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They are both very good for you. With the eggs stick to hard boiled or something that doesn't require frying in large amounts of butter/margarine :D
 
Just curious, but how many people in your family were born and raised in the US? I believe that quite a bit of the cause of lactose intolerance stems from not being exposed to it as a child, then having reactions later in adult life. Given that milk is much more commonly consumed in the US than China (or so I believe), I'd think this could be an explanation for your differing experience.

Well, now that you ask me for exact numbers, there's probably more than 100 people, so I'll give you a percentage instead. There are some in the US, some from Canada, but the majority is in Hong Kong. So I would say it's 15% from North America, the rest are in Hong Kong/China. But I agree with your observation, there is only 1 in North America that is "lactose-intolerant" (which wasn't raised here but has been living here a long time already) and even then, it's barely an issue. But regarding consumption...you seem to be right...but I have no clue what the exact stats are. And for myself, I was born and raised here (Canada).
 
I don't buy some organic food because of alleged inherent beneficial properties.

Many do though which is the sad thing. It's a similar thing with the whole spring and mineral water argument too.

Or tea. I always raise a smile when someone is informing me about how great tea is for you, whilst adding boiling water, milk and stiring in a spoonful of sugar. Tea will no doubt suffer the same scientific-health scare backlash at some point. Deservedly so, anything that stains porcelain has to be pretty chemical. :eek: Weheh.
 
What makes me laugh is all these yoghurt drinks that have come out that come out in these tiny little environmentally unfriendly bottles. Surely just eating normal yoghurt and some fruit would have exactly the same effect, for a fraction of the price.

'Positive bacteria' appears to the be the marketing buzzword these days.
 
Just curious, but how many people in your family were born and raised in the US? I believe that quite a bit of the cause of lactose intolerance stems from not being exposed to it as a child, then having reactions later in adult life. Given that milk is much more commonly consumed in the US than China (or so I believe), I'd think this could be an explanation for your differing experience.

My mum was born and raised in HK, grew up there, and moved to Canada when she was 17 years old. She's not lactose intolerant, and never has been. She doesn't drink milk, really. She may put some in her cereal, but I'm quite sure she switched to soy milk a few years ago. Same goes for the rest of my family, my step-grandmother and her children and grandchildren.

My girlfriend is Japanese and has spent her entire life in Japan (well, minus 2 years of her life), and while she almost never drinks milk in Japan, she's definitely not lactose intolerant. Neither do any of my other dozen or so Japanese friends.

My ex-girlfriend was from Taiwan.......also not lactose intolerant. She never drinks milk, and she rarely has any dairy products whatsoever, but when I've seen her eat/drink some, she was fine. My other friends from Taiwan aren't lactose intolerant, either.

Same goes for my Singaporean friends, Malaysian friends, and friends from China (mostly from Guangzhou, Beijing, and Shanghai).

I live in Australia now, and trust me, I have seen them all eat $0.40 AUD soft ice cream cones. ;)

So much for that "100% of Asians are lactose intolerant" bull****. I don't even believe the 90% stat.

Many do though which is the sad thing. It's a similar thing with the whole spring and mineral water argument too.

Or tea. I always raise a smile when someone is informing me about how great tea is for you, whilst adding boiling water, milk and stiring in a spoonful of sugar. Tea will no doubt suffer the same scientific-health scare backlash at some point. Deservedly so, anything that stains porcelain has to be pretty chemical. :eek: Weheh.

Tea isn't good for you? I only have tea without milk or sugar. Does this matter?
 
Mr Blue I will say this your argument can be argued for many things. Like my Example of Chocolate.

Remember variety is the spic of life. Eat as much variety of foods you can. That includes so called junk foods, and fatty foods.
 
regular and natural milk and eggs are not bad for you. once you add the different hormones that are injected into cows and chickens and humans begin eating those hormones etc as well...then it is bad for you.

-chris
 
MTea isn't good for you? I only have tea without milk or sugar. Does this matter?

The milk and sugar bit is supposed to erase any potential benefits. Same goes for boiling water. Best if you grow it yourself too.

And it's capable of staining porcelain, so just imagine what it's doing to your insides. :eek: ;)
 
I was milk protine intollerent untill I was about 17 and it just seemed to ware off in the same way it did for my sister.


I starting eating cheese but I've never particularly liked milk and I don't drink tea/coffee so I never saw reason to start, honestly it just seems a bit gross, but I just love cheese so I'm kinda hypocritical like that.

Soya milk gives vegans a bad name, rice milk is lovely stuff, if you don't like drinking cows milk give it a go, it's very different but it's not at all yucky like soya milk is.

do I have week bones? maybe. I've broken my toes countless times though I can't see how I wouldn't have done so even if I had extremely strong bones, I used to treat my body like utter crap physically and got allot of physical abuse from others but bar my toes I'm all in one piece and it most definitely did not effect my growth negatively, I'm 6' tall :eek:.

I'm also a vegeterian and my diet is very healthy so that may come into play.

As for eggs I rarely eat them but I have nothing against them particularly, I like blue*cotswold eggs, they're lovely.

as or butter? This makes me giggle; all my faltmates buy crappy spreadable low fat type margerine, and they go through a ton of the stuff and it's plain gross, at the begining of the first term I bought two lumps of jersy salted butter, I've used 3/4 of one of them and it's far far nicer.
 
Eggs & Milk

Every Saturday morning, I fry 3 or 4 eggs in Butter, have 4 sausages, 4 toasts and drink Milk.

Is that bad?

Could I give a care? Hell no. The amount of exercise I do balances things out.

Oh, and it tastes great too.

Full Fat Milk too. Yum Yum.

F
 
Oh you lucky people that can afford to buy organic.

After reading this thread I have a curious desire to go and read the ingredients of the cheese slices in my fridge.

Anyway, I'm very suspicious of this obsession with 'organic'. I think most of its pushed by the farmers and supermarkets that find the organic label as an excuse to put a huge markup on the products and watch the anxious (mostly middle-class) parents shell out top notes for it. Also, what passes for organic can vary greatly.

I can't afford to buy all organic, but at least 30% of what I buy at the grocery store is. Apples supposedly contain more pesticide residue than any other fruit. Only organic apples for me. Everyone thinks organic is always more expensive, that's not the case. There's also the matter of taste. If you like cardboard, then non-organic is for you. If you like to taste your food, then organic makes a world of difference.

Organic isn't only about the food we eat but also about the soil it's grown in, the water we drink, the air we breathe and the slew of critters that are killed off by pesticides.

You can pooh pooh middle class anxiety all you want but poor people are the most adversely affected by pesticides. Whether through the jobs they have, the food they eat, or where they live.


However, milk and eggs, like everything else are fine in moderation. I find the idea of drinking milk is repulsive and just clogs up my sinuses. I do occasionally have milk in my coffee and love cheese, in moderation of course. In the end, I get all the calcium that I need from veggies and vitamin D from being active outside, under the sun.
 
Whoever said that 90% of Asians are lactose-intolerant must've made that up?

Lactose intolerance rates:

Southeast Asians/98%
Asian Americans/90%
Alaskan Eskimo/80%
African Americans Adults/79%
Mexicans from rural communities/73.8%
North American Jews/68.8%
Creek Cypriots/66%
Cretans/56%
Mexican American Males/55%
Indian Adults/50%
African American Children/45%
Indian Children/20%
Caucasians of N. European and Scandinavian decent/5%

The prevalence of primary lactose maldigestion is 3–5% in Scandinavia, 17% in Finland, 5–15% in Great Britain, 15% in Germany, 15–20% in Austria, 17% in northern France, 65% in southern France, 20–70% in Italy, 55% in the Balkans, 70–90% in Africa (exceptions: Bedouins, 25%; Tuareg, 13%; Fulani, 22%), 80% in Central Asia, 90–100% in Eastern Asia, 30% in northern India, 70% in southern India, 15% in North American whites, 80% in North American blacks, 53% in North American Hispanics, and 65–75% in South America

In most human populations, the manufacture of the lactase enzyme is "turned off" by around four years of age. The same is true of other mammals, which become lactose intolerant following weaning.

Human beings only began to cultivate domestic grains and keep domestic animals relatively recently. Sheep and then cattle were first domesticated just over 10 000 years ago, in the Near East where the wild progenitors of these animals lived. Grains like wheat and barley were also domesticated at around this time. All of this took place through selective breeding - and consequent genetic manipulation - with humans in control. The new way of life spread, along with the cattle, sheep and grains, reaching Western Europe a few millennia later.

It was here in Western Europe that some populations began an evolutionary transition to lactose tolerance. This meant that in certain individuals, as a result of genetic change the enzyme allowing the digestion of milk sugar continued to be produced throughout adult life. So these individuals no longer lost their childhood lactose tolerance but carried it into adulthood. This mutation also occurred in the Fulani people in the Sahel, although somewhat later since domesticated cattle reached this area just a couple of millennia ago.

This transition to lactose tolerance seems to have been most 'successful' (in evolutionary terms), in Western Europe. When Western Europeans began to colonize other areas of the world from the 16th century onwards, the lactose tolerance 'gene' travelled along with them, no doubt increasing the frequency of lactose tolerance in contact populations across the colonized world.
 
I guess my family is one of the rare exceptions. My whole family, except me, drinks milk almost daily.
 
For breakfast daily I eat 5 hard boiled egg whites (yes, minus the yellow stuff) and 1/2 a cup of oatmeal.

There are two commonly used values to measure protein quality Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acide Score (PDCAA) and biological value.

The biological value measures the amount of protein the body retains from the absorbed protein, egg protein scores 100 meaning all ingested egg protein is used by the body. The protein in the white of the egg contains all the essential amino acids needed by the body.
 
The milk and sugar bit is supposed to erase any potential benefits. Same goes for boiling water. Best if you grow it yourself too.

And it's capable of staining porcelain, so just imagine what it's doing to your insides. :eek: ;)

I've never seen anyone capable of growing water. How does that work? :p
 
milk and eggs might not be good for everyone. people that are overweight, or have overweight genes, then it's not good for you.

might not be good for people that aren't very active either.

but for basically everyone else, eggs and milk 'does a body good'
 
LOVE milk. LOVE eggs. We buy both from a local producer - not organic, but the cows are BST-free, and both cows and chickens antibiotic-free (unless they are actually sick - what a concept) and hormone-free.

As C. Everett Koop once said, "the best thing you can do regarding cholesterol is pick your parents wisely" (or some phrasing to that effect). I seem to have done a reasonably good job in that regard. :p The only thing I worry about is both my sister and brother have developed a degree of lactose-intolerance, which will be a real bummer if it hits me.
 
Milk = healthy.
Buy organic (especially if you live in the US), and buy 1%-2% fat milk.
There is nothing wrong with drinking milk as long as it's free of hormones, especially if you buy organic.

Eggs: White = extremely healthy.
Yolk = healthy in small doses (1/week), unhealthy in larger doses (3 or more per week).
 
I guess my family is one of the rare exceptions. My whole family, except me, drinks milk almost daily.

Well like I said, it's not a rare exception. I just don't know where they're getting this stat from. As you can see from my list, it's not as though I don't know any asians. I'm Asian, my mum and dad are from Hong Kong, and I have many friends of asian descent, and not just asians who were born and raised in Canada (aka: CBCs). Most of them are born and raised in Asia: Hong Kong (10), Japan (12), China (5), Malaysia(2), Singapore (2), Taiwan (2), and even Korea (1). NONE are lactose intolerant, and if they are, they sure hide it well. :p Many of them don't even have milk in their diets unless they're drinking coffee or eating ice cream (which is rare).

The milk and sugar bit is supposed to erase any potential benefits. Same goes for boiling water. Best if you grow it yourself too.

And it's capable of staining porcelain, so just imagine what it's doing to your insides. :eek: ;)


So boiling water is bad for tea? So if I take a bunch of tea leaves and want to make some tea, what sort of water do I use?
 
So boiling water is bad for tea? So if I take a bunch of tea leaves and want to make some tea, what sort of water do I use?

Cold or warm I suppose. Boiling water is supposed to have detrimental affects on the leaves etc, but I was told this by a hippy in the green field at Glastonbury so make of that what you will. ;)
 
Well like I said, it's not a rare exception. I just don't know where they're getting this stat from. As you can see from my list, it's not as though I don't know any asians. I'm Asian, my mum and dad are from Hong Kong, and I have many friends of asian descent, and not just asians who were born and raised in Canada (aka: CBCs). Most of them are born and raised in Asia: Hong Kong (10), Japan (12), China (5), Malaysia(2), Singapore (2), Taiwan (2), and even Korea (1). NONE are lactose intolerant, and if they are, they sure hide it well. :p Many of them don't even have milk in their diets unless they're drinking coffee or eating ice cream (which is rare).
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Note that none of us Asians really know anyone lactose-intolerant but because there is a study, it must be so. :rolleyes:

I've seen plenty of Japanese eating ice cream. I used to hang out with a group of Filipinos and Malaysians and we'd all get milkshakes. Calpico Soda has non-fat milk in it and so does UCC Milk Coffee and these things wouldn't be on the market still if a majority of people in Japan were lactose intolerant.
 
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