Don't understand comparison between Android and Iphone

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by corriewf, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. corriewf macrumors 6502a

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    Something I don't understand with all of the comparisons between the iphone and Android phones, is why? I mean, I love the UI of the android phones, especially the HTC sense on top. However with that said, in 2 years time, Google has not addressed the app storage problem. You can't store apps on the SD card unless you want to root. So you are limited in the app market because the devs can't make large file size apps and your limited on the user end as you can't install them to sd. Whats the point? Here's a pretty box that's super awesome, WOAH there kid, let's not put anything in there.

    Check out how old of an issue this is.

    http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1151

    I was researching Android as I was thinking about getting one and came across that. Wow, 2 years later!!! Yeah, I get that Android can do multitasking, but if I have to hack my phone to get sd access, whats the point? I can hack my iphone for multitasking. So the " You have to jailbreak your Iphone to get the features Android offers " is a silly point since have to hack your Android to store apps to your main storage device, sd.

    In my frustration, I find myself wondering why any of these companies can't seem to figure out how to provide for their user base. Apple, multitasking is not revolutionary and Android, storing to sd card is not either.

    I feel like as a consumer, we should be watching the battle of the titans fight over offering the coolest innovative technology, instead we are watching them plug holes in the dam with their fingers. These companies are both equally disappointing in these regards. However at this time, I find Apple's Iphone a little less disappointing. Even if I am limited to running one app at a time, at least there are amazing 400 mb apps I can download and install. :rolleyes:
     
  2. DoNoHarm macrumors 65816

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    I think the whole multitasking issue is also a little overemphasized. Would it be better if you could multitask on the iphone? yes. but I have owned a google nexus one for a couple of weeks and the crashing and battery drain really don't make things pleasant. I definately prefer the stability of the iphone.

    I think what you'll see in the next release is the ability to do -a little- multitasking. Like listening to pandora or maybe picking which apps can multitask and which cannot.

    This would be the ideal middle ground. On one hand you won't feel like you can't walk and chew gum at the same time and on the other hand, you won't need a task killer on your home screen to constantly be killing apps for the sake of stability.
     
  3. ChazUK macrumors 603

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    Applications have full access to the SD storage so for example:

    ExZeus on Android uses 1.21MB of the system storage and uses 50MB (ish) on the SD Card.
    Raging Thunder 2 uses 3.85MB of the system storage and uses 22MB on the SD card.

    The only limit to what an Android app can use is the limit of your SD storage. I do admit that this is less than ideal but it is a workaround.


    Apps on the SD card is on the way but there are solutions on what can be done now.
     
  4. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I very rarely use multitasking, but when I do, it was really needed. For example in cases where I needed information from one app to use in another and copy and paste were not applicable.

    An easy fix to battery drain etc is to a on/off toggle in setting for multitasking. If I could think of that, im sure some genius at Apple could. I mean hey, 3g uses up my battery faster too, but I can turn that off and on as I need it. These things are common sense. Having half a gig of memory and NEEDING to store apps on an SD card because you only have half a gig of space is COMMON SENSE. Arrg! Instead of getting state of the art technology and advancements, we have to wait on common sense updates from these companies and pretend it's an amazing feature when we get it. Hey look I can multitask people! I would rather say, hey look, I have been multitasking for years, but check out this < insert floating hologram phone etc technology>.

    Yes, wow, I like touchscreens. Yes wow, it's a phone with a touchscreen. Yes, wow, every company can make one now. WOW FACEBOOK AND TWITTER ON ONE PAGE!?!?! Well, I don't have twitter and facebook is full of friends I can't stand in person. ( Just kidding ) Seriously, I will not understand the comparisons or the blind following of any company until that company has almost every feature as everyone else and some amazing innovative feature that no one else has.

    Oh and the snap dragon? Asians are laughing at us Americans. They have had them for over a year in their countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

    5 megapixel camera? They have had 8+ megapixel cameras for years and ones that record in HD.

    Maybe I am just super bored, but all of this ""technology" is uhh boring. Razzle me dazzle, make me an sammich. :D

    Xperia 10
    HTC Desire
    Moto Droid
    Iphone 3GS
    Nexus 1
    HTC Legend

    It's all the same technology with lame cameras ( compared to Asia ) and different ways of viewing photos, friends (facebook etc) and apps. You port every app from the Iphone to Android and give the Iphone the same UI features and assuming that they all process things efficiently, they are the same phone.

    I really really really hope that Apple comes out with an A+ phone this year. I do hope indeed that it's a new phone and not another upgrade. Give me wireless sync and 8 megapixel camera. Give me a 1.2 dual core processor. Give me this:

    The latest and greatest baby, that's what Apple used to be known for. :) Blow us away! I will take two from any company that can. :D

    Yeah but that's just save data, user data? You couldn't have a say Navigon ( not that you need it just an example ) or Grand Theft Auto China Wars on Android. You can't save that much data to the SD card.

    The solutions you refer to are the same solution employed by the Iphone to enjoy the same ( or similar ) features as Android phones. User hacking is not an excuse for these companies. It just isn't.

    Why should any customer have to wait year(s) for a company to fix something that is common sense. They can figure out that we want a proximity sensor so that when I take the phone from my ear, the screen comes on, but they can't figure out that people want multitasking or wallpapers? Why every update do I find myself saying " And why didn't they fix this a long time ago? "..... It's like people want a 5 megapixel camera in the next Iphone, why? 3 megapixel was in the blackberry storm years ago, 5 megapixel is in all the new phones since Oct/Nov, can't we have 8 and be "ahead" of the curve?

    I fear that if the Ipad is any indication, these companies are going to try their best to equal each other out. We will just have a stalemate with minor differences between phones.
     
  5. ChazUK macrumors 603

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    It's nothing like you've described above. All game assets
    (Textures, sound, levels etc) are stored on the SD card and only the binary executable file needs to be on the system memory which will then load from the SD card.

    Another example is programs like ScummVM on Android where the games are stored on the SD card and the ScummVM app is on the system partition.

    With the Native Development Kit, Android games can be just as good as iPhone games and the two most graphically advanced games I've played (in the videos above) both use game assets loaded from the SD card perfectly fine with minimum memory footprint o the internal system partition. I'd also guess that GPS apps also use the SD card for reading and writing map data.

    Developers have far more than the internal memory to play with in Android. Eventually I'll get a 32gb sdhc card for my N1 as an upgrade to my 8gb micro SD card I'm using now.
     
  6. thetexan macrumors 6502a

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    The comparison is there because Android 2.0 is the first phone OS that can go toe-to-toe with iPhone OS and even win some rounds. Both OS'es have their advantages and disadvantages and things I liked / didn't like.

    Bottom line there is a philosophical difference between the two. Apple is a closed system. At every corner Apple placed limitations on an out-the-box iPhone. Applications are sandboxed and don't interact with each other. You must use iTunes to sync your music and you can not put an application on your phone unless Apple approved it. iPhone is built on simplicity. It's a simple to use UI with no big learning curve. I compare it to a nice bike with training wheels. (You can jailbreak to remove the training wheels but it seems with every update Apple makes it that much harder, they hate hackers).

    Android however is open with applications. Don't like the stock SMS application, web browser, or music player? Grab another one from the market and make it your default. Want to download an application Google has not approved? Check the box "Allow install from non-market sources" then click through a few warning boxes and install away. Need full file system access to your storage to make file operations happen like delete, rename, and move? Sure, easily done. Want to route all your calls automatically through Google voice? It's easy. It's like a fast 10-speed with no training wheels. You can do more with it, but there's a chance you could hurt yourself and it takes longer to learn how.

    Those are the "out of box" differences between the two.
     
  7. abijnk macrumors 68040

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    This is a common misconception that I've come across. People hear that and think that the entire app has to fit in this small partition. Its simply not the case, as you described very well.

    Going with the Navigon example, as long as you have the SD card space to store the map data there is no reason you couldn't have it on your android phone.
     
  8. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Well that does sound better than the situation I understood it to be. Why are people complaining about this issue so much? I have heard these complaints several places. The support ticket I linked is looong with complaints. It can't be all daisies and rose petals can it?

    @thetexan: No, Palmos was the first OS that could go toe to toe with the Iphones. The only reason it didn't compete as well is due to the limiting factors of the hardware. The Palm Pre is far from an iphone. It's a slide out keyboard and imo flimsy. If Palm came out with a capacitive touchscreen without a keyboard that was 3.5-4 inches, we would see a lot more competition from it. One can think it is only a matter of time.

    Google ( outside the Nexus One ) is more in the market to make money off of it's market place. The more phones using market place aka Android, the more money they make. So they opened up Android to any company that wants to use it and decided not to charge a premium. They allow the manufacturers to change whatever they want with the OS to suite their phones needs. The downside is that there are apps in the Android market that do not exactly run correctly on all hardwares. Some games for example do not use the full screen of some of the larger screened phones. This is where Apple shines. Apple's OS is built for THEIR devices. You buy an app in the Apple app store and you know it will work for the most part. The exception being if you have a older 2g or 1st 2nd gen ipod touch.

    The bottom line is that Apple wins in functionality whereas Android may win in customization. However this does not excuse the two from stupid holes in their software. This is where my point lays, why should we be happy when they come out with a mega update that simply fixes something that should have never been a problem to begin with.

    If 4.0 comes out and it's simply features like:

    Photo Albums redesign
    Multitask
    Wallpapers

    If they push that as their newest innovations, I will die of laughter. I really hope my prediction of these two companies simply leveling off with one another, doesn't come true. I really hope they actually really push for innovation. It scares me what Apple seems to feel content with lately. The Ipad is hardly innovative. Likewise, I hope Android doesn't think adding a few home screens or 3-D scrolling appearance in the app listing section is amazing.
     
  9. ViViDboarder macrumors 68040

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    Mutitasking and themes are not what I need from a new device. I just don't like the way Apple handles the App Store. I want to have open app development. As an independent developer I don't want to pay $99/year just to give apps to the community and use personally.

    Other than that... neither device really has much of an advantage over the other. Especially a rooted Android device and a Jailbroken iPhone.
     
  10. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Apple is greedy man. I feel your pain, but at the same time, I think it cost money to host files and approve them. Android being new might be free for now, but that could very well be a marketing scheme. It also could be that Android foresees themselves having a larger market share than Apple since their OS can be used on a large array of phones. They could very well in a few years have more apps and more downloads than Apple from their app store. It logical to think that having your OS on more devices would give a larger market. As a developer, I would think it would be harder to make an app for Android that is compatible with the large array of devices and resolutions. So maybe right now the trade off is more work for compatibility with the Android versus less developmental work for a 99 fee with Apple.
     
  11. ViViDboarder macrumors 68040

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    I don't need Apple to host my files... Can't I program my own apps and install them on my own phone for free? Why can't I create my own distribution method so others can install them? Thank Saurik for Cydia.

    As for compatibility between devices, I'm pretty sure you can always limit it yourself to a particular device if you don't think it will work well on another device. It's definitely a tradeoff. This is where, I hate to say it, but Microsoft has a good idea. They put together strict guidelines on what needs to be present in any new WM7S phone. So you get the benefit that Apple developers have but still the open handset manufacturers that Android consumers get. Good idea. I wouldn't mind every phone OS adopting a similar guideline. I think it's almost what the idea behind The Google Phone is. So Nexus One, Nexus Two, etc will all have specific component requirements.
     
  12. UnLiMiTeD558 macrumors 6502

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    xperia x10 has a 8.1 MP camera and can record in HD.
     
  13. Madmic23 macrumors 6502a

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    I'm still on the fence with what phone to get. I just got my hardware upgrade credit with Bell (in Canada) and was going to get an iPhone 3GS. Now, the Nexus One is available in Canada, unlocked and ready to go.

    I've looked at some other Android phones to get a sense of the UI, and I do like it, but something just seems a bit "off" to me. The iPhone UI just feels solid and unified, where the Android UI feels like I'm using Ubuntu Linux.

    I still haven't decided what to go with. I love the idea of getting the iPhone, as everything I have is Apple and I've wanted one since before Apple officially announced a phone.

    But I do really like the idea of Android, and some of the apps available are pretty slick.

    I'll get it all figured out eventually.
     
  14. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I have been secretly lusting for that phone. I just hate the fact that your stuck with blue.... uggh! More common sense bloopers.
     
  15. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Its not a good time to upgrade. However in a couple months, everyone will wish they had their contract up. I personally have to wait till August. I consider that pretty decent as I signed up in August with the 3GS. :)
     
  16. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Ahh but see that's what the world is about now days. Apple is trying to protect YOU from YOURSELF. Government and everyone else is trying to do the same thing.

    What doesn't make sense is that Android apps should auto upscale, downscale. Apple's apps do it very well and I don't think they were planing on having such a large array of screen sizes that Android has/will have. Another brain fart at Google. Different handsets with different processors and different screens, let's throw it on the backs of the devs. But hey, it doesn't cost them 99 bucks!
     
  17. ChazUK macrumors 603

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    Android apps do auto upscale. I have Orange Maps (free GPS software for Android for Orange UK customers) which was designed for qvga screens and it works perfectly on my N1.

    The Android SDK and emulator has had multiple resolution support built in since Android 1.6.
    http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
     
  18. Acejam2k macrumors regular

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    ^^^ Typical uptight "apple user".

    Clearly, you've never used a Nexus One before. It will literally run circles around a 3GS, and has far better features when compared out of the box to the 3GS.

    Quit while you're ahead. Seriously. ;)
     
  19. DoNoHarm macrumors 65816

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    hey hows that defective touchscreen working out for you?

    which task killer are you using?

    how often do you need to reboot?

    have you ever looked at your reception while you're holding the phone?

    enjoy your nexus one. Seriously ;)
     
  20. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Well, I have seen reviews of different android phones playing games and the menus did not scale up. I believe the games scaled up, but the menus had a black bar on one side. That's ugly.
     
  21. corriewf thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Yeah it has better features but how does it run circles around the Iphone? Are you referring to multitasking? If you are, than Palm Pre " ran circles " too.
     
  22. ViViDboarder macrumors 68040

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    http://www.funkyspacemonkey.com/side-side-specs-iphone-nexus-motorola-droid

    Just about 2x the processor speed, 2x the ram, almost 2x the camera resolution, bigger screen, more storage space (with expanded SD cards), flash on camera, more audio formats...

    All very good reasons to say that...
     
  23. ajohnson253 macrumors 68000

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    The nexus 1, the 3GS. They both have there feature that strengthen themselves. It's all comes down to personal reference. I enjoy the 3GS because of the simplicity of the OS, the scrolling bounce back unlike any other phone I've seen. The keyboard is better then any touchscreen device I've used. The OS doesn't visually seem clunky and confusing as androids does.

    I really do like how easy multitasking is on the androids. Could care less if the iPhone because I'm easily living without it.

    The only thing holding me back from the N1 is all the glitches and complaints I'm seeing including the touchscreen and the colors being fades on the AT&T version, not being able to see in the sun Either. I've just heard a number of things that not even one of those problems exist on the iPhone.

    But still nexus I'm sure will be having the nexus 2 and so fourth and I'll guarantee they'll work out the kinks as time goes on. We will have to see. Good competition, Steve obviously thinks so too.
     

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