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psingh01

macrumors 68000
Apr 19, 2004
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The only reason I buy the MBP is for the video card. If it ever gets to the point where the MBP and the MBA have similar 3D performance (assuming the MBP isn't nerfed) then I'll be switching.
 

ictiosapiens

macrumors regular
May 9, 2006
209
4
The only reason I buy the MBP is for the video card. If it ever gets to the point where the MBP and the MBA have similar 3D performance (assuming the MBP isn't nerfed) then I'll be switching.

That seems to be Apple's logic at the moment. The only mac that doesn't make any sense as it stands, is the 13' Macbook Pro.
 

MacSince1990

macrumors 65816
Oct 6, 2009
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Not entirely surprising, considering how aggressive the Turbo Boost is.

Everyone should keep in mind that Ivy Bridge is next year. This is when we should see a quad-core MacBook Air (and Mac Mini), and 8-core iMacs. Additionally, there will also be the move to 22nm fabrication processes in addition to 3D transistors, which should be comparable to a fabrication shrink itself.

If you think this year was a big boost, wait until you see what Intel has in store for next year.

Uh. We might... MIGHT see hexacore iMacs... MAYBE. But 8? Not going to happen. And I doubt we'll see quad-core MacBook Airs within the next two years either. Maybe by 2014.

Btw, Ivy Bridge is really only supposed to be ~20% speed increase.
 

kevink2

macrumors 68000
Nov 2, 2008
1,842
294
Same issues here. I need the RAM to run multiple VM's smoothly. Even if these little MBA's beat my 2010 MBP it still can't do everything I need it to with 4GB RAM. Its a shame, I really love the form factor and weight because I typically only use the 15" MBP at home with a 22" monitor. The 15" to 13" screen change wouldn't bother me a bit.

The new Mac Minis look like great machines. Don't really need one until my current one decides to die. Which I hope isn't soon.

I've bought 3 Macs for my own use (of which I still use 2).
G4 Mac Mini just to try it out. Before the Intel announcement. Just to see whether I could handle the whole Mac experience. Since handed off to extended family member.
2008 Mac Pro. Wanted to upgrade my aging desktop, and I had a relatively recent Windows laptop anyway. But had to go the Mac Pro route because the Intel iMacs had a 4GB max Ram limitation.
The MBP when I finally got tired of my then 4 year old Windows laptop. But since I use Windows in VMWare to run mainly Quicken, I needed additional RAM.
 

jouster

macrumors 65816
Jan 21, 2002
1,469
622
Connecticut
It's staggering how many people place so much importance on the OS. Who cares what OS it runs, it's the tasks it does that are important. What is it you want your computer do to ?

Run the software I've already purchased.

Uh. We might... MIGHT see hexacore iMacs... MAYBE. But 8? Not going to happen. And I doubt we'll see quad-core MacBook Airs within the next two years either. Maybe by 2014.

Btw, Ivy Bridge is really only supposed to be ~20% speed increase.

20% is a lot, and for most it would be more. Few will upgrade from SB to IB; most will be upgrading older systems. And I certainly think we'll see 6 and 8 core iMacs.
 

robby818

macrumors 6502a
May 2, 2007
587
6
I really only use my 11" MBA for web browsing. I have a desktop PC as my workhorse.

Still, seeing these improvements makes me very jealous.

Same here, but the speed improvements are noticeable even in doing mundane things like scrolling web pages. I just played with the new 11" at the Pasadena store. This is such a big jump in performance that I am replacing my 2010 13" MBA. I probably won't replace the 11" that I only use for traveling but it is tempting.
 

pofv

macrumors newbie
Jul 21, 2011
13
1
I find it absolutely amazing that these slim notebooks are now benchmarking faster than my Mac Pro from 2006! I thought the fact that I have no desire to upgrade my Mac Pro anytime soon is amazing in itself!
 

dbam987

macrumors regular
Aug 27, 2007
210
0
This is impressive, but its the SSD drive that probably tipped the scales heavily in the MBA scores. Now there's SATA3, and SSD drives are much more speedy than they were just a year ago (also slightly cheaper).

While I am impressed by the MBA, and would have happily picked one up right this instant, my MBP13 still has lots of life left in it since it's now got 8GB memory and an SSD + HD drive inside. Core 2 Duo chips are still very good for everyday use, even programming and light to medium photo rendering.

I wonder if anyone has tried running Crysis on the new MBA yet (via Boot Camp). :p
 

holmesf

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2001
528
25
This is impressive, but its the SSD drive that probably tipped the scales heavily in the MBA scores.

Again, Geekbench does not in any way use or measure hard drive speed. It's only measuring CPU and memory speed.
 

holmesf

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2001
528
25
Not disputing what you are saying, but I don't understand how that would negatively impact a laptop with SSD-based storage.

It doesn't. Original poster claimed that the MBA's SSD would give it an advantage in Geekbench scores. That's the point I was disputing.
 

APPLENEWBIE

macrumors 6502a
May 8, 2006
707
14
The high desert, USA
Hahahaha. Give the MBP a decent SSD, then we'll see what's faster.

Anyways, I'm mostly curious as to the IGP's performance.

I have such a beastie. 13", 2.3 quad core mbp, 128 ssd, 8 gb ram. Boots 25 programs at startup in 18 seconds. Rips DVDs on hand break 3 x faster than my 3 year old iMac. Program start in one bounce.
 

holmesf

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2001
528
25
I have such a beastie. 13", 2.3 quad core mbp, 128 ssd, 8 gb ram. Boots 25 programs at startup in 18 seconds. Rips DVDs on hand break 3 x faster than my 3 year old iMac. Program start in one bounce.

I hate to tell you this, dude, but there is no 13" quad core mac book pro. If you see 4 CPUs in activity monitor, it's because of Hyperthreading, not because you actually have 4 CPU cores. Or perhaps you meant that you have the 15" or 17" model.
 

John.B

macrumors 601
Jan 15, 2008
4,193
705
Holocene Epoch
This caught my eye as well which should be some good trolling fodder...

"Intel's HD Graphics 3000 is also built into the chip. Nvidia's graphics chipset is no more. But there is no performance hit to speak of."
Yeah, I saw the same thing. You'll notice they have tests for Multimedia Multitasking, Photoshop CS3, and iTunes encoding, but not 3D gaming.

Not that it personally matters to me as we have gaming consoles for that sort of thing, but clearly CNET has chosen to overlook the big weak point of the HD 3000.

I'm still trying to find reliable benchmarks comparing the 13" MBA 1.7GHz i5 to the 1.8GHz i7...
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Run the software I've already purchased.

Then you should stick with what you have. I have tons of old DOS software laying around that is about worthless nowadays on modern OSes. ;)

There is never a guarantee moving forward that purchasing a new computer won't involve replacing software. Heck, any Mac software pre-dating 2005 is worthless on a newly purchased Macs as of... 2 days ago.

Again guys : an OS is not what you're buying. A computer to execute tasks is what it is. That you're "vendor locked-in" to a particular OS is a fault of the software vendor you're using for not providing multi-platform versions of their software. Ideally, when purchasing software, you want to steer clear of vendor lock-in as much as possible, to make migrating your computer/OS platform easiest as possible if an opportunity arises to save costs.

But that's just the IT person in me speaking, what the heck do I know about these gadgets and thingies ? ;)
 

peterdevries

macrumors 68040
Feb 22, 2008
3,146
1,135
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
My late-2010 MBA 13 is all of a sudden feeling quite sluggish. And the keyboard is decidedly unlit. Oh, what to do...

;)

I will sell my late 2010 13" MBA today and I will get the new version. The speed is not as much important to me as Thunderbolt. I would love to hook up one of these new cinema screens to my MBA at home...
 
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John.B

macrumors 601
Jan 15, 2008
4,193
705
Holocene Epoch
I will sell my late 2010 13" MBA today and I will get the new version. The speed is not as much important to me as Thunderbolt. I would love to hook up one of these new cinema screens to my MBA at home...
To me, it's not just the new cinema display, but that the cinema display has a FireWire hub (via the Thunderbolt port) built into it.

I just waiting for Macworld to do one of their signature Lab Reports on the different processors in the new MBAs to help me decide between the i5 and i7 processors.
 
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