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As I know all superdrives read -format, and only recent superdrives read also +format.

The use of +format can introduce a backward compatibility problem. I don't see real reason to use it, benchmarks and stats tends to overstimate any differences that in real use you note with difficulty.

If you feel good with -format keep using it.
 
Here is the main reason I think DVD+RW is a good idea:

"Lossless-linking technology enables you to perform basic editing tasks right on the disc.

No need to reload all your DVD contents back to your PC to make minor changes

No need to re-burn an entire DVD after making small edits"

That was taken from http://www.dvdrw.com/customerbenefits.html

Basically stating, you don't have to erase and reburn the disk when you want to add something to it. Just add it dynamically. Sounds good to me, expecially for backup purposes!

Is it just me or is this a HUGE difference?!
 
Re: Remember: Read and Write are 2 different things!

Originally posted by bikertwin
Keep in mind that all current Macs can *READ* DVD+R and DVD+RW in addition to DVD-R and DVD-RW.

It's not like Beta vs. VHS tapes. Those were totally incompatible. + vs. - is just a WRITE compatibility difference.

You can't use a Pioneer - drive to *WRITE* to a + disc, but you can certainly *READ* it.

More (somewhat biased) information on + drives is at http://www.dvdplusrw.org

But I can't read DVD+RW on my combo drive in a newish dual 867 :rolleyes: .

is it only 'superdrives' that'll read DVD+RW?
 
I, like many of you, am waiting on the Dual 1.42 - do you think that it will have the Sony drive in? Is there a pattern emerging?
 
Re: "+" Advantages: Speed & Reliability

Originally posted by bikertwin
The "+" camp has a number of advantages:

* As someone else mentioned, Mt. Ranier support

* Erasing speed:
* Writing Speed:
* Reliability:
* Compatibility:

And don't forget another big technical advantage the + camp has over the - camp: VBR recording!

I've noticed the price parity in the stores for media seems to be now heading in favour of the + camp, as well (though you have to look hard to notice that). The speed advantage of - over + is going to be going away _very_ soon with the next generation of drives, as well, so that's a non-issue.

Yeah, + has it all over -. Just look at the names. :)
 
Re: Re: "+" Advantages: Speed & Reliability

Originally posted by tumbleweed
And don't forget another big technical advantage the + camp has over the - camp: VBR recording!
Um, no.

VBR has nothing to do with the Media any more than a MSDOS formatted floppy has over an HFS formatted one. (or a Digital 8 tape has over MiniDV for that matter <--- just had to throw that in to confuse the matter! :D )

VBR is part of the MPEG-2 encoding process. (not that MPEG-2 and VBR are tied together exclusively either)
 
Re: Re: "+" Advantages: Speed & Reliability

Originally posted by tumbleweed
The speed advantage of - over + is going to be going away _very_ soon with the next generation of drives, as well, so that's a non-issue.

According to HP, the speed advantage is already gone. Their DVD300i drive claims to be 4X.
 
it's true-i have a NEC ND-1100A DVD+RW in my Dell and it (claims to) burn at 4x. If anyone could fing the specs for that drive, that'd be great, 'cause it also claims to burn DVD-R/RW
 
Re: "+" Advantages: Speed & Reliability

Originally posted by bikertwin
The "+" camp has a number of advantages:

* As someone else mentioned, Mt. Ranier support

* Erasing speed: Erasing a DVD-RW takes minutes while a DVD+RW takes seconds

* Writing Speed: The + camp has always been ahead of the - camp. When DVD+RW came out in Oct 2001, it was writing at 2.4x while DVD-RW was writing at 1x. DVD-RW only recently got boosted to 2x. DVD+R started at 2.4x, and both -R and +R are now at 4x. Oh, and + drives write CD-R and CD-RW faster than - drives.

* Reliability: Even though you can write to DVD-R at speeds greater than 1x, for *serious* applications it is recommended that you only write at 1x because of all the write errors/corrections at 2x and higher. Check out the DVD Studio Pro forum on Apple's Discussions page for evidence of this. There is *no problem* writing to 2.4x or 4x on DVD+R or DVD+RW.

* Compatibility: One area that didn't quite live up to the + hype was compatibility. The + group promised much higher compatibility with DVD players before their products shipped. After they shipped and comparisons were done, +R was shown to be about as compatible as -R, and +RW was shown to be about as compatible as -RW, so no biggie here. However, Trai Forrester (a somewhat eccentric but very smart DVD expert) has recently stated that at "reasonable" data rates (6 Mbps or less), + is much more compatible than - ; it's only when you get to marginal data rates (near the max of 9.8 Mbps) that the compatibility of + goes down to near that of - .

But overall I was much happier with my PC's + writer than I am with my Mac's - writer. If Apple supported both + and - I would be much happier. And that way, you wouldn't have to worry who won the wars because your Mac could do both.

Mt. Rainer doesn't do much until we get OS's that support it. + does have built in error correction, but I haven't seen wide spread reports that faster than 1x burning causes problems for -R. Maybe it's a DVD SP + Superdrive centric problem? + and - have similar compatibility on players made in the past year 1-2 years but the older the player the less likely + will work on it.


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