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Well, bummer. First of all Apple indeed brought the powerful M1 Apple Silicon chip to the Mac Mini.

BUT:

- They put a limit of 16GB of Ram (previously 64GB) you can select. Why Apple, why?

- No more Space Grey, damn.

I guess they had to downgrade it in some ways to not compete with their other Pro Macs.
 
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They put a limit of 16GB of Ram (previously 64GB) you can select. Why Apple, why?

I think RAM might not matter as much anymore. Look at iPhones and iPads. They consistently use less RAM than Android and PC counterparts, yet perform as well if not better. The iPad Pro has only 6GB of RAM, but the Surface Pro X has 8GB or 16GB, yet the iPad Pro beats it in most tasks and nearly all benchmarks. Maybe when it's Apple's OS running on Apple's chips, having a ton of RAM is no longer needed.
 
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you forgot going from 4 thunderbolt ports to 2.

Seems all of the machines released today have the max 16GB and 2 thunderbolt port limits.

I am intrigued by GPU improvements. Guessing M2 will address some of these :)
 
I think RAM might not matter as much anymore. Look at iPhones and iPads. They consistently use less RAM than Android and PC counterparts, yet perform as well if not better. The iPad Pro uses only 6GB of RAM! Maybe when it's Apple's OS running on Apple's chips, having a ton of RAM is no longer needed.

Hey maybe you’re right. But the Mac Mini isn’t a mobile device thus more Ram wouldn’t eat battery life like on a iPad Pro.

But yeah who knows maybe the M1 chip makes up for it and we need less Ram in future indeed.
 
Only "supports up to two displays" 😐

Edit: It says it supports two 4K60Hz displays and there are 3 video out ports. Perhaps it will support 3x 1440p or 1080p monitors. Holding out some hope for that..
 
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Hey maybe you’re right. But the Mac Mini isn’t a mobile device thus more Ram wouldn’t eat battery life like on a iPad Pro.

But yeah who knows maybe the M1 chip makes up for it and we need less Ram in future indeed.

Not just power, RAM is also expensive, and reducing the need to rely on it for speed saves money.

My guess is due to faster processors, more cache and integrated memory, and faster IO, they don't need stuff to sit in RAM for high availability. In other words, if the M1 can load it, compute it, and dump it faster than an Intel cpu can just compute it, then there is no reason to have massive amounts of RAM.
 
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I think this Mac mini is meant to replace the hole left in the budget market. Remember the older ones were always lowered price. They are still selling the i5 & I7 versions starting at $1099 alongside the new M1 ones. I think the 2018/2020 were meant to be Pro models like the iMac Pro and that is why they are space gray. The new ones are silver like the older budget ones. I mean they even cut down on the ports and it has no upgradeable RAM.
I think they will likely launch another model once fully go Apple Silicon and do their Pro desktops.
 
They are still selling the i5/i7 mini’s.

I don’t think this is a replacement for the 6-core Intel minis. I think this is a replacement for the i3 mini.

I predict a space gray mini with the M1X chip next year, that’ll include the 4TB ports and up to 64gb of ram. Don’t worry.
 
There’s a ton of ARM compiled Linux stuff out there - look at the world of Raspberry Pi Docker containers. Whether it'll work on an M1 is a different matter.
 
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This happens every time Apple releases a new design. It's crippled or disappointing in some fundamental way. Remember the original MacBook Air?

Unless you're the type of person that always has to have the newest and shiniest, you're better off letting early adopters subsidize more storage, memory, ports, and power in subsequent versions.

If you can, wait for the M2, or better yet, M3 Silicon Macs.
 
The lower price has made it more accessible for a lot of people. It looks the way it is positioned, you won't feel bad to just getting the cheapest Mac Mini.
 
I like the question they asked in the presentation, "What software won't it run?" My answer: Autodesk Maya. We will have to see if that integrated GPU is really better than dedicated. Because its nice to play games and see stuff run, uhh ... what about the building part?
 
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I think RAM might not matter as much anymore. Look at iPhones and iPads. They consistently use less RAM than Android and PC counterparts, yet perform as well if not better. The iPad Pro has only 6GB of RAM, but the Surface Pro X has 8GB or 16GB, yet the iPad Pro beats it in most tasks and nearly all benchmarks. Maybe when it's Apple's OS running on Apple's chips, having a ton of RAM is no longer needed.

That’s not how RAM works. Most of the ram in use on a desktop is not by the program but by data sets in use. Editing a 52 Megapixel photo uses the same memory no matter the architecture, be it x86, PPC, ARM, MIPS, or anything else. The iPP gets by with the workload it’s experiencing. Desktops have a much different workload.


I was holding out for this but sprung for a good deal on a used 2018 model a couple of weeks ago when the rumors were pointing to the iMac getting AS first. I have no regrets, my i7 should last a long time and looks much better than this, benchmarks pending.
 
That’s not how RAM works. Most of the ram in use on a desktop is not by the program but by data sets in use. Editing a 52 Megapixel photo uses the same memory no matter the architecture, be it x86, PPC, ARM, MIPS, or anything else. The iPP gets by with the workload it’s experiencing. Desktops have a much different workload.


I was holding out for this but sprung for a good deal on a used 2018 model a couple of weeks ago when the rumors were pointing to the iMac getting AS first. I have no regrets, my i7 should last a long time and looks much better than this, benchmarks pending.

I'm not saying RAM works differently, but the "need" for RAM is different. Why is RAM needed? It's an in-between medium between the CPU cache and slow storage. Normally, because storage is slow and cache is limited, we designed systems to park a lot of data in RAM even if it was not necessarily needed right that second, because loading it into RAM took too much time if you waited until the second you needed it. But I'm not sure that is still as applicable today as it was 20 years ago.

First, and I don't know this to be the case with M1, but efficient RAM compression can make do with less RAM if the compression/decompression algorithms are built-in to the SoC architecture. I've seen it used very efficiently on even Intel Atom chips, where the penalty for the compression was basically deminimis compared to the performance gains of being able to store more data in the same amount of RAM. Lots of servers make use of this today. Thus depending on the compressibility of the data stored in RAM, some gains can be had there.

Second, the difference with M1 is not just that it's ARM, but that they have more controllers into the SoC itself, which improves IO performance. The M1 contains inside it basically everything we used to have on an entire PC motherboard 20 years ago. Most of us have learned to avoid virtual memory like the plague because we grew up with rust spinners connected over slow IDE interfaces where page-outs would slow a system to a molasse drip. But if you have a blazing fast NAND chips directly connected via an on-chip interface controller (something I have not seen anywhere else but in Apple chips), the performance hit of using virtual memory may not be so bad. Paired with the larger amount of cache available on the SoC, it seems the only thing the RAM would be needed for is the immediate-term storage of data moving between storage and processor, but not needed to store medium-term datasets. In other words, you don't need a lot of RAM if the time it takes to load what your CPU needs right now is basically nothing.

Again, this is mostly speculation. But from what Apple showed today, and what Apple has done with A-series chips and iOS optimization in the past, I am not sure the RAM paradigm we're used to is applicable here. If the Macbook Air can load that 52 Megapixel photo you mentioned from storage into RAM as fast as the SoC can process it, then it really doesn't matter how much RAM you have.
 
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