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You are so right. I have never gotten a bad deal on eBay but, I don't buy all that much on there. I am currently waiting on another G4 iMac 1.25 Ghz from usedmac.com. I have never bought from them but, hoping it's going to be good. I called about buying it and asked if they put new displays in them because many are real dim. The guy said you can't get a new display for it (17 inch G4 iMac). I don't think that's true.

Unfortunately, it is more or less true. iMac / PowerBook displays of that era use CCFL backlight and those CCFL tubes fade away with time. They will be not as bright as when they were new and colors also will shift to yelow-ish end. Blue phosphor. is the first that burns out. (Been there, done that, tested/tried to calibrate well over 20 displays of that kind and age).

The solution to this problem is either
(a) using donor display panel from iMac or PowerBook, if it is still in good condition;
(b) finding NOS display panel of the same kind (expensive);
(c) finding replacement panel produced more or less recently by a 3rd party (expensive);
(d) replacing CCFL tubes in original display panel. These can be sourced from far east. (DIY job).

All these also are very labour intensive. Nobody will do it for a tenner. If you have the skills, go for (d). If not, leave it as it is.
 
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Very nice. Other World Computing is a very reputable place to buy though. Still a good price for a retailer. Just thought I'd share it in case somebody didn't want to take more of a chance on a seller on eBay. Thanks for your link!

I am generally in agreement that OWC is a reputable seller of Mac products and long have been. I have bought a few things from them over the years, including the SATA II SSD whose logic controller was designed to auto-switch to SATA I, to make my mid-2004 Power Mac G5 boot from it without freezing (as it would with SATA III SSDs which didn’t gracefully switch down to SATA I).

What undermines their reputation isn’t their reputation for consistency, but rather in the paradox of their absorbing several competitors over the last several years, unchecked, and, bereft of that competition, effects what seasoned Mac folks might best describe as an OWC premium or “convenience” fee — a slouching toward monopolistic practice.

Nowadays, OWC can basically just set-and-forget whatever price they so choose on any and most everything they sell. Aside from commodity products, like branded SSDs sold elsewhere, purchasers face fewer (and sometimes no) reasonable alternatives for shopping around those prices with other vendors when OWC have rendered themselves the only Mac superstore game in town/planet through a steady line of buying competitors without much, if any regulatory oversight.

What OWC do, however unintended, is sway consumers to do better diligence on the homework of their shopping and purchasing decisions (including, yes, learning to discern wheat from chaff and gold from pyrite in open, unregulated markets). That‘s sort of the idea @TheShortTimer is hinting at here: if a consumer does their homework, comparable and ever higher quality offerings at lower prices than what OWC post are very much out there.

tl;dr: regulated competition benefits the consumer, while sucking the air of competition from the room asphyxiates everyone else.
 
There's better to be found on eBay. This one is cheaper and has double the drive size.
It's cheaper because it's bashed to buggery. Those are some pretty severe looking scrapes and scratches. If you don't particularly care about the visuals, then it might be worth a go but, in the US, I think you can possibly do better in that price bracket, anyway.

As someone who bought one recently, I tended to steer clear of the battered ones because to me they indicated one careless owner and the innards can be quite fragile if pushed too far. You are going to replace any original drive as Apple only used slower AHCI ones in the TC, so I ignored the installed drive as a criterion.
 
You are going to replace any original drive as Apple only used slower AHCI ones in the TC, so I ignored the installed drive as a criterion.
If the original blade is an SSUBX (appeared in 2015 — or did all TC‘s get the SSUAX?), it isn’t half bad. The internal blade is limited to about 1500 MB/s. NVMe can’t be beat when it comes to cost-per-GB.
 
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It's cheaper because it's bashed to buggery. Those are some pretty severe looking scrapes and scratches. If you don't particularly care about the visuals, then it might be worth a go but, in the US, I think you can possibly do better in that price bracket, anyway.

Indeed you can. :)

Here's another one - it's even cheaper and in better condition. My main point was that cheaper units are available elsewhere.

As someone who bought one recently, I tended to steer clear of the battered ones because to me they indicated one careless owner and the innards can be quite fragile if pushed too far.

How much did you pay for yours and what's the spec?
 
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Indeed you can. :)

Here's another one - it's even cheaper and in better condition. My main point was that cheaper units are available elsewhere.

How much did you pay for yours and what's the spec?
Same as the battered one with 32GB of RAM. Came with the base 256GB drive but that lasted long enough to test that the TC was working and had the latest firmware. I paid £250, which was an average but far from outstanding price. The only blemish on the surface is that there clearly was an inventory sticker near the power button, which has left a sticker shaped darker area, where the surface hasn't faded over the years but you have to look closely to see it. No dents or scratches otherwise, which every other unit in that price range had at the time. I spent £14 on swapping the 6 core CPU with an eight-core E5-2667 v2.

If the original blade is an SSUBX (appeared in 2015 — or did all TC‘s get the SSUAX?), it isn’t half bad. The internal blade is limited to about 1500 MB/s. NVMe can’t be beat when it comes to cost-per-GB.
Now, mine is a November 2015 unit but I didn't really look at the drive to be honest. I did a drive speed test and the NVME I replaced it with is much faster, so maybe it wasn't the SSUBX. Not sure where I have put the original drive any more otherwise I might just dig it out and fire it up again to see. The drive was covered in plastic with a heatsink stuck to it so you can't tell much by looking at it.
 
The drive was covered in plastic with a heatsink stuck to it so you can't tell much by looking at it.
The sticker with the model number should be on the other side. My SSUBX has a heatsink so maybe it came from a TC, dunno. (I fished it out of the bay.)
 
The sticker with the model number should be on the other side. My SSUBX has a heatsink so maybe it came from a TC, dunno. (I fished it out of the bay.)
A quick scout around in Reddit suggests Apple was using the Samsung SM951 in the TC.
 
Same as the battered one with 32GB of RAM. Came with the base 256GB drive but that lasted long enough to test that the TC was working and had the latest firmware. I paid £250, which was an average but far from outstanding price. The only blemish on the surface is that there clearly was an inventory sticker near the power button, which has left a sticker shaped darker area, where the surface hasn't faded over the years but you have to look closely to see it. No dents or scratches otherwise, which every other unit in that price range had at the time. I spent £14 on swapping the 6 core CPU with an eight-core E5-2667 v2.

Thanks for the lowdown. I was curious because I've not really seen anything below £250 - apart from machines that require replacement parts (GPU etc) that would cost more than just looking for a unit that's fully working. Seems to me like you did ok. :)

In the U.S. they can apparently be found for as cheap as $99 USD if you search hard enough...
 
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Thanks for the lowdown. I was curious because I've not really seen anything below £250 - apart from machines that require replacement parts (GPU etc) that would cost more than just looking for a unit that's fully working. Seems to me like you did ok. :)

In the U.S. they can apparently be found for as cheap as $99 USD if you search hard enough...
You can get a bit lower but that would mean getting a quad core rather than a six core - no biggie if you intend to swap that out anyway - and maybe 12/16GB of RAM or less. The difference between the D300 and D500 in actual use is barely measurable. The issue is that the lower prices tend to come from resellers, who may use a stock photo as per your last link and issue a caveat that yours should be similar in spec and looks but might have more dings and wear and tear. You may get lucky, as some Youtubers have shown, and get better RAM/CPU/SSDs than promised. There are a lot of higher prices, still, especially if the owner has hung on to the original packaging but I can't see anyone rushing to pay £500+ for one of these now.

$99, on the other hand, is a steal. It idles at 43W, so is in cheap server territory. Those six TB ports are starting to look useful.
 
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$99 may even convince me to consider an exception on my personal Intel Mac ban.

Or I would if I didn't already have an Ivy Bridge Xeon box (ameowli.dev) with the same specs (like, almost identically save for the GPU(s) as it's now a headless server it just has a video adapter for the sole purpose of it POSTing).

I don't know about power draw though-- that may still go to the tMP.
 
Because nowadays it's not worth much.
Normally 7400 CPU cards arent worth much but the 500MHz CPU was only sold for about a month. Motorola had big issues delivering enough 7400 chips running stable with 500MHz and thats why Apple set down all G4 Sawtooth models by 50MHz a month after the release of the G4 towers, so the 500MHz cards are pretty rare.

Sometimes I wonder, what goes through some people's minds, when they try to sell their G3 or G4 machines for 300 € or more.
Well, thats exactly what you mean.
 
You can get a bit lower but that would mean getting a quad core rather than a six core - no biggie if you intend to swap that out anyway - and maybe 12/16GB of RAM or less. The difference between the D300 and D500 in actual use is barely measurable. The issue is that the lower prices tend to come from resellers, who may use a stock photo as per your last link and issue a caveat that yours should be similar in spec and looks but might have more dings and wear and tear. You may get lucky, as some Youtubers have shown, and get better RAM/CPU/SSDs than promised. There are a lot of higher prices, still, especially if the owner has hung on to the original packaging but I can't see anyone rushing to pay £500+ for one of these now.

$99, on the other hand, is a steal. It idles at 43W, so is in cheap server territory. Those six TB ports are starting to look useful.
Here's a six core, 32GB, 1TB, D500 for $179.00 The same seller has another auction for a six core, 32GB, 512GB, D500 configuration for $160.00.
 
It's a reseller with several for sale and one solitary photo plus a caveat about scuffs and scratches. The usual thing. $160 is still a great price. We won't see that in Europe for a while yet, if ever.
I posted merely to show systems which have better than minimum specs can be had for less than $250. I completely agree with the part of your post about resellers and generic pics.
 
I posted merely to show systems which have better than minimum specs can be had for less than $250. I completely agree with the part of your post about resellers and generic pics.
No, I got that bit. We do have the same sort of listings here but their prices are rather higher even after accounting for sales tax. Better bargains can be had from private sellers, oddly enough. I'm curious to see how long this offloading will last before "Vintage! Rare!" rears its ugly head and we start seeing the TC in the other eBay thread.
 
Time to add another addition. A bit of an odd one. I picked up another Mac Mini 3,1. Base specs of 2GHz but the RAM was maxed to 8GB, which I wasn't expecting. This was sold for spares/repair and I picked it up for £17 plus postage. The odd thing about it was that it was listed as stuck in Recovery - as per the seller "Apple MacMini from 2009. Worked fine, but sent it to an IT shop to try and overwrite admin login (they didn't manage this), and it's been stuck in recovery mode since. So this is for anyone knowing what to do with this poor old, 'vintage' MacMini. Comes with power cable."

I was curious since as far as I know, Internet Recovery only started with the Mac Mini 4,1 and that needed a firmware update to enable it, so it didn't even ship with that facility. When I got it today, it actually booted to IR. How they got that to work is beyond me. The onboard drive was wiped blank so I made I made an El Capitan installer and tried booting that. It defaulted to IR. I had to select the USB drive in the boot picker and hit the next snag when the intallation stopped with a "This OSX Installer cannot be verified" error. I knew that Apple had stopped signing the older uploads of obsolete OSX releases a few years ago and you needed to download newer ones, however, this was a fresh download. A quick google suggested that the date was probably to blame and the PRAM battery had probably died. A quick trip to the Terminal in the installer and El Cap was on its way.

Still have no idea how Internet Recovery ended up in the Mac Mini's firmware. God knows what that IT shop tried to do.
 
No, I got that bit. We do have the same sort of listings here but their prices are rather higher even after accounting for sales tax. Better bargains can be had from private sellers, oddly enough. I'm curious to see how long this offloading will last before "Vintage! Rare!" rears its ugly head and we start seeing the TC in the other eBay thread.

Here's a candidate for the other thread: almost six thousand, three hundred British pounds with free delivery but an additional charge of £10 GBP if you want to collect it yourself from the seller.

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