Dropping wifi

[PeterHolbrook]

It is like arguing with a brick wall. As of now he has like 10 computers 3 are running lion and the rest are running SL. Totally not buying it. I also like how he had to go back to Leopard to find examples.

I also did the some of the same tests and found the same issues. Macbook ran fine under SL and Win 7 but chokes on Lion. Must be a hardware problem!

I understand your frustration in being incapable to impeach my position. I've proven irrefutably that Wi-Fi dropouts have been plaguing certain OS X machines since the days of Leopard and there's nothing you can argue against that, because it's a known fact. I understand some of you would like a custom solution to your "Lion" problem, as I would like some custom solution to my "Snow Leopard" problem, but it isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

[roadbloc]

*sigh*….


PeterHolbrook, I have in no way been denying that people have encountered WiFi issues on previous versions of OS X before. I'm not in anyway saying that everyone and every Mac model suffers from the issue. Hell, just to please you I'll say the issue isn't that widespread (even though I know it is).

However you have yet to prove to me that my WiFi dropping is a hardware issue. Snow Leopard, FreeBSD and Windows 7 don't suffer from the issue. Explain to me what sort of hardware issue would cause only OS X Lion to have issues connecting to my WiFi.

I'm waiting.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

*sigh*….


PeterHolbrook, I have in no way been denying that people have encountered WiFi issues on previous versions of OS X before. I'm not in anyway saying that everyone and every Mac model suffers from the issue. Hell, just to please you I'll say the issue isn't that widespread (even though I know it is).

However you have yet to prove to me that my WiFi dropping is a hardware issue. Snow Leopard, FreeBSD and Windows 7 don't suffer from the issue. Explain to me what sort of hardware issue would cause only OS X Lion to have issues connecting to my WiFi.

I'm waiting.

It IS a hardware issue. I have seven Macs in total (some of which run more than one version of OS X). Only one of them has had occasional Wi-Fi problems, both with Leopard and Snow Leopard. I also know that Leopard and Snow Leopard as such are not to blame in and of themselves (and neither is Lion), because I have three machines that run Leopard and none of them have the issue. In addition, my three other machines that run Lion used to run Snow Leopard and they don't have the issue now nor ever did. QED.

 

[wpotere]

So, what's your "expert" advice for all those Leopard Wi-Fi dropouts? "Upgrade" to Panther, OS 9 or MS-DOS?

My expert advice? As has already been outlined here. Try a clean install, if that doesn't work and you have another OS available try that. If the other OS works fine and the previous OS works fine then it is likely a driver issue associated with Lion.

To date on my machine....

1. SL works fine
2. Win 7 works fine
3. Vista works fine
4. Ubuntu works fine

Lion drops Wifi even on a clean profile....

There is no way that this is a hardware issue, it is a programming issue. Why is this so hard for you to understand? As I said with you, reinstall the OS and if you still have problems, then it is likely a hardware issue.

I would also like to know why Apple put in their patch that there were issues with the Wifi if this wasn't the case. Were they lying? Please provide your take on that.

 

[roadbloc]

It IS a hardware issue. I have seven Macs in total (some of which run more than one version of OS X). Only one of them has had occasional Wi-Fi problems, both with Leopard and Snow Leopard. I also know that Leopard and Snow Leopard as such are not to blame in and of themselves (and neither is Lion), because I have three machines that run Leopard and none of them have the issue. In addition, my three other machines that run Lion used to run Snow Leopard and they don't have the issue now nor ever did. QED.

That is not what I call sufficient proof. I'm not on about your Macs, I'm on about mine. I have sufficient proof it is a software issue. The same Mac (2010 MBA 11") has no WiFi issues under Snow Leopard, FreeBSD and Windows 7.

Prove to me my MBA has a hardware issue. Come on.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

That is not what I call sufficient proof. I'm not on about your Macs, I'm on about mine. I have sufficient proof it is a software issue. The same Mac (2010 MBA 11") has no WiFi issues under Snow Leopard, FreeBSD and Windows 7.

Prove to me my MBA has a hardware issue. Come on.

Prove to me my MBP DOESN'T have a hardware issue. Come on!

 

[wpotere]

It IS a hardware issue.

On your machine.... I told you this several posts back. Your logic makes no sense.

 

[roadbloc]

Prove to me my MBP DOESN'T have a hardware issue. Come on!

I'm not on about your machines as I've just stated in my last post. I couldn't care less about your machines. It was you that started going on about how I have a hardware problem and how my WiFi dropping is nothing to do with OS X Lion. Back up your claims.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

I'm not on about your machines as I've just stated in my last post. I couldn't care less about your machines. It was you that started going on about how I have a hardware problem and how my WiFi dropping is nothing to do with OS X Lion. Back up your claims.

You back up yours!

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On your machine.... I told you this several posts back. Your logic makes no sense.

My logic makes no sense? I claimed the Wi-Fi dropouts are a known hardware issue that has been plaguing some specific models of Macs since Leopard and I've proven it! I understand you are frustrated in having your pet theory debunked and being unable to do anything about it. Too bad. Move on.

 

[roadbloc]

You back up yours!

I already have done. Three other OS's work with no WiFi issues. What more need I say? OS X Lion has a WiFi issue. At no point did I say it was impossible for a Mac to have a hardware issue that causes WiFi to drop out.

The only person denying things here was you. You denied OS X Lion had an issue that caused WiFi to drop out. I have not denied in this thread that Macs sometimes come with hardware issues that cause WiFi to drop out. Since I have not denied your problem, I have not really got anything to prove to you.

You have still yet to prove to me why it isn't OS X Lion, but a hardware issue that is causing my WiFi drop outs.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

I already have done. Three other OS's work with no WiFi issues. What more need I say? OS X Lion has a WiFi issue. At no point did I say it was impossible for a Mac to have a hardware issue that causes WiFi to drop out.

No, you have done no such thing. None of my Lion machines has the issue. So, no, it isn't a software issue. In addition, it is a known, documented fact that earlier iterations of OS X have had the issue in certain machines. Once again, you've miserably failed in demonstrating your point, whereas I have proven mine.

 

[wpotere]

I already have done. Three other OS's work with no WiFi issues. What more need I say? OS X Lion has a WiFi issue. At no point did I say it was impossible for a Mac to have a hardware issue that causes WiFi to drop out.

The only person denying things here was you. You denied OS X Lion had an issue that caused WiFi to drop out. I have not denied in this thread that Macs sometimes come with hardware issues that cause WiFi to drop out. Since I have not denied your problem, I have not really got anything to prove to you.

You have still yet to prove to me why it isn't OS X Lion, but a hardware issue that is causing my WiFi drop outs.

You have proven your point. Mr. Holbrook is clearly in denial and simply doesn't understand how to troubleshoot a simple problem.

I think it is time to move on. Even Apple admitted with a patch that they had WiFi issues that could have affected only certain chipsets. I placed another bug report after 10.7.2 as it didn't resolve some of the other WiFi issues I was having.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

You have proven your point. Mr. Holbrook is clearly in denial and simply doesn't understand how to troubleshoot a simple problem.

Nonsense. Mr Holbrook has shown that the claims that Lion has "Wi-Fi" problems are JUST as groundless as similar claims made by users of 10.5.2, 10.5.3, 10.5.4, 10.5.5, etc.

The idiotic claims made by users of these systems is "Hey, it used to work for me before the upgrade, so the upgrade is to blame". Lion claims have no more merit than Leopard claims, which means they have NO MERIT AT ALL.

I think it is time to move on. Even Apple admitted with a patch that they had WiFi issues that could have affected only certain chipsets. I placed another bug report after 10.7.2 as it didn't resolve some of the other WiFi issues I was having.

EXACTLY. As they admitted similar problems since Leopard, such as I claimed. Which, again, proves it isn't Lion-related.

 

[ZipZap]

You have proven your point. Mr. Holbrook is clearly in denial and simply doesn't understand how to troubleshoot a simple problem.

I think it is time to move on. Even Apple admitted with a patch that they had WiFi issues that could have affected only certain chipsets. I placed another bug report after 10.7.2 as it didn't resolve some of the other WiFi issues I was having.

Well the bold statement above would support a hardware issue in which Apple needs to compensate for in software. Since apple often sources chips from different manufacturers, it is conceivable that this is both a hardware and software problem.

In my experience, most issues that dont get resolved after multiple software patches are hardware based.

Its the inconvenience of having to take the computer in that often drives people to cling to the notion its a software issue.

If the next Lion OS release does not solve the WIFI dropping...conclude its a hardware issue and get it serviced.

 

[wpotere]

You don't do tech work for a living do you Mr. Holbrook?

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Well the bold statement above would support a hardware issue in which Apple needs to compensate for in software. Since apple often sources chips from different manufacturers, it is conceivable that this is both a hardware and software problem.

In my experience, most issues that dont get resolved after multiple software patches are hardware based.

If I fubar a driver for a chipset there is nothing wrong with the hardware, just my code. So no, it won't be both. If the OS was perfect out of the box we wouldn't be a 10.7.2.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

What are you talking about?

For claiming to have a point you clearly aren't making it at this point. He never said anything about 10.5.2, you did.

Sorry, you seem to be badly confused. Users not any less clever than you (I know, I know, most of the Earth's population qualifies for that) CLAIMED that 10.5.2, etc. brought them countless Wi-Fi problems. As you know, this is utter idiocy. Your version of it takes this idiocy to Lion, but we all know those who propagate such groundless notions are idiots. So, don't worry too much. We know where you are coming from.

 

[wpotere]

Sorry, you seem to be badly confused. Users not any less clever than you (I know, I know, most of the Earth's population qualifies for that) CLAIMED that 10.5.2, etc. brought them countless Wi-Fi problems. As you know, this is utter idiocy. Your version of it takes this idiocy to Lion, but we all know those who propagate such groundless notions are idiots. So, don't worry too much. We know where you are coming from.

Dude, get your patches and OS straight. 10.5.2 is Leopard! We are talking about LION (10.7.2) and it didn't bring WiFi problems, they were never fixed from 10.7.0 the initial release of Lion which was openly admitted by Apple as being a problem as their patch release stated so.

What more evidence do you want? Shall we bring Mr. Cook down here to speak directly to you?

I'm done with you as clearly you are trolling at this point. Have a nice day and thank you for keeping me in business.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

Dude, get your patches and OS straight. 10.5.2 is Leopard! We are talking about LION (10.7.2)

I got them VERY straight, dude. Back in Leopard days, some users CLAIMED the different updates created a lot of Wi-Fi issues for them. Were they right? No. Now in Lion days several users CLAIM Lion has created a lot of Wi-Fi issues for them. Are they right? Of course not! What makes them any more credible than their "Leopard cousins"? Nothing at all. So, once again, you have no credibility, no claim. Nothing at all.

 

[wpotere]

I got them VERY straight, dude. Back in Leopard days, some users CLAIMED the different updates created a lot of Wi-Fi issues for them. Were they right? No. Now in Lion days several users CLAIM Lion has created a lot of Wi-Fi issues for them. Are they right? Of course not! What makes them any more credible than their "Leopard cousins"? Nothing at all. So, once again, you have no credibility, no claim. Nothing at all.

Go ahead and post one more time so that you can say you win. Clearly you have to have the last say even though your posts contradict each other.

And again, thanks for making me laugh.

 

[PeterHolbrook]

Go ahead and post one more time so that you can say you win. Clearly you have to have the last say even though your posts contradict each other.

And again, thanks for making me laugh.

Oh! So you want to have the last say so that someone might imagine you have won! You have no chance and no credibility. The moment I posted my Lion-incapable MBP had Wi-Fi problems you lost! Too bad for you.

 

[roadbloc]

Glad this thread got cleaned up.

 

[kiwitex]

Problems with wifi

I have a relatively new MBP (mid 2010) and the problem with dropping wifi has been constant, first with Snow Leopard and now with Lion.
I have spoken with the Apple Support and after trying all sorts of things a supervisor from Apple Asia told me that they have had lots of similar complaints, that they don't think that the problem was with hardware and that they are trying to solve it.
I don't know enough about computers to argue back and forth but I guess that if the Apple people told me that they must know the problem is real.
My MBP continues to drop the wifi, of course, and it is not a problem with the router as my iPhone stays on it consistently.

 

[apple_iBoy]

Some of the attitudes in here are really ridiculous. Do you guys need to get more hugs or something? Dismount high horses, please.

We have a Mac Pro (2006), MacBook Pro (2009) and MacBook Air (2011). Every one of them has issues connecting to WiFi (both our Airport Extreme at home and other places like work too).

Common scenario -- computer wakes from sleep, does not automatically connect to a network, gives an error message when a network is manually selected, and then connects properly upon the second try.

This pattern happens almost all the time (I'm actually startled when things work as they're supposed to). I've gone through these motions hundreds of times now, and it all started when we upgraded to Lion.

Coincidently, over Thanksgiving I gave my old 15" MacBook Pro to a family member. It had exhibited the same behavior in Lion as all the rest. I wiped the drive and installed Snow Leopard before handing it off.

 

[gboswellsac]

This is maybe related to the dropping of wifi or not. I just bought a MBP i5 and moved the disk to my old MBP machine running Snow Leopard. This machine never had problems with network connecting and doesn't drop wifi, but since Lion has been it's OS it takes way longer to connect whether wifi or RJ45. Maybe a problem with my swapping harddrives but when the Lion HD is in the new box (where it was installed originally) , it takes 2 - 5 times longer to connect to any network than my old MBP with Snow Leopard does , even when just closing and raising the lid. Is there some security routines that Lion is running that Snow Leopard did not have? BTW the 2 -5 times runs across all three MBPs I have. I'm thinking of going back to Snow Leopard on my carry with me MBP where quick connecting is a benefit. Before I do this any information to sway me to keep Lion.