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Not directly, but by breaking NDA there’s always the possibility that Apple makes it worse for legit developers to protect it’s plans.
 
I was saying Apple should be more strict on who downloads the seeds, like I've mentioned in other post, the minimum developer price should be $1000, this will ensure proper investment and better quality of apps.

Windows suffers from a lack of quality management and engineers and the community they attract reflects that. no one cares about quality, and I feel Apple has been slipping into that realm since the SL release.

Apple needs quality apps and not many apps. the ratio of quality verse trash is growing in apples stores for apps.





I see no probs with Apple allowing everyone to download seeds of Lion as it aids in better QT and helps pull out the bugs. So much can be avoided this way.
 
I hear that Lion phones home to Apple.
Sort of. It contacts swscan.apple.com, but apparently this is only used to send various system statistics and things like that. There is no personally identifiable information being sent.
apple will know if you download if being a non developer?
No, nor do they care. The iPolice will not show up at your door.
 
I am saying that the legally downloaded file has been cracked, and the installer checked.

If saying "legally downloaded" helps sooth your conscience, that's fine. But don't kid yourself, if are downloading it from anywhere other than a developer account, it's illegal period.

Sort of. It contacts swscan.apple.com, but apparently this is only used to send various system statistics and things like that. There is no personally identifiable information being sent.

No, nor do they care. The iPolice will not show up at your door.

I don't think it's fair to say that "they don't care". Apple knows that they can't stop pirating from happening, but they certainly do care, which is why they have been forcing the takedown of videos showing Lion in the past couple of days.
 
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If saying "legally downloaded" helps sooth your conscience, that's fine. But don't kid yourself, if are downloading it from anywhere other than a developer account, it's illegal period.

I downloaded it from the App Store.
 
I'm not a developer and I was invited by Apple to participate in the seed.:confused:

FYI, Apple's customer software seeding program (AppleSeed) is separate from the developer program so you do not have to be a developer for AppleSeed.

That program tries to select customers from a wider demographic. Periodically, current participants are allowed to refer others into the program (up to the customer seeding program manager to act on that info). Other times, a seeds project manager will randomly (based on info gleamed from product registrations) invite customers to test out software.

If you receive an invite out of the blue, act on it and don't lose it (by being an active participant and respecting the CSCA (aka the NDA for AppleSeed participants) because from what I hear, they are not exactly common place (most of us who have been in it for awhile were able to do so via direct contact with Apple engineers and thus, their referral).
 
I agree with you overall, but I think you're being a tiny bit harsh/elitist in many regards.

If someone wants to pay $100 for a buggy OS, and have no intentions of developing programs for it, it should be their right. Just because this "kid" downloads it for the wallpaper, doesn't mean the quality of the OS will be degraded for legit developers / programmers.

I agree. I downloaded it for fixing bugs, but a lot of people just want it because it's Lion. Who wouldn't want Lion!?
 
lol what's the big deal ?
If you want it, just go to TPB and download it there, or buy it for 100$.
Also, I don't understand why TUAW and Engadget say it's not "available for normal people". If they mean by "normal people" the old grandma who just discovered YouTube, than they are right. But pirates, rich people and developers should have no problem getting their hands on Lion. :cool:

And what really sucks about 10.7 is that the 3-finger-swiping won't bring you to the previous page anymore. It changes the space you are in. I realy hope that they change that to 4-finger-swiping, wich currently has the same propose as 3-finger-swiping. :eek:

You can always change the gesture settings in system preferences -> trackpad, can't you?
 
lol what's the big deal ?
If you want it, just go to TPB and download it there, or buy it for 100$.
Also, I don't understand why TUAW and Engadget say it's not "available for normal people". If they mean by "normal people" the old grandma who just discovered YouTube, than they are right. But pirates, rich people and developers should have no problem getting their hands on Lion. :cool:

And what really sucks about 10.7 is that the 3-finger-swiping won't bring you to the previous page anymore. It changes the space you are in. I realy hope that they change that to 4-finger-swiping, wich currently has the same propose as 3-finger-swiping. :eek:

You can change it back in trackpad preferences. Or just use the two-finger swipe already built in. You would have to learn a new gesture, but works just the same. It even has the cool animation swipe (three finger does not in this build). If you do want to change it back, just click "Swipe to navigate".
 
lol what's the big deal ?
If you want it, just go to TPB and download it there, or buy it for 100$.
Also, I don't understand why TUAW and Engadget say it's not "available for normal people". If they mean by "normal people" the old grandma who just discovered YouTube, than they are right. But pirates, rich people and developers should have no problem getting their hands on Lion. :cool:

And what really sucks about 10.7 is that the 3-finger-swiping won't bring you to the previous page anymore. It changes the space you are in. I realy hope that they change that to 4-finger-swiping, wich currently has the same propose as 3-finger-swiping. :eek:
Saying "it's not for normal people" is just their PR way of saying "don't pirate," or something to that effect. It's like how Apple puts "don't steal music" stickers on the iPod. (At least they did last time I bought an iPod.)
 
Giving away a beta version of the OS that expires after a year is better than charging $100 for a beta version of the OS. I know, they're the dev account not the beta itself, but I'm talking about regular users (eg non-developers).

Anyone who willingly keeps a beta version of an OS is a crackhead, but MS has to impose a time limit because otherwise people wont upgrade and then complain how buggy it is.

tl;dr: Microsoft's betas are free, Apple's aren't. Time limits are irrelevant.

Not strictly true for this level of beta. The version of Windows 7 beta for public release was more like an RC. You had to be a Technet member to get anything earlier than that (which is more than $100 to my knowledge...)
 
Not strictly true for this level of beta. The version of Windows 7 beta for public release was more like an RC. You had to be a Technet member to get anything earlier than that (which is more than $100 to my knowledge...)
Yes, TechNet is a bit more than ADC. And actually, having the amount of builds TechNet subscribers get can give you a headache sometimes. Sometimes new builds come so fast by the time you finish installing one, there's a new one to test.

I like Apple's pacing. I think Snow Leopard had a new build every two weeks. That's a fairly good amount of time to do some real evaluation with each build, and it makes it easy to actually see if a particular bug has been fixed or not.
 
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