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DRM

superbovine

superbovine

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The future of DRM, Digital Rights Management, for open source which will probably include apple.

down the road MS is going to release DRM server which will probably change the industry. It won't just for music, but all data. In a lecture, by a MS guy, an example of controling who gets to read your emails was giving as an example. You could send an e-mail to someone in your company, and only let them to read it, and they couldn't forward it to anyone. This sounds like a major selling point to executives who will probably drop serious cash to get this functionality. This could also be applied to the medical and insurance industries etc. In doing research for this, Sun is seems to be pushing for an open standard for everyone to follow for this type of transaction. My question is, does anyone believe microsoft drm standard will take hold, or do you believe and open-source verison will compete with it. In the past when microsoft got into the server market, to compete with the UNIX people microsoft made most of their products compatible to the standards unix was using, but added their own features. also, does any believe DRM will not take hold in the future?
 
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Think about it, now they'll want to use email to send sensitive data, or what not. Very soon, the way we send info won't be the same. Its kinda sad actually. But yeah, microsoft even wants to encrypt data coming to your monitor (Which will probably a new monitor). Eventually the MPAA and the RIAA are going to have to shove it, they can only go so far.
 
blaskillet4 said:
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Think about it, now they'll want to use email to send sensitive data, or what not. Very soon, the way we send info won't be the same. Its kinda sad actually. But yeah, microsoft even wants to encrypt data coming to your monitor (Which will probably a new monitor). Eventually the MPAA and the RIAA are going to have to shove it, they can only go so far.
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data going to monitor is silly because there are devices that exist that can interput the radition emitting for a CRT or LCD and display what is going on in real time.
 
Hate to break it to you, but Outlook 2003 ALREADY includes DRM for e-mails... of course, there are a number of conditions that must be true in order for it to work. But you can prevent an e-mail from being forwarded or responded to, you can prevent it from being printed, you can even (IIRC) prevent it from being copied into the clipboard. The only thing you can't really prevent is someone writing down what they're reading and composing a new message... but if your IT team is on the ball, they could monitor outgoing e-mails for specific phrases or strings of characters.
 
superbovine said:
data going to monitor is silly because there are devices that exist that can interput the radition emitting for a CRT or LCD and display what is going on in real time.
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screenshot->OCR software->plain text ;)
 
clayj said:
Hate to break it to you, but Outlook 2003 ALREADY includes DRM for e-mails... of course, there are a number of conditions that must be true in order for it to work. But you can prevent an e-mail from being forwarded or responded to, you can prevent it from being printed, you can even (IIRC) prevent it from being copied into the clipboard. The only thing you can't really prevent is someone writing down what they're reading and composing a new message... but if your IT team is on the ball, they could monitor outgoing e-mails for specific phrases or strings of characters.
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Have you even looked what DRM server can do? And yes, I know outlook 2003 supports DRM. the server will let DRM communicate in real time with all application (in theory). the email was just an example, but it will make it easier to have encrypted email which most email systems lack at the moment.
 
I'm looking forward to when everything is DRM and the content providers have full control.

They will then be able to make decisions for us, i.e., on what devices and when we can play such content. Our lives will be much more simpler, and thus we won't have to think so much. Product and purchase confusion will ease on the poor population, suffering from information overload.

Finally, this will hopefully then stop the immoral act of theft and general criminal acts that is clouding our societies today. We will then get an opportunity to reflect on our immoral life as it is today and how evil we were to deprive companies of their $$$$.

;)
 
superbovine said:
i was referring to device that you view someone's monitor from outside their house via radio.

http://eckbox.sourceforge.net/

I used to have a URL with a british military study on subject too, but i can't find it.
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googling tempest and NSA together will likely yield good links. TEMPEST is what they use to foil the screen readers.

I was in a secure room once. It was rather interesting. The room was a vault with 1' thick walls floor and ceiling. It was on the second floor of the building with offices on all sides. The door was like a bank vault door. There was copper mesh embedded in all of the walls and music playing constantly.

Side thoughts.

DRM would be a cool name for a band.
The constitution provides for the protection by law of useful arts. If you have music that you can't listen to is it really useful?
The monopolists controlling what we listen to and how, doesn't that bring us up to a 1984 scenario, doesn't that make it ironic that the re-edited 1984 commercial has the woman with an iPod?
 
MongoTheGeek said:
DRM would be a cool name for a band.
The constitution provides for the protection by law of useful arts. If you have music that you can't listen to is it really useful?
The monopolists controlling what we listen to and how, doesn't that bring us up to a 1984 scenario, doesn't that make it ironic that the re-edited 1984 commercial has the woman with an iPod?
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what about protecting confidential info i.e. medical info, insurance info, etc?
 
MongoTheGeek said:
googling tempest and NSA together will likely yield good links. TEMPEST is what they use to foil the screen readers.

I was in a secure room once. It was rather interesting. The room was a vault with 1' thick walls floor and ceiling. It was on the second floor of the building with offices on all sides. The door was like a bank vault door. There was copper mesh embedded in all of the walls and music playing constantly.

Side thoughts.

DRM would be a cool name for a band.
The constitution provides for the protection by law of useful arts. If you have music that you can't listen to is it really useful?
The monopolists controlling what we listen to and how, doesn't that bring us up to a 1984 scenario, doesn't that make it ironic that the re-edited 1984 commercial has the woman with an iPod?
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Playing around with queries on Google I found a pretty awesome article about actually trying out Van Eck Phreaking and TEMPEST stuff:

http://bss.sfsu.edu/fischer/IR 360/Readings/tempest.htm
 
I think the OP was asking about whether a Microsoft proprietary standard would predominate vs an open standard.

Based on past behaviour (several years of it) MS is likely to push a proprietary standard. Sure, early in the piece (as one of the other posters mentioned) MS may align with an open standard, then add its own features. But then as it approaches a large market share all bets will be off and they will pronounce their proprietary standard to be "the industry standard".

IMHO.
 
clayj said:
Hate to break it to you, but Outlook 2003 ALREADY includes DRM for e-mails... of course, there are a number of conditions that must be true in order for it to work. But you can prevent an e-mail from being forwarded or responded to, you can prevent it from being printed, you can even (IIRC) prevent it from being copied into the clipboard. The only thing you can't really prevent is someone writing down what they're reading and composing a new message... but if your IT team is on the ball, they could monitor outgoing e-mails for specific phrases or strings of characters.
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What's even more shocking is that even with the POS that is Lotus Notes, you have been able to do exactly this for a long time :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
consumers and companies aren't as trusting of MS as they once were, so getting some sort of DRM out like this is going to be a bit more difficult, and Open Source may actually end up winning this one, at least i hope so, MS doesn't need another grab at power
 
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