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no way... i hate to be negative though

i am typing to you from a new 15 inch AlBook, and its nice and hot on the lap, and the battery gets sucked pretty fast... i could only imagine a dual processor pbook... it'd be nice to have, but my lap would be burnt, and it would have no battery life im afraid.. i can't even get through a whole movie on this computer with out it's battery going out. and thats on dvd playback battery settings!
 
Dual G4 Laptop - hmmm OK, it's possible - but tell me how long will the batts last?? It's only bout 4h on the single one, so if we get 2h u can be lucky, and for what would I need a laptop with 2h stand-by??? So I don't think there is any reason to put duals into laptops...that's what desktops are for.
 
Originally posted by okatu
Dual G4 Laptop - hmmm OK, it's possible - but tell me how long will the batts last?? It's only bout 4h on the single one, so if we get 2h u can be lucky, and for what would I need a laptop with 2h stand-by??? So I don't think there is any reason to put duals into laptops...that's what desktops are for.

Exactly. As I said in my earlier post, some people need to stop and think "why", and "do I actually need a DP laptop?" before wanting one "just because". The current laptops are damn good machines and I think there are some people who need to sit back and think if this is a product they actually require. And if they do, then maybe they need to settle for a desktop and forego the portability! I think a quad-processor G5 PM would be awesome too, but would I ever need it? No.

DP laptops won't happen - it doesn't make sense to re-engineer the PowerBooks to accommodate this when the Apple engineers are already busy re-engineering the PB for the G5, which will be out around summer, I'm predicting.
 
Originally posted by okatu
Dual G4 Laptop - hmmm OK, it's possible - but tell me how long will the batts last?? It's only bout 4h on the single one, so if we get 2h u can be lucky, and for what would I need a laptop with 2h stand-by??? So I don't think there is any reason to put duals into laptops...that's what desktops are for.
You guys are totally missing the point. Having dual processors give you the flexibility to use only one processor when using the battery and both processors when using AC power. Battery usage doesn't become any more of an issue than when you have a single processor with power management. And I don't understand why people are arguing that you don't 'need' dual processors. If that's a reasonable solution to adding more power, why the heck not? PowerBooks are supposed to be desktop replacements, not just complements. Right now, there is a serious performance gap between laptops and desktops. If Apple can bridge this gap with dual processors, why not?
 
themadchemist said:
WHO said that? It takes a lot to build an OS to run on an entirely different platform like that. It's not just like you recompile for x86 and viola! there it goes.

Anyway, it would be ridiculous on Apple's part to put an Intel or an AMD processor in its computers, from a marketing perspective. Apple has spend a great deal of time and money stating that the PowerPC architecture is inherently better than the x86 architecture (this is an argument that I would agree with, from various reading I've done about the two architectures). Apple's statement is one that has been gaining momentum with the great performance of the G5. To switch to an x86 for just the laptop line would be to indirectly state a preference of Intel/AMD over IBM processors. That would be a horrific move!

It's probably also not a good idea to diversify your line SO MUCH as to have different companies designing processors for your different lines.

Plus, Intel sucks. AMD's good, but in the long term, I'm a PPC fan, just based on its philosophy for architecture: Simplicity & efficiency.
PowerPC architecture is better huh? Then why do the pm processors run faster and cooler? The pm chip is arguably the best laptop chip on the face of the planet right now, and why is that you ask? Ill tell you why, because i can go to the store and buy one in a laptop right now!!!! Jeez so apple has a better chip huh? Is that NOW or in another 6 months? And another 6 months, and another and another, well you get the point. :rolleyes:
 
CaptainCaveMann said:
PowerPC architecture is better huh? Then why do the pm processors run faster and cooler? The pm chip is arguably the best laptop chip on the face of the planet right now, and why is that you ask? Ill tell you why, because i can go to the store and buy one in a laptop right now!!!! Jeez so apple has a better chip huh? Is that NOW or in another 6 months? And another 6 months, and another and another, well you get the point. :rolleyes:

Our friend that you were directing this comment toward stated his preference for the architecture of the chip. I agree with him, IBM's chips are more well-designed than Intel's. Your point is valid, that you can go buy a laptop with a PM now, but in reality it will perform no better than a G4 at roughly 5/8's speed. As far as cooler.. all i have to say is Phonebook VS. Magazine.
 
cyanide said:
Our friend that you were directing this comment toward stated his preference for the architecture of the chip. I agree with him, IBM's chips are more well-designed than Intel's. Your point is valid, that you can go buy a laptop with a PM now, but in reality it will perform no better than a G4 at roughly 5/8's speed. As far as cooler.. all i have to say is Phonebook VS. Magazine.
Who cares how "well" ibm designs their chips.What matters is they cant or they are not producing cooler faster chips in the NOW. Thanks for your comment though "Newbie". No offense
 
If they manage to put a dual G4 in the current case well then why not a G5 :confused: Dual G4 would be very nice to have but not for a single dime more than the current once :mad:
 
DrGruv1 said:
dug up an old thread...

Maybe this could happen?

Dual G4 Powerbook? :cool:

Very doubtful. If anything, we'd see a dual-core G4 PowerBook, but I think it is highly doubtful that we'd ever see a dual G4 PowerBook. :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
Very doubtful. If anything, we'd see a dual-core G4 PowerBook, but I think it is highly doubtful that we'd ever see a dual G4 PowerBook. :cool:

OK that sound more belivable

Will a dual core G4 have the same performance as a dual G4 :confused:
It will be very nice :D
 
Platform said:
OK that sound more belivable

Will a dual core G4 have the same performance as a dual G4 :confused:
It will be very nice :D

On a very high level, yes, it is basically 2 chips in one. Just do a search for dual-core in the Forums and you'll find many discussions on the subject, many of which are quite technical if you're wanting to know more.
 
~Shard~ said:
On a very high level, yes, it is basically 2 chips in one. Just do a search for dual-core in the Forums and you'll find many discussions on the subject, many of which are quite technical if you're wanting to know more.

thank you ;)
 
DrGruv1 said:
two 7447a at 1.67ghz
two hard drives?
too much money :D

seriously though, not sure they would want to redesign the mother board for two chips - not with the g5 coming

I suppose that a lot will depend on how long it will be for the G5 PowerBook to arrive. Apple definitely needs to update the PowerBook. Increase speed yes. A dual core would provide marketing value.
 
DrGruv1 said:
seriously though, not sure they would want to redsign the mother board for two chips - not with the g5 coming

Except reality is G5 PB whiners need to get a grip, there may never be a G5 in a Powerbook. It's like Apple people who want this G5 Powerbook are as gullible as peecee types who think that getting the fast P4 makes them a geek god... reality is, it doesn't work that way.

IBM is developing new G4 chips that can have dual core, very high busses, reaching upwards to 3 GHz, and most importantly, can run 64 and 32 bit. Ooops, actually MOST importantly, these chips take up a LOT less power and use a lot less heat than the G5. I'm guessing from the clueless posts though Apple could release a G4 2.8 GHz Powerbookt at MWSF that can run 64/32 and get eight hours battery life and I'd still have to hear all these G5 Powerbook whiners who will make comments about how they're STILL going to wait for the G5, programmed to think it's all about the G and the 5.

G5 is not necessarily the way to go for portables, the way to go is simply faster processors, better bus speeds, ability to scale 64/32 bit, and less heat. How Apple does it or what moniker they stick on it is irrelevant... I wish somehow you people would wake up and realize this.
 
freescale (make G4s) are developing uprated G4s that drop straight into existing designs. Also their dual core G4 have a 'system on a chip' so the design for the rest on the computer is simpler - they also have a 667Mhz bus, as opposed to the current 167Mhz.

In addition they have 64bit stuff in the pipeline. IBM seem to concentrate on server style processors and Freescale on more portable stuff, both use PowerPC technology though.
 
this could happen, but personally i think it is totally impractical.
1) battery life-will be utterly poor unless the thing carries car battery
2)why put dual processors in, when u can just bump the speed up on the cheap and then bring out g5 powerbooks
3)seriously how much work can you get done on the move on a laptop, very little, untill the battery goes out.you might aswell sit at a powermac g5 and get it done just as quick.

this is probably just a pre-mswf wild rumourto get evry1s hopes up.
 
I haven't posted in a while, nor have I read all of this thread, but the first few pages were more than enough to give me material to slam down a couple of lines with.

First of all, the 970FX is already being fabbed at 90nm - a previous poster seemed to think otherwise - and that doesn't exactly help the heat dissipation characteristics. You see, when a chip is shrunk in overall surface area, you're trying to edge out the excess thermal energy from a smaller space. True, the overall amount is lower, but that doesn't mean anything if there's a worse ratio of heat to surface. I've done the math before, but the 7447A (the G4 that's currently in PowerBooks) is a far more efficient design than the current 970 line. When you add to that the fact that Freescale's MPC7448 chip is going to drop roughly a third to a half of the existing heat (from 12-16 watts to a mere 10) while clocking up to 1.7-1.8ghz, raising the bus to 200mhz, and working with existing pin-outs... Is it really that hard to realize why the 970 is looking less and less likely?

I would be deeply surprised to see the 970 in any incarnation of the PowerBook before WWDC, and that's an extreme outside chance. For that matter, I would be disappointed to see the 970 in a PowerBook at alll. There are better options out there and people are seemingly forgetting that the big push this year is for dual-core designs that will be pushing multithreading and simultaneous multitasking in the mobile sphere. Let's not forget that the Dothan Pentium-M's replacement is due to show up as a dual-core under the Merom codename sometime this year. It's not for nothing that Intel trashed Tejas and the Prescott 4ghz+ designs and it looks as if all of the big players are looking towards paralellization as the new savior. Even IBM has plans for the 970MP sometime in the near future, though there's no chance in hell that will be a mobile processor.

Our best hope is still Freescalle and the MPC8641, whether in dual or single core, due to the SoC integration of many of the components and the massive efficiency when compared to the previous 'Books. Even with a single core, you'd be running a 1.8-2.0ghz core with a 1MB L2 cache, on-die 667mhz DDR2 controller (faster and cooler than PC3200 SO-DIMMs, incidentally), integrated SATA, SATA2, and PCI-E 24 lane controllers on the chip, four gigabit MAC controllers with hardware encryption, and a pair of 128-bit dual precision vector units that make IBM's implementation of AltiVec look like a pale, weak joke. The dual-core package, at 1.8ghz, runs a relatively svelte 22 watts (the same as a previous generation TiBook or a Pentium M 1.6ghz), and has advanced cache integrity features that let the processors share their prefetching at the L1 point.

So, why should we want the G5, again? Because the number is higher?

Feh.
 
Platform said:
Will a dual core G4 have the same performance as a dual G4 :confused:
It will be very nice :D

Unless there's something deeply flawed in the way they design or manufacture, a dual-core should beat the living hell out of a dual-processor setup. This is for several reasons, but the most important are latency, system overhead, and other internal slowdowns. To put it simply, dual-core chips make it so that the computer has less distance to transmit information across and allow for faster interaction of the processors and their support systems.

There's also the small matter of the core redesign and enhancements, similar to the way that Intel made a VERY nice chip out of their Pentium 3 when the Pentium-M was brought up. The MPC8641 is going to be better than a G4, even at the same clockspeed, and it's also going to be faster and not have the bus bottleneck.
 
~Shard~ said:
Thanks for your insight thatwendigo - and good to see you on the forums again, it has been a while, old friend!

Between the incessant yammering and the roughness of working in wholesalle right before the holidays, I just didn't have the heart for it like I used to. Then I went and met Miss Right and, well... My time isn't as free as it once was. :D
 
thatwendigo said:
Between the incessant yammering and the roughness of working in wholesalle right before the holidays, I just didn't have the heart for it like I used to. Then I went and met Miss Right and, well... My time isn't as free as it once was. :D

Well then, congratulations are in order! Work has kept me pretty busy as well.

Anywho, I guess we should continue our little discussion in the form of PMs instead of in this thread, although this is kinda fun too - it's always fun to hijack a thread... ;) :cool:
 
thatwendigo said:
I haven't posted in a while, nor have I read all of this thread, but the first few pages were more than enough to give me material to slam down a couple of lines with.

What took you so long ;). Oh yes, sorry, Miss Right came along (best of luck !).

Good to see you posting again, so maybe some of the "negative" posters out there can finally get a grip and see through the G5-myth.
 
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