iPhone X Dual Camera

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  1. Dodgeman macrumors 65816

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    Anyone not happy with the actual quality of the dual camera set up on the X and the 8 plus?

    (Low light isn't great either.)
     
  2. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I’m much happier with ProCamera app with HDR and LowLight Plus additions.
     
  3. Dodgeman thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Cost on that app?
     
  4. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    You’ll spend around 10 for the app, hdr, and lowlight. It’s well worth it for the hdr.
     
  5. JPack macrumors 68040

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    The iPhone has one of the smallest sensors on the market compared to Samsung and Huawei. The photos are decent but no longer best in class anymore like during iPhone 5 and 6.
     
  6. cynics macrumors G4

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    Generically saying a larger sensor is better is like saying more megapixel is better. While both are true, its only true in a certain context. The S9 has a variable aperture, using the same sensor in the iPhone would likely introduce unnecessary noise with limited benefits if any.

    Most of the differences in comparison photos of the iPhone and S9 are from post processing. I would have honestly thought the S9 would have a bigger lead but its hit more miss. Some shots are objectively better but the majority are subjective, vivid colors (s9) vs natural (iPhone).

    While the iPhone is behind a couple steps in photo quality in specific aspects, its light years ahead in high efficiency encoding and decoding. 4k 60fps HEVC was something only 3000-5000 dollar cameras could do a month prior (and during) the iPhones launch. Being able to re encode to h264 on the fly for compatibility? Forget about it. While not as important for photos, being able to handle 4k so effortlessly makes it useable, and once edited and output at 1080p you end up with a lot more detail and better coolers. A lot of people may not find that important or useful but if you edit video this can be just as important as initial quality (within reason).
     
  7. ToddH macrumors 65816

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    One of the best apps I’ve used other than ProCamera is Nightcap. This app allows long exposures night and day and because it stacks multiple shots, there is no noise or artifacts in the final image. You’ll need one of those mini tripods and iPhone brackets to hold the iPhone while taking long exposures but the effects are awesome. Now the app also allows for regular photography as well. It even works for shooting the stars at night! So if you want to take the time for a 10 second shot during the day for crisp clean noise free images, this app does it all. Let your creativity flow.
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  8. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    Todd, how does Nightcap compare to ProCamera for handheld lowlight shots?
     
  9. ToddH macrumors 65816

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    If you have ProCamera, then you know lowlight + mode takes up to 60 photos and stacks the quickly but you have to hold still as the photos are taken, then they are aligned and stacked and cropped some. For Nightcap, I Always use one of those mini monfrotto tripods and the MeFoto iPhone holder and set it on something like a table or whatever you can find and take a 30 second exposure. From there the image can be processed to bring out shadows etc without seeing any noise or grain.

    However for handheld shots, ProCamera may work best for your needs. I just prefer a tripod (large or small) for my low light shots. This is a shot of Downtown Austin with ProCamera and a tripod using lowlight plus mode. I haven’t done it with Nightcap yet. But nightcap will allow for really long exposures especially if you are capturing moving water as in a waterfall to get that silky look. Buy both, they will be of good use . Capturing star trails around buildings or trees is cool!
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  10. se1000 macrumors 6502

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    Objective facts:

    The S9 sensor is larger and has a larger aperture compared to the iPhone X/8 main camera.

    The variable aperture allows both the low light benefits of a very larger aperture, while being able to stop down for sharpness.

    S9 also does 4k 60fps using HEVC
     
  11. fred98tj macrumors 6502

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    Objective facts:

    F1.5 vs f1.8 around 1/3 of a stop which, in real life use, is pretty insignificant. Also one needs to consider the lens. Both phones are wide angle and even $1500.00 and higher cost wide prime lenses are soft wide open. The photos I’ve seen in the S9+ and S9 forums are singularly unimpressive. The current iPhones appear to have superb lenses that are sharp corner to corner and no real signs of any CA.

    Regarding the variable aperture, “stepping down” to 2.5 is nothing more than marketing. If you’re going to step down “for sharpness” then give us something to really use like 5.6 or 8, which is where most lenses are best.

    Regarding the 4K recording (60fps, HEVC), the OP of your quoted post was very clear about at the time the iPhone was released. We know Samsung does it now, however appears to have a recording time limit on it.
     
  12. Dodgeman thread starter macrumors 65816

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    That top photo is great! How was that achieved?
     
  13. se1000 macrumors 6502

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    You just going to leave out the sensor size differential?
     
  14. cynics macrumors G4

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    Those are the facts. But again without premise they are just facts. A larger sensor without supporting hardware isn’t a positive attribute just like more megapixels wasn’t.

    If you faulted the iPhone for not have better aperture control I can’t deny that.

    And thank you, I was unaware the S9 supported HEVC recording now. 5 minute limitation is curious. Without using it I wouldn’t know but I’d imagine heat related from the SoC or battery drain. Impressive it can do it at all though, desktops will struggle without a native codec.
     
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    It's not just the phone its the person taking it, there was a guy on here MRU who had every flagship phone that came out and his photos were amazing on all of them.

    If you want descent photos get a real camera, so glad i had a SLR for all my kids photos when they were young, late teens now.
     
  16. se1000 macrumors 6502

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    iPhone has no aperture control.

    Assuming the underlying technology is the same, which in this case it is, a larger sensor will always net more light, it's just a function of physics. It's not like megapixels where more doesn't always translate to sharper pixels.
     
  17. ToddH macrumors 65816

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    Thanks... I used the app Nightcap (formerly Nightcap Pro) for this image. I set the iPhone on one of those mini Monfrotto tripod, any tripod will do, and the iPhone was held in the MeFoto clamp. This was taken a few years ago with the 6 plus I think. In the app, set the exposure to long exposure. This works in any light without actually over exposing. Anything moving during the exposure will be blurred. I think the exposure time was about 5 minutes. Pretty cool, I need to do another shot similar to this.
     
  18. Shanghaichica macrumors G3

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    Yes I am. I had the 7 plus before and find that that camera has been significantly upgraded in the X.

    As for low light most pics taken on smart phones are not great in low light and that includes the S9 and the pixel 2.
     
  19. fred98tj macrumors 6502

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    Bleeaahhhhhhh. -p

    Damn, curse that tiny sensor.
     
  20. fred98tj macrumors 6502

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    All of these are large crops from the originals. Just to show how much I curse this “tiny sensor”. -p
     
  21. fred98tj macrumors 6502

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    For HDR, Lightroom Mobile (free) is absolutely fantastic and it gives you raw which you can immediately pp or save to pp later. It’s absolutely superb for HDR.
     
  22. darngooddesign, May 13, 2018
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    I have both and ProCamera also gives you raw and the ability to save to pp later. ProCamera also gives you multiple levels of HDR which you can choose at the time of shooting, or later if you save to its Lightbox instead of the camera roll. It also lets you save your files in HEIC and TIF. ProCamera is better with extreme differences in dynamic range; not to mention LowLight Plus is also better than what LightRoom can do. LR is free and ProCamera HDR is free to try so everyone can decide for themselves.

    Regardless, both are much better than Apple's HDR.
     
  23. se1000 macrumors 6502

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    Look, I'm not at all saying the camera is bad, or that you can't take wonderful pictures with the iPhone camera. You can. But on the other hand, you can't also discount the competition and the advantages they have. If the situation were opposite, everyone here would be trumpeting on how these same metrics would make the iPhone camera better.
     

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