive movements and those with incredibly cheap but marvellous little movements as indicated by the Casio F-91W (shown in post #78). And the even better, indeed exceptional (and still inexpensive) Casio GW-M5610.

I totally get it that many are attracted to Apple watches (AW) for the features; fitness trackers, health companions, contactless payments etc, and that's fine. I'll stop short at saying all are 'disposable', but I find it strange that some pay 500$ and often far more for a device that has a finite life. Arguably a $1k AW in 10years time will have little or no commercial value, whereby a traditional watch of that value 'if chosen with care' over 10years or more will generally retain it's initial value, and in many cases exceed it!
If it's an Eco Drive model one can very easily change the battery for approx $25 after a good number of years, and on other models, rechargeable/secondary batteries will last up to 40 years with manufacturers claiming that it's highly unusual for these batteries to fail.
I followed the AW hype and general info long before it was launched, and admit to being extremely excited and was convinced I would purchase one. Then came the 2015 launch and I read not one but several of the official reviews. I was gutted by what I read. I'd expected it to be a wear-and-forget-for-years device in battery terms. As a watch enthusiast having to re-charge even a smart-watch battery every 24 hrs or so I thought was a cruel joke. And that's one of the reasons I still don't own one.
With advanced technology since 2015, I'm surprised that most 2023 AW models are rated 'good' for around 25-30 hours, and require several recharges to last even a week.

Lastly a word about the all-important water-proofing. I believe I read that the series 8 and Ultra AW (relatively expensive at $500 upwards) and also some Garmin and Huawei models are proofed to 10bar which is the recommendation for swimming and snorkeling but not for surface diving or other active water sports.
Whereby I have a number of less expensive diver's watches at double the proof rating (20bar) suitable for whatever water sport one wishes to practice without any fear of water ingress; one of which I purchased new last year for a mere $50 which (unlike many G-Shocks) is not only an impressive and attractive watch for everyday use, but is rapidly becoming an icon amongst collectors. Which begs the question, why cannot Apple produce a smart watch with a similar 20bar rating across all their models and suitable for all sports, if Casio and some others easily achieve this with clever sealing arrangement without the need for super-strong adhesives? As for the Hermes collection, I'll say no more...... except, in preference there is one Seiko model which is a little cheaper and I would purchase in a heartbeat if I could find one.
The Apple watch has been an undeniable success, selling more watches in 2020 than the entire Swiss watch industry which includes Swatch, Tag Heuer and others. But even as a long-term fan and collector of Apple products as well as watches, the AW, although a fascinating device, still has no place reserved in my collection.
For those AW wearers who may eventually also be interested in a very good, inexpensive traditional watch, why not look in on the Picture Gallery/Whos Got A Nice Watch forum.
 
This is a very interesting thread with some fascinating comments.
I've been a watch collector for many years, mainly with automatic, self-winding mechanical movements, plus the
wonderful Eco-Drive movements and those with incredibly cheap but marvellous little movements as indicated by the Casio F-91W (shown in post #78). And the even better, indeed exceptional (and still inexpensive) Casio GW-M5610.

I totally get it that many are attracted to Apple watches (AW) for the features; fitness trackers, health companions, contactless payments etc, and that's fine. I'll stop short at saying all are 'disposable', but I find it strange that some pay 500$ and often far more for a device that has a finite life. Arguably a $1k AW in 10years time will have little or no commercial value, whereby a traditional watch of that value 'if chosen with care' over 10years or more will generally retain it's initial value, and in many cases exceed it!
If it's an Eco Drive model one can very easily change the battery for approx $25 after a good number of years, and on other models, rechargeable/secondary batteries will last up to 40 years with manufacturers claiming that it's highly unusual for these batteries to fail.
I followed the AW hype and general info long before it was launched, and admit to being extremely excited and was convinced I would purchase one. Then came the 2015 launch and I read not one but several of the official reviews. I was gutted by what I read. I'd expected it to be a wear-and-forget-for-years device in battery terms. As a watch enthousiast having to re-charge even a smart-watch battery every 24 hrs or so I thought was a cruel joke. And that's one of the reasons I still don't own one.
With advanced technology since 2015, I'm surprised that most 2023 AW models are rated 'good' for around 25-30 hours, and require several recharges to last even a week.

Lastly a word about the all-important water-proofing. I believe I read that the series 8 and Ultra AW (relatively expensive at $500 upwards) and also some Garmin and Huawei models are proofed to 10bar which is the recommendation for swimming and snorkeling but not for surface diving or other active water sports.
Whereby I have a number of less expensive diver's watches at double the proof rating (20bar) suitable for whatever water sport one wishes to practice without any fear of water ingress; one of which I purchased new last year for a mere $50 which (unlike many G-Shocks) is not only an impressive and attractive watch for everyday use, but is rapidly becoming an icon amongst collectors. Which begs the question, why cannot Apple produce a smart watch with a similar 20bar rating across all their models and suitable for all sports, if Casio and some others easily achieve this with clever sealing arrangement without the need for super-strong adhesives? As for the Hermes collection, I'll say no more...... except, in preference there is one Seiko model which is a little cheaper and I would purchase in a heartbeat if I could find one.
The Apple watch has been an undeniable success, selling more watches in 2020 than the entire Swiss watch industry which includes Swatch, Tag Heuer and others. But even as a long-term fan and collector of Apple products as well as watches, the AW, although a fascinating device, still has no place reserved in my collection.
For those AW wearers who may eventually also be interested in a very good, inexpensive traditional watch, why not look in on the Picture Gallery/Whos Got A Nice Watch forum.


I could be wrong, but I don't think that many AW owners hang onto their watches for 10 years. If you take the Ultra at US$799, use it for two years, and then sell it for say $350, then the price of the watch is arguably $449.

Arguably that's actually worse :D as if your cost is $449 every two years then over 10 years that's $2,245.

At the same time though, you're getting upgrades and new features during that time. Just like a phone, laptop, or any other computing device. You could try to get 10 years out of a phone too, and you might just be able to do it, but you'd be well behind the tech curve. But hey, if you just want to make phone calls then that's ok.

I agree though, if your intent is to have accurate timekeeping, cost effectiveness, and ease of use, watches like the Citizen Eco Drive and Casio G-Shock are tough to beat, IMO. Particularly if you have the version that do over the air time synchronization. I pulled out my G-Shock the other day. It gets a pretty poor radio signal where I live and had not synchronized since September last year, so 9 months. The time was out by about 2.5 seconds over that period, which in my view is pretty spectacular. A day and a night on my balcony and it was charged, synchronized, and ready to rock again. It's been years since I wore a "regular" watch daily (went to Fitbit, then AW) but the G-Shock (and my Eco-Drive for that matter) don't miss a beat. Actually my Eco-Drive is now flat too, but easy to rectify. Hopefully. My Tag has had the battery removed and it effectively in cold storage.


For the water resistance, I wonder if the speaker/microphone brings in some complications there? The Ultra is totally fine for water sports though, including Scuba down to 40M.
 
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