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jordii

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I'm in the market for a Mini. Will try to wait for M4.

I'm trying to future-proof. I don't do gnarly computation, so Pro chip seems unnecessary. But is it possible that something like AI might eventually require Pro chip for full function?
 
Doubtful. The AI stuff will be done using the neural processing unit within the chip, and not so much using the cpu cores. Apple tends to drop entire year classes of chips when determining which machines to leave behind in updates. Given past history, I suspect we'll see all M1 series chips phased out at the same time, with the exception possibly being the Ultra that may get an extra year or two because they appear to be on a longer refresh cycle than the other chips in the lineup.

That said, no one truly knows because we haven't seen Apple drop support for any M* chips yet.

On a side note, I've seen my wife run her portrait photography workflow on a base model 8/256 MacBook Air with nothing more than an external SSD attached, and it handles it incredibly well. Sure it pages like crazy, but it gets the job done without much delay. If you don't feel you need a Pro model, you likely don't.

The way I see it, even if it means abusing the machine, it makes better financial sense to get the lowest configuration Mac you can get away with and pick up a new one when you need it. Trying to future proof often means living without a set of features for several years while you are trying to justify the expense of an $1800 mini configuration when you could have bought the $600 configuration, upgraded twice, and maintained the latest features all while still spending the same amount of money (less if you are pulling from an interest accruing account). Apple's upgrades are simply too pricy to justify buying more computer than you actually need for personal use.
 
Doubtful. The AI stuff will be done using the neural processing unit within the chip, and not so much using the cpu cores. Apple tends to drop entire year classes of chips when determining which machines to leave behind in updates. Given past history, I suspect we'll see all M1 series chips phased out at the same time, with the exception possibly being the Ultra that may get an extra year or two because they appear to be on a longer refresh cycle than the other chips in the lineup.

That said, no one truly knows because we haven't seen Apple drop support for any M* chips yet.

On a side note, I've seen my wife run her portrait photography workflow on a base model 8/256 MacBook Air with nothing more than an external SSD attached, and it handles it incredibly well. Sure it pages like crazy, but it gets the job done without much delay. If you don't feel you need a Pro model, you likely don't.

The way I see it, even if it means abusing the machine, it makes better financial sense to get the lowest configuration Mac you can get away with and pick up a new one when you need it. Trying to future proof often means living without a set of features for several years while you are trying to justify the expense of an $1800 mini configuration when you could have bought the $600 configuration, upgraded twice, and maintained the latest features all while still spending the same amount of money (less if you are pulling from an interest accruing account). Apple's upgrades are simply too pricy to justify buying more computer than you actually need for personal use.
Thanks!

M1 is more power than 95% of users need, or would even notice. You could quadruple my processing speed, and I'd only notice in fleeting glimpses. Computers are Good Enough, and nobody in the biz (including reporters) wants to say so for obvious commercial reasons.

As for upgrades, bear in mind that different people are different cases. You'd be surprised how specific patterns of device use, age, health, location, etc, can change things. I'm 60, and my upgrade factors are completely different now...surprisingly so.
 
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Top tier Mac computers don’t really have a much longer usable lifespan than the mid grade models.
Future proofing is a fantasy.

Just look back at all the old macs. All of them, loaded to the gills or standard configurations, all pretty much die out at the same time.
A 15% bump in cpu performance or more Ram won’t help you when your OS has become obsolete.

My motto:
Never buy the lowest tier model because it will definitely be gimped.
Never buy the top tier model because it is a rip off for the small performance gain you get.
 
M1 is more power than 95% of users need, or would even notice. You could quadruple my processing speed, and I'd only notice in fleeting glimpses. Computers are Good Enough, and nobody in the biz (including reporters) wants to say so for obvious commercial reasons.
very true. thanks for preempting this.
 
If I get another Mini to replace my current 2018 Mini, it WILL be an m4pro.

Doesn't make sense to me to "buy less".

I like the "extra headroom" -- if only "because it's there".

That said, if the new, "smaller" Minis don't come with enough ports, I'll probably hold out and get a base model Studio when they're released next year...
 
The Neural Engine/NPU and RAM are likely to be the two biggest drivers for AI performance. I can't speak for the M4 Pro and Max since they're not out yet, but for the M1-M3 Apple includes the same Neural Engine across all models.

Current rumors are that the M4 Macs will start with 16GB of RAM and support up to 32, so a maxed out 32 GB M4 Mac Mini would be more than adequately future-proofed for basic workloads. The CPU portion of the M4 is significantly faster than an M1 Pro/Max in single-core performance and within spitting distance in terms of multi-core, and those machines are still quite speedy.

The bigger question is if you think you'll need GPU performance. You will get a much bigger boost out of a Pro and Max chip in that department.
 
The Neural Engine/NPU and RAM are likely to be the two biggest drivers for AI performance. I can't speak for the M4 Pro and Max since they're not out yet, but for the M1-M3 Apple includes the same Neural Engine across all models.

Current rumors are that the M4 Macs will start with 16GB of RAM and support up to 32, so a maxed out 32 GB M4 Mac Mini would be more than adequately future-proofed for basic workloads. The CPU portion of the M4 is significantly faster than an M1 Pro/Max in single-core performance and within spitting distance in terms of multi-core, and those machines are still quite speedy.

The bigger question is if you think you'll need GPU performance. You will get a much bigger boost out of a Pro and Max chip in that department.
I like to imagine I'll delve deeper into gaming on my Mac, but the fact is that I really prefer it on iPad.
 
If I get another Mini to replace my current 2018 Mini, it WILL be an m4pro.

Doesn't make sense to me to "buy less".

I like the "extra headroom" -- if only "because it's there".

That said, if the new, "smaller" Minis don't come with enough ports, I'll probably hold out and get a base model Studio when they're released next year...
Sounds like you're the guy who drives the Audi at 54mph and takes corners like he's in a Civic.
 
I'm a big fan of internal storage - so when I started speccing mini with 2TB I wasn't far off the studio so I ended up going with that. over kill but no regrets.

next time round id be tempted to just get laptop and monitor though.
 
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